skyjack71

I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE WIFE WHILE YOU WERE OUTSIDE OF THEIR DOOR....DID YOU GO BACK AFTER THAT?

YOUR LITTLE ARTICLE ON LEE WAS DISCUSTING - YOU TALKED ABOUT HIS GROOMING & OTHER NOT VERY NICE THINGS.

DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER INTERVIEW AFTER YOUR IMPROMTUDE INTERVIEW ON THEIR FRONT DOOR? I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH TINA'S SISTER - YOU WERE NOT INVITED IN AT THAT TIME.

DID YOU GO BACK? WHERE YOU INVITED BACK?

GUYS I HAVE TO GO SOAK MY HAND IT IS THROBBING. BYE! I DIDN'T EXPECT TO HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF.

IT IS RIGHT HERE IN THIS THREAD.
I CALLED THEM AS YOU STATED IN THIS THREAD YOU WERE ON YOUR WAY THERE. THEY WERE PROBABLY AWARE OF YOUR INTRUSIVE VISIT WITH TINA!

IF YOU HAD A PRIOR IN PERSON CONVERSATION WITH LEE - I AM UNAWARE OF THAT...WAS THAT PRIOR CONVERSATION BY PHONE?

I CALLED YOU FOR CLARIFICATION OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. YOUR NUMBER HAS NOW BEEN PERMANENTLY BLACK OUT IN MY BOOK.

WHY GET SO UPSET? THIS WAS DISCUSSED IN THE THREAD & YOUR INTERVIEW WAS STATED IN THIS THREAD ALONG WITH YOUR DEROGATORY DESCRIPTION OF LEE.

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW....IF THE THREAD CAN PROVE I MADE AN ERROR IN THE SUPPOSED INTERVIEW YOU PUBLICIZE IN YOUR MOUNTAIN NEWS & ON THIS THREAD - then I will apologize, but nothing makes the posting with the F word acceptable.

You left me a message & I tried to call you back after I made the first call to see if what you said - REALLY HAPPENED. If it did then why wait till now to make it public?

If ALL of what you say can be validated by the thread history - then I apologize.

I do not do thread searches.

IF you were expected - then why did his wife ask me to stay on the line & then thank me for the warning. Obviously the supposed 1st interview you claimed never happened....which is what you have just explained to the thread with your last post...

If they had company - was your 1st visit also not BY invitation...how ethical is that?

No wonder you burn your bridges.

ALL IN CAPS - I AM NOT SHOUTING.
JUST THE BEST I CAN DO AT THIS MOMENT.

WHEN I SPEAK OF THE VECTOR I MEAN WITHIN THE VECTOR NOT OUTSIDE OF IT.THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW TO PLACE THE PLANE OUTSIDE OF THE VECTOR WAS JERRY THOMAS...[.

THE THINGS DUANE SHOWED ME & TOLD ME ABOUT WERE WITHIN THE VECTOR. NOTE I DID NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A VECTOR WAS.

ANOTHER THING JUST GOT MY ATTENTION & WHY I AM POSTING THRU
PAIN.

I DID NOT KNOW NOR WAS IT NEVER KNOWN TO ME THAT THE DYNAMITE (SUPPOSEDLY) & THE BATTERY WERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BRIEFCASE.

THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT.
WHY WAS HE "BOMB" ON THE LEFT?

BECAUSE COOPER WAS LEFT HANDED.

DUANE WEBER WAS LEFT HANDED.

THE TOWER AT THE AIR PARK &THE POWER LINES AND THE LOCATION OF 2 OF THE DAMS WERE WITHIN THE VECTOR.

THE VOR WAS IN THE VECTOR.
THE 2 JUMP SITES DUANE SPOKE OF
WERE ALSO IN THE VECTOR.

PUT A LOCATOR OF SOME KIND NEAR THE POWER LINES OR ANY HIGH POINT THERE & THEN AT AIRPARK - YOU HAVE 2 POINTS WITHIN WHICH TO JUMP.

THE DAMS WERE ALSO GOOD LOCATIONS FOR SIGNALS.

THE MAN DUANE KNEW MADE SUCH A LOCATOR FOR WHICH OTHERSTOOK CREDIT FOR - LATER USED ON AUTOS & OTHER THINGS BY THE GOVERNMENT.

THIS MAN WAS WORKING ONE OF THE DAM TOWERS AT THE TIME OF THE SKYJACKING & WAS SUSPENDED FOR
A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE OF A SUPPOSED GLICH IN THE SYSTEM - WHICH MEANS HE MAY HAVE LEFT HIS STATION OR CREATED THE GLICH HIMSELF.

DUANE WAS VERY AWARE OF A JUMP AREA - JUST BELOW THE COLUMBIA ALSO WITHIN THIS VECTOR BUT WAS NOT A TARGET.

DUANE KNEW EVERY AIR STRIP IN THE
AREA AND EVERY TOWER.

I STILL MAINTAIN DUANE WAS COOPER OR HE KNEW WHO WAS.

THE ONLY TIME COOPER REMOVED HIS GLASSES WAS WHEN HE MADE SURE THAT FLORENCE GOT HIS MESSAGE ACROSS....SHE WAS THE ONE WHO DESCRIBED THE EYES SO INTENSLY.

