Wow, you call that inappropriate , but yet you post the following: Very few of those that jump Lodi know how wrong things are and most that have been taught there have no ability to asses the risk since the safety culture is so flawed. As I understand you used to jump at Lodi before you were replaced as cameraman due to a bad attitude. Have you forgot how many Lodi jumpers are world record holders and how many jumpers have world championships? As you are a S&TA, are you openly challenging the S&TA at Lodi as to there training programs? If you are, you are so wrong and inappropriate!! BTW, what the hell does this have to do with landing in the grape vines? Or is this just another opportunity