THE GLASSES HID PARTS OF COOPER'S FACE & THE RIMS WERE THICK & THE
BRIDGE WAS THICK.

THE REFERENCE OF HIS COMPLEXION BEING LATIN - DOES DESCRIBE WEBER'S COMPLEXION DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF THE YR. AFTER LOTS OF SUN IT BECAME VERY DARK - BUT HIS NORMAL COMPLEXION HAD A GOLDEN PATINA & WHEN HE HAD LOTS OF SUN IT BECAME ASHY. NOVEMBER IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A NEUTRAL TONE BETWEEN SUMMER AND WINTER AND TRIPS TO FL WHERE HE HAD A HISTOR & RELATIVES.

HIS BROTHER HAD THE SAME KIND OF COMPLEXION....BUT A LITTLE LIGHTER.

THE MAN WHO WAS SUSPENDED AT THE TOWER LIVED JUST NORTH OF THE CORNERS TAVERN.

THE VOR WAS JUST JUST EAST OF THAT
LOCATION.

THE POWER LINES PARALLED THE EXPRESS WAY.

THINK MORE ABOUT THE BOMB BEING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BRIEF CASE.

I WAS UNAWARE OF THIS UNTIL A LITTLE WHILE AGO...TOOK ME 18 YRS TO GET THIS....DUMB BROAD SYNDROME.

have to soak hand first

Why do I refer to you as having old INQUIRER TACTICS. Unannouced and uninvited! You did not have an appointment with them nor were they expecting you....

When you lie about something or misrepresent something that can be proven with this thread then everything you say becomes suspect.

When I shoot off my mouth it comes back to haunt me - only because I played with the theories like everyone else. I have made mistakes in sequence of events, but as long as I have been at this it is hard to keep up with why one says one thing one time and something else the next time...My mistakes are usually in the sequence of things.

THERE is no mistake regarding your visit to see Tina's sister and her husband.

BruceSmith

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"...Gosh..this Cooper case is a labyrinth and I aint a Cooper royalty..."

Don't worry 1K, I'll keep ya focused and informed.

Trust me...

- Prince Bruce

More like FOCUSED on your misrepresentations - such as the night you intruded unannouced on the door of Tina's brother in-law and her sister.

That interview was as obtuse as you interview with Tina. Also unannounced.

Prove I spoke with them the night before.
Prove that I was not on the line the night you intruded into their privacy.

BruceSmith

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"...You stated that Lee thought Weber was Cooper - WHY? I spoke to Lee only one time and that was long before I posted to this thread....When you appeared at their door - I only spoke to his wife. She had me hold on until Lee came back inside.

His remark to her "She's right" this was referencing you. We quickly said goodbye after she thanked me...."

When I was speaking to Lee Dormuth the first time, he mentioned that you had called the night before. He wasn't sure I knew who you were when he mentioned your name, so he simply said, "She was married to him."

"You mean DB Cooper," I asked.

"Yeah," he replied.

That's it.

Your memory is tainted!
I called when you had already arrived at their door - NOT THE NIGHT BEFORE!

Remember she had me hold on while she tried to hear what was being said. Lee came in after and few brief moments and said "She was right!" She thanked me & we ended the conversation.

I had called to warn them you were one your way - but, you had already arrived.

This is all in this thread...and now you are claiming I called the night before.

Gimme a Break!

CAN you honestly prove you spoke with Lee the night before....you just showed up on their door....and you were there when I called to warn them - READ back in this thread! Why do you think you were not invited in?

If he was expecting you why would you have wrote such terrible things about him. You can't take it back because it is all on this thread.

If he was expecting you - he would have invited you in - DUH!

Jo is the only one provided the with and without glasses by the FBI. They are high definition but, now the color is fading.

I have actual blown up copies that were made early on after I got them...in 1998. I can mail one to you Bruce, but will provide this to NO one else.

The one without Glasses is the best one and if you blow that up and one of Weber - you got a dead match - except for the nose.

The wide brimmed glasses is why the nose appears small. Cooper lowered his glasses or removed them only that one time as far as I know. That was to let Florence know he meant business & for her to READ the note.

Duane L. Weber was Dan Cooper!

I will be unable to mail a copy for several days. My computer is corrupted and all of the photos are showing the wrong colors and not the original state. I messed this up myself - but can't fix it.

You stated that Lee thought Weber was Cooper - WHY? I spoke to Lee only one time and that was long before I posted to this thread....When you appeared at their door - I only spoke to his wife. She had me hold on until Lee came back inside.

His remark to her "She's right" this was referencing you. We quickly said goodbye after she thanked me.

Time to step aside. The posting have gotten ridiculous. To think you Robt99 thought I was difficult. WELL, you got your hands full with this bunch.

377 & Airtwardo are still the only logic in the last several pages. I am not going to tutor those who have never read the history of Cooper, the books & news articles.

I have a lot on my table right now so I won't have time to even view the postings.

I expect by the time I can do so - this thing will be WAY out there. Too much fiction is being created about the FACTS of the case - the FACTS have been lost in the hype - but, the history is still there if anyone wants to read a few books & old media reports.

When JO gets fed up with the stories other shave made up - then maybe it is time to let go.

Robt I have my differences with you but, I am sure you will attest to the fact that NOW newbies & others are swallowing anything they are told...nothing being stated of recent even resembles the facts of the case.

Over the yrs I have spoke with key individuals in the investigation of the crime & all but one of the crew members. I understand why NONE of the want to be engaged by interviewers who have little or no knowledge of the crime.

Blevins & other have created a collage of things that do not even resemble the facts.

One can disagree with me, but most of what I know comes from the crew, Duane & the media sources at the time of the crime to include all of the book written.

Time to just let these guys hang themselves with all of this.

Please do not respond to me Robt 99 because this if the first time I have been completely discombottled as to how so many individuals can read & create false facts....Blevins has distorted the truths of the case too much.

The coin dynamite - well that just did the thread in. So many of us have spent yrs on this, but along comes a writer into this only to promote a book of fiction..

All that is left are newbies & the fiction writers who have destroyed the history of Cooper and the facts.

Blevins is out in left field and the thread is how he promotes his book and ridiculous ideas. I does not take a genius to figure how how he as used this thread and everyone in it..

I suggest the NEWBIES go back & read the entire thread....as for me I am tired & Robt 99 you need not make a reply - I won't be here to read it.

Just fed up even trying to keep the facts of the case clear to others - the thread has become a medium source for fiction writers & those too lazy to do the research....nor another avenue to advertise their wares.

Good night ~ . I HAVE a long hard road ahead of me - and I am 'ascarded' using Duane's word. We never know what tomorrow will bring.

Send your prayers & not the venom that is usually set aside for me by you..

I have spoke with every member of the crew with the exception of Florence & I would love more than anything to hear from her, but I understand her position.

What I am told - is different than what has been stated by others in the last few few yrs and I have recorded all that I was told - in the part of my body they call my memory.

Perhaps those memories will be all that I have & time is robbing me of some of those.

Good Night.
It is time and I am so afraid of what the future holds for me. So much is happening so fast - it is overwhelming.

Know this - I have told NO LIES. I am only guilty of getting caught up in the hypotheticals. Rob,. I know what saw in 1979 and in 2001 - so you cannot erase that memory. Why you would even want to do so is a puzzle.

RobertMBlevins

EDIT: On a more personal note, I am frankly tired of investigating Christiansen. I gave the Seattle FBI the tools to at least do a cursory check, maybe compare Lyle's DNA profile to the partials, maybe talk to a few people. If they don't pick up on it there's nothing I can do and our investigation into Christiansen is CLOSED.

Yes Blevins you need to stop NOW!
The FBI doesn't have to lift one finger & they are not going to do so regarding KC.

You have been recreating your story since you came to the DZ...and it continues to evolve to the point it is ridiculous such as the plastic tape bombs.......

I do not usually come down on you, but it is time for you to think! Not one time have you asked any family member to search through old photos of family get-to-gethers and talk about the history of their families...Those who know are NOT talking to you. Bernie Geestman and his exwife.

If they are not deceased they are in a nursing home...or living with a family member! Margie is in CA or maybe she is in FLA. Geestman - are you sure he is still alive and a viable person? You humilitated these seniors who now feel they have to spend the rest of their lives behind closed doors. Duane did know Geestman and Margie - that is the hook that got me. The names of the people I had been looking for - but, I knew about these individuals from 101 & I had met Margie in Pensacola, Fl. at The Peddlar Shoppe around 1993. It was before he moved the shop to Davis Hwy.

The man she was here with may not have been Mr. Geestman...but Duane asked about Kenny and she was waiting for the other person to arrive.

This other person who had drove down in a pick-up and she flew down to meet in Pensacola. The man who she was meeting had a family member living in the area.

YOU NEVER provide a picture of Margie for that time frame and you never asked if she had a suit that color and if she was in FL around that time....the woman you are getting all your information from used to know the answers to all of my question...

Did Margie still have a relationship with Geestman in 1993 or did she have a boyfriend.

smokin99

Okay I'm being a little facetious but this is just one more example of how logic can get all twisted around when folks start speculating on the life and time of DB Cooper.

Just dropping by.... hope everyone is doing well...

Dropping by with not only logic but facts. Anyone remember how the stewardess described the "dynamite" ?

How was the color described?

I know the answer, but does Blevins & others who have let time & stories twist facts.

I am sitting here in pain with a smirk on my face. RED!? Really!?

IN 1971, what colors did tape come in around the early 70's era?????

DEFINITELY not in the color the stewardess described - very, very specifically.

Blevins crossed the line on this one & so did his "witnesses". Any agent with an ounce of knowledge would not waste their time inteviewing that woman...and if Blevin swallowed it - he has a really BIG problem.

Blevins this is the best example ever presented of how your story continues to evolve....IF this person actually believes her story - & your knowledge of the case is that poor - perhaps you need to rethink your book.

Either you are leading the pack or they are leading you around like a puppy with a leash that will soon be offered up for slaughter.

Just your telling this story is absurd. When you figure this out - then your next post will be that she is retracting her story & thinks perhaps she was mistaken...

Every jumper out there & those who have researched the 1971 skyjacking know exactly what I am getting at...

Blevins if you are swallowing this stuff you are being fed - then you are one sick sick puppy. But then I believe you are manipulating these statements about your witnesses. Your story just keeps EVOLVING!

Do you think the truths are so buried
that the readers will never know what is fact & what is fiction. You believe that with repetition you can convince the public & the FBI that your subject is Cooper!

Anyone who knows anything about his case is having a real belly laugh about your dynamite story!

Blevins - Check in at the REALITY HOTEL!

I wasn't going to say one word until Smoking99 dropped by - now I just have to DO IT!

How did Tina describe the bomb? Her description is very important.....Perhaps she has viewed various items from 1971 that where available & asked to point out the closest item. Why would the FBI do this after the fact.
Well, think - WHO sold it to Cooper?

In order to track down the source the FBI needed to know what they were looking for. Do you think the FBI just went around asking if anyone bought dynamite? The FBI while in flight did ask her to describe the color - but, the FBI could not be certain it was NOT dynamite until Tina could point out similar items at a later date.

Nah! Jo is just making this up. Yea! I am sure that is what some of you newbies think!

Read Read Read go back to BASICS.

That sure does not look like the last old 727 I took to Atlanta in 2007 - the galley was in the very back on the left side....I guess they were indiviually set up for the airlines buying them or modifications made at a later dates. I was told I was on a 727, doesn't mean I was ACTUALLY on a 727.

Duane & I were definitely on two 727's - previously - One between 1978 and 1979 because we were going to a wedding in Atlanta. This was the trip he mentioned the flaps & the air speeds & tried to explain what they did to the plane. He knew every sound the plane made and told me what it was.

The other one was in the 80's as we were going to St. Croix... We flew out of Florida & back in a 727, but do not remember where we changed planes to broad the puddle jumper to St. Croix.

Please ROBT 99 you will even try to make something out of this. Just go back to when my mind was clear...I discussed all of this in detail with the thread. NOW I have forgotten many things & this is happening rapidly recently - each time I go under or experience trama - I loose a little more of myself.

Sorry but this has me crying & getting upset...I am can no longer remember the details of that trip....I can't go until the truths are known.

YOU Robt99 - LEAVE me alone. I hope someone drives you to a stroke...the way you do me.

My eyes are quivering lately & my chest hurts - like my heart is quivering, but no one pays any attention....the symptoms are gone by the time I get to the Dr.s office.

That in story sounded like it came out of a book written by a kid... comical & unbelievable with no connection to reality.

This part of Blevins story was the most absurd senario presented. Ha Ha Ha by D.B.Cooper should have included that in thei book.

Sorry Blevins, but the girl who told you that story - is taking you for a ride. Seemingly deliberately!

That story caused critical damage to the credibility of the rest of the story. Sounds like they are laughing behind your back and /or just trying to make an idiot out of you....

They succeeded! So sorry.

I get ripped apart for repeating 1st hand information. I try not to fabricate anything..

Regarding the seating arrangement on the plane - that Robt99 slammed me with - I actually have never thought about it. Because Duane was left handed I assumed left side of the plane..I can't downpictures of diagrams & I did not find one in a book.

The Galley was on the left side and behind that was a door on some of the 727's along with a door just behind the cabin.
Then there was the aft stairs - that is a lot of holes for one airplane.

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You have previously claimed that Duane woke up one night screaming "I left my fingerprints on the rear stairs.", or some such thing. The "rear stairs" being those on the 727.

So how do you explain the discrepancies in your stories?

As usual you do not read back at the accountings nor have you even seen the FBI reports:

Duane actually said AFTSTAIRS - remember the story I told how he explained away AFT STAIRS?

You do not know the story because you probably never read it!

I only go by what I see in the pictures in the books...I do not have a diagram of the seating arrangements. None of the books I have show the seating arrangement.

Since Duane was left handed I would assume he sat on the left side the plane so he could keep his hand on the brief case which would be by a window. Tina sat beside him in the Isle seat.

When I think about what I would I have done...I am right handed, but I would want to leave my dominate hand for other activities..

So smarty pants on fire - do you know which side of the plane Cooper sat on?
It never occurred to me to even look for a picture & I did NOT find one in the books I have.

I know some diagrams have been presented on the computer, but I can usually not see them. Very old computer & old woman technology.

Remember I could not see the pictures on Sluggo's site - and still have not viewed the photo's he put there.

I hope I sufficiently answered your obtuse picking no Jo questions!

thousandthings

***In 1971 - Weber had gray hair, but a little temporary dye & you have Cooper. I used the temporary stuff myself - and it made your hair GLOSS and took out the kinka....my own hair was very much like Duane's. Why some thought we were father & daughter ( Duane was 17 yrs older than myself).

Get real!

Maam wasn't he eliminated basis DNA? Irrespective of how many years later was the DNA comparison done...isn't it conclusive in itself?

SIR THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH DNA TO EXCLUDE OR INCLUED ANYONE. THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH DNA TO EXCLUED WEBER.

OTHERS HAVE MADE IT SOUND LIKE THE FBI PRESENTED SUCH REGARDING WEBER BUT I WAS TOLD THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH DNA TO EXCLUDE OR INCLUDE ANYONE.

THERE ARE THOSE WITH MOTIVE THAT MIGHT LIKE TO LEAD YOU IN THAT DIRECTION - BUT THE FBI HAS NEVER PROVIDED ME WITH SUCH A LETTER NOR HAVE TNEY EVER MADE SUCH A STATEMENT UNLESS YOU CAN CONSIDER THE IFFY OUT RIGHT LIES TOLD BY A AGENT WHEN HE CAME TO THE THREAD.

ONE THAT QUICKLY ERACICATED HIM FROM THIS THREAD.

HE FINALLY WENT ON - BECAUSE HE COULD NOT EVEN PRESENT THE RECORDS OF WEBER NOR COULD HE SUPPORT HIS CLAIM - HE KNEW I HAD THE MISSING LINKS,,,,BUT HE GAVE IT A GOOD TRY.

- SOME SMART COOKTHAT AGENT USED THE JEFFERSON FILE TO EXCLUDE WEBER BUT WITHOUT SHOWING THE MUG SHOT SOME SMART COOKIE GOT IT FOR ME - AND THEN EVERYTHING FLIPPED...BUT THE FBI WAS GONE BY THEM.

KNOW WHY HE COULDN'T FIND THE JEFFERSON FILE ON WEBER....BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER COLLINS - NOW WEBER.

THE AGENT CLAIMED TO HAVE THE FILE BUR DIDN'T HAVE THE PHOTO.

NOW WE KNOW WHY HE REFUSED TO POST THE PICTURE.

HAD IF NOT HAVE BEEN FOR A POSTER ON THIS THREAD SEVERAL YRS LATER - I WOULD NEVER HAVE SEEN THAT JEFFERSON PIC

HIS MISTAKE WAS NOT STICKING WITH fACTS & HE TRIED TO CHANGE FACTS......&THINGS.

JUST BEFORE HE LEFT I FOUND A FILE ON WEBER IN WA - WITH HIS WIFE,STEPSON AND HIMSELF BEING STOPPED NORTH OF SEATTLE NEAR THE STATE LINE - AT A TIME HE WAS SUPPOSED TO NOT BE ANYWHERE ACCORDING TO THE RECORDS THE FBI FOUND.

THEN I FOUND A SHORT RECORD NEAR SPOKANA DATED 1940'S THE ONLY WAY I WILL FIND THAT ONE IS TO GO TO THE FILES MYSELF....THEY SAID MOST OF THEM HAD BEEN DESTORIED....

SHORTLY BEFORE THE CRIME WAS COMMITED - 1969 - HIS NAME , HIS WIFE'S NAME AND HER SON'S NAME ALL PULLED OVER AND GIVEN A WARNING.

Dental glue and dental wax can make a whole lot of things go away and support so many thing.

The DNA (check with the FBI) was insuffienct to rule anyone in or out.
ALL THEY GO WAS A PARTICIAL DNA.

NOT ENOUGH TO BE CONCLUSIVE ABOUT ANY SUSPECT - FOR WHATEVER HE COATED HIS FINGERS WITH - DESTROYED OR CAMOUFLAGED HIS PRINTS. I THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF THIS...COOPER ALSO WIPED DOWN EVERYTHING HE TOUCHED
LITTLE KNOW FACT!

DO U KNOW WHAT KIND OF KNIFE COOPER HAD....A LONG SLENDER SWITCHY LIGHT - I HAVE IT - BUT DO YOU THINK THE FBI HAS EVER BEEN INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT IT.

DO YOU KNOW IF COOPER WAS LEFT HANDED OR RIGHT HANDED....BY THE WAY HE HANDLED THE EQUIPMENT HE
NEEDED TO RETREAT FORM THE LANE?

A LITTLE SOMETHING ELSE THEY HID.
WHY DID COOPER SIT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLANE - EASY ANSWER.

Take this 1966 prison photo. Lift the head a little, make his hair longer then add sideburns.....my avatar shows his side view with his head down 1966 - he was missing some lower teeth & was 4 yrs older when the crime was commited. Take a hint by looking back at other photos of Weber & note the glasses he wore. Always large rimmed & camoflage of his nose & ears...

In 1971 - Weber had gray hair, but a little temporary dye & you have Cooper. I used the temporary stuff myself - and it made your hair GLOSS and took out the kinka....my own hair was very much like Duane's. Why some thought we were father & daughter ( Duane was 17 yrs older than myself).

Note WEBER's complexion!
My complexion was olive but Weber's was much darker. Cooper's complexion was originally described in the media as LATIN because the individual had not seen that color complex before. No way can one describe olive as latin.

Why did the FBI ignore what the stewardess told them about the complexion?

This one guy who was seemingly jealous of the attention Cooper was getting.....did he not note the difference in the coloring of Tina & this man he was supposedly jealous of?

NO way could he have note noted that she was fair to olive and that Cooper was MUCH DARKER - like he had a tan with a golden patina.

Do the imaging & guess what you get!
Cooper?

Get real!

GEOFFREY GREY LIED A LOT IN HIS BOOK.

YOUR'S TRULY JO WEBER HAS TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS GEOFFREY SUPPOSEDLY INTERVIEWED & THEY CLAIM THEY DID NOT SAY THE THINGS GEOFFREY CLAIMED....THEY HAD NOT READ HIS BOOK!

THERE WAS NO RUSSETT SWEATER!

TINA DID SEE COOPER'S SHOES - SHE WAS SITTING RIGHT BESIDE HIM & YOU COULD SEE HIS SOCKS FROM THE POSITION ONE WITNESS WAS SITTING IN. HE COULDN'T TELL IF IT WAS SOCKS OR LONG JOHNS HANGING DOWN.

WHY WOULD ONE WITNESS BE JEALOUS OF COOPER - HE COULD HAVE BEEN HER UNCLE OR A FRIEND OF THE FAMILY.

NO ONE HAS EVER MENTIONED IF COOPER CROSSED HIS LEGS AT SOME POINT...........................DUH!

IF GRAY HAD ACCESS TO EXTENSIVE FILES - I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED!
WHY? I HAVE SPOKE TO SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS - AND THEY DENY THEY EVER MADE SUCH STATEMENTS AS CLAIMED BY GREY...........

WHY DO BOOK WRITERS HAVE TO ENGARNISH THE TRUTH???????????

NOT ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON THEIR SITE IS TRUE....

YOU GUYS ARE GETTING SUCKED INTO THE VORTEX.

THE FBI DID NOT PICK UP ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAVE BELONGED TO WEBER UNTIL MARCH OF 2003 & IT WAS LATE 2007 BEFORE THEY DID ANY TESTING AT ALL.

I HAVE THE RECEIPTS & THE ITEMS & EACH PIECE IS MARKED & DATED ALONG WITH A PAPER THE FBI AGENT ACCIDENTALLY LEFT IN THE BOX. HE CALLED ME & WAS AFRAID HE WOULD GET IN TROUBLE ABOUT IT...HE WAS A NEWBIE.

THEN HE CALLS BACK & SAID HE DIDN'T NEED IT! FRANTIC & THEN IT IS OK? ODD DO YOU NOT THINK?

HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE LEFT THE LETTER & RESULT SHEET WITH THE DNA....IT GAVE DATES OF EACH TESTING....

THE FBI DID NOT EVEN ASK FOR DNA UNTIL 2003!

THEN THEY DID NOT TEST IT FOR OVER 4 YRS. SOME OF IT WAS NOT TESTED UNTIL EARLY 2008 - I AM RECALLING THIS FROM MEMORY, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT STUFF IS IN A VAULT.

IN 2000 I HAD MET MY NEW HUSBAND AND IN 2001 I HAD SOLD MY HOME AND MOVED IN TO HIS HOUSE.....I GOT RID OF ALMOST EVERYTHING - WHAT I KEPT HAD BEEN IN A HOT FLORIDA ATTIC FOR 4 YRS WHEN THEY ASKED FOR DNA.

THE THINGS I KEPT I DID NOT EVEN KNOW IF HE EVER TOUCHED & A BOYFRIEND HAD USED THE RAZOR & SO HAD I. I CLEANED IT BEFORE I PUT IT AWAY.

I AM A CLEAN ALHOLIC! THE ITEMS I GAVE HIM HIS LAST CHRISTMAS HE NEVER TOUCHED ( JUST SENTIMENTAL OF OUR LAST CHRISTMAS). THE TOOLS I WAS NOT SURE HE TOUCHED - A MAN HAD BOUGHT MOST OF THE TOOLS BUT ONE ITEM WAS VERY OLD - IT LOOKED LIKE ONE HE HAD USED, BUT I WAS NOT SURE IT WAS THE SAME ONE & THAT WAS OUT WITH MY THEN CURRENT HUSBANDS TOOLS.

THE ONLY THING I KNOW I HAVE THAT MIGHT HAVE WEBER'S DNA WAS THE OLD BRIDGE HE HAD REPLACED...BUT I DID NOT LET THE FBI HAVE THAT OR OTHER TREASURED ITEMS...THEY HAD ALL BEEN CLEANED. I TOLD THEM WHEN THEY PICKED THE STUFF UP THAT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD DNA ON THEM OR NOT.

SOME ITEMS WOULD HAVE HAD MY NEW HUSBAND'S DNA AS HE HAD USED THE LATHE....BUT WAS UNCERTAIN DUANE HAD.

A HAIR THAT WAS INSIDE OF A SUIT - GAVE AWAY WAS TRIED ON BY ANOTHER MAN...THE HAIR LOOKED TO LONG AND STRAIGHT TO BE DUANE'S...I INFORMED THE FBI OF THIS.

AFTER ALL DUANE HAD BEEN DEAD FOR OVER 15 MONTHS WHEN I REALIZED WHAT HE HAD TRIED TO TELL ME. NINE YRS HAD GONE BY SINCE HIS DEATH WHEN THE FBI ASKED FOR DNA.

I COULD NOT VOUCH FOR ANY OF IT HAVING DUANE'S DNA. I HAVE 2 WATCHES HE WORE BUT NO WAY WAS I GOING TO LET THEM HAVE EITHER WATCH...IT WAS MANY YRS LATER THEY RETURNED THE DNA STUFF.

THE WATCHES WOULD NEVER HAVE COME HOME...I HAVE OFFERED TO TAKE THE WATCHES IN TO BE SQUABBED - AS THEY HAVE EXPANSION BANDS...THE FBI SEEMINLY IS NOT INTERESTED...MAYBE I SHOULD GET SOMEONE ELSE TO SWAB THEM & SEND THE SWABS TO THE FBI.


WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT SWAB DOES NOT MATCH THE OTHER STUFF? THANKS FOR REMINDING ME - MAYBE I SHOULD DEMAND THEY SWAB THE ITEMS.

IF ANYONE KNOWS AN INVESTIGATIVE AGENCY WILLING TO SWAB THEM & ABSORD THE EXPENSE - I WILL TAKE THEM TO THEM.

THEN THE FBI COULD COMPARE THE SUPPOSED DNA OF WEBER TO WHAT THEY THINK IS COOPER'S PARTICIAL DNA. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH DNA TO MAKE A POSITIVE ID...ONLY ENOUGHT TO NARROW THE FIELD.

THE TIE WAS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND FOR 4 DAYS & BACK THEN WE KNEW LITTLE ABOUT DNA.

SO ANYONE KNOW SOMEONE WITH ENOUGH SPARE CASH LAYING AROUND TO GET THOSE WATCHES SWABBED?

Marketing and nonsense posting.

If I survive all I have to endure for the next 3 months then I will go to WA.

In the mean time - you guys can put up with the ridiculous postings of Bruce & his 'problem'. SICK SICK SICK! I for one do not want to STICK around because of his nasty & disgusting postings. His hidden enudenos I have had enough of.

He is NOT allowed to post like that on the OTHER site...so why is he ALLOWED to behave that way in this thread?

Blevins you destroyed any credibility you might have had with the coin story...about time you had an awakening. Did you even consider the weight of the coins - and the fact if one wanted to make a dummy explosive - it would have been much easier to have wrapped a round dowel with a wrapping similar to a stick of dynamite.

EVEN if they told you that story - did it ever occur to you that someone is taking you for a ride & another thought crossed my mind....do those people actually read all of the stuff you write about them in this thread? Does their community & neighbors know about all of this? Aren't they the lease bit embarrassed by stories such as the coin dynamite?

I have a lot on my plate right now & responding to some of the ridiculous postings of recent is a complete waste of my valuable time.

LAST post to Bruce:

You are not even posting to the other thread!

You are an obstentious bore who has no respect for others. Most of the time your remarks are those of someone with a serious problem such as addiction or mental problem.

I have tried to be nice...but this is the last post to ever be directed at you. Go do what ever it is you do - turn people off.

Frankly it sounds as of recent you are doing drugs or tipping one too many. You only engage others to antagonize or agitate...

NO more - if there was a way to just ignore you that is what I would do so I do not have to see your vulgar and pretensive posting.

In 1979 what was available to pick-up Radio range stations....THINK!

There was a Radio Range Station just S. E. of Meadow Glade and one directly north in Vancouver....there are wave lenghts between these stations....doesn't take much to pick them up.

Then look at all of the small airstrips in the area - packed with them...and don't tell me air to ground was not possible in 1971 - it WAS! There are 2 airports Evergreen and Scholls - both with equipment....and to complete the triangle you have the little industrial air strip in Vancouver along the river and near the old bridge. If you pull to the East you have another triangular point with Port of Camas.

Everyone of the things Duane pointed out to me....why? What is their significance....triangulation. WHY do I harp on this - you guys need to figure it out...Cooper was able to communicate with the ground even if it was only beeps or /some type code --- beeps not verbage. Beeps or perhaps magnetic movement - I know nothing about this sort of thing...I just know he was communicating with the ground. Cooper was not alone.

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"...When I (Jo) spoke to the co-pilot several yrs ago...there was NO MISTAKE in what the Co-pilot said...."

Okay, Jo, I believe you. But how can you be so certain that Bill Rataczak was telling you the truth? We all know that you NEVER lie, but other people do.

They also get their facts mixed-up.

Any thoughts on why Rataczak told you something different than what he told me? Or Himms?

Duh!

I don't know what he told you or Mr H.
but the stats are what stands. Even if they are off by one minute they still support what I was told. YOU have been known to get information wrong - so what did he tell you that is different than what he told me...?

Spell it out with the minutes & the course of the plane which can be proven by ATC.

I thought it ODD that ATC mentioned they were busy with something else at this crucial time.

I guess it was - they had planes coming in so the ATC claimed - but, I would have thought ALL flights would have been diverted - to keep them from encountering a skyjacked plane!????

A LOT of this sounds FISHY!

So what did the Co-Pilot tell you....NONE of your elaborations or miss quotes for what you believe - actual factual notes. I cannot believe that the Co-pilot spoke to you for very long if at all...and it is well known that Mr. Himmelsbach was NOT receptive to you at all.

Touche!

Remember you do not usually report things the way they are told to you - you have to put drama into the act and you twist things to suit your own needs.
Sometimes the truth is all you need!

Cooper does not need Drama or WRITERS it needs FACTS & TRUTHS & ACCOUNTABILITY. What I know of your writings has not been accurate.

Therefore PROVE you can actually make an interview actually get it historically correct without your added spooky & snarking rude stuff!

Apologize to Tina - a nice forgiveness card might be appropriate - short sweet and simple - apologize for the intrusion & tell her you are DEEPLY Sorry for disrupting her life! Explain your overtly & over the top action - do all of it in less than 30 words.

Do not just apologize - ask for her forgiveness for your intrusion and rudeness and try to erase all of the distastefully thing you have said about her and worte about her...do something in your life that is RIGHT, because tomorrow makes no promises.

At 20:10 the plane is approaching LaCenter and just as it passes La Center at 20:12 it makes a slight deviation to the East. That was done to accommodate Cooper off of the plane. Wind was the factor.

Between the points of 20:12 and 20:16....Cooper was gone! Those four minutes encompasses accessibility to Heisson, Battleground and Orchards.

Factor in the winds and the bump of air pressure and you decide where Cooper jumped.

Does anyone KNOW the TIME of the pressure bump? That plane wanted to fly over the Portand airport & since Cooper was gone they went West crossing the river WEST of the PDX...but NOT as far as Tina's bar. They crossed the river EAST of the bridge. At the 20:15 locaton the pilot turns sharply to the West...wonder why. If Cooper was not gone the pilot was going to make sure he was gone.

If Cooper was on the end of the aft way at the 20:15 location he would have been forced off at that time.

So you are dealing with 3 minutes. When did the plane feel the Swoosh...the air pressure. That is when Cooper exited.

Come on 377 - you know the answer to this one.

All of this silly speculation and arguing is senseless...the flight path is correct.

Was Cooper waiting for a BEEP or a signal? Maybe. I just know he jumped between 20:12 and 20:15 Coop was gone. It is possible he jumped at 2010 and there were witness report regarding that area.

YET, the Cooper Sleuthes have beat the hell out of the actual statistics and try to make them wrong or alter them.

One minute one way or the other did make a difference. I always thought the points were off by one minute.

What does one minute do?

The most improtant thing is it makes the VOR just to the West of Battleground a SOLID target and where Cooper probably picked up a signal to JUMP! There was a private air strip just north of the VOR.

Seems like that other place has some misplaced information.

When I (Jo) spoke to the co-pilot several yrs ago...there was NO MISTAKE in what the Co-pilot said.

I do not understand why these GEEKS do not pick of the phone & CALL the co-pilot himself. I understand his health is failing - but these Cooper Geeks have had yr in which to question him about the discussion he and I had yrs ago....yet, they would rather create myths than to have questioned the co-pilot when I first mentioned my conversation with him.

When I spoke to the co-pilot all those yrs ago...evidently Cooper was agitated just shortly before he jumped. This was after the aft door was opened & the stairway down....

At that time - an adjustment was made to accommodate the demands of Cooper. The co-pilot could see the haze of Vancouver (he did not say Portland) to his RIGHT. The co-pilot sits on the right side of the plane....it was right after that they felt the aft do its thing with the air pressure....they WANTED Cooper off of that plane....the plane had made a movement to accomodate Cooper because of the winds. Find that point on the map and then figure out where Cooper landed.

I have an overlay of the flight path that can be moved around on an actual map, but unable to retrieve it at this time....buried where I cannot dig with only my left hand...as the right on is incapacitated to moving things just my 4 fingers....I have to FORGET I have a thumb.

I took clear plastic & put the flight path on it as per Sluggo. Making it as close to the size of the map as an amature could. You guys with all of the technology should be able to recreate this in detail...just move the fight path up and down and side way over a map that is approximate in detail...you geeks might find a few surprises when you do things the old fashion way - which is all I had at my disposal.

Cooper put that money on the beach in 1979 after he retrieved part of the money from its hiding place earlier that same wk. The location the money had been kept in - is what caused the damage, and I do not believe ALL of the money was as damaged as what was found. Weber made more than one deposit in 1979.

One (1) off of the bridge coming over from OR to the WA side after a little side trip. Another directly across from the (2) PDX at either Topper Dr., Lieser Pt., or Image Ln. and (3) another at Tina's bar and then (4) the sack he threw in the river from the pilings behind the Red Lion....(for those of you who do not know where that is - it is just West of the old bridge going over to Portland on the Vancouver side).

At Tina's bar - Duane reflected on an old friend who used to live in a community across the river & beyond the marsh. He did this when I was stretching and at the parking lot under the big trees that was just East and North of the 'house' that others claim was not there.....in 1979.

So if I was not at Tina's bar where was I? Duane told me about the mail box and it having been a place the BOY's used to go. So it was used as a recreation place for group who went there more than one time.

Now does it make sense why DUANE was ascared when the money was found? Using Duane's word just for the hell of it!

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Maam, if I am not wrong, Mucklow did not sit with Cooper on way to Reno and the conditional flying guidelines were given only for that leg...in which case what you stated above is contradictory.
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Excuse me - Mucklow spent the most time with Cooper and sat with him when the others had been sent forward and when the plane took off from Seattle. She remained seated with Cooper until he ordered her to go forward to the cabin.

I do not know how soon Cooper made his demand that she go to the cabin...but Tina was there long enough to observe what he was doing and how he was attaching the money and his cutting cords to attach the package.

I am talking about Cooper's demands and his action on the plane...Cooper was not on the plane after he jumped. In fact no one was in the cabin...the entire crew was in the cockpit.

Tina was the last one to go forward. She did not do this until Cooper ordered her to do so...that was NOT immediately after they took off. When she left she could see him cutting cord with a knife (she has even described the knife). She was lingering before going to the cabin & observing as she had been instructed.

The scar was somewhere in the FBI reports or in Tosaw's or Himmelsbach's book. IT is a FACT!

The scar was discuss in this thread - but I do not do search backs due to limited use of my hand....at this time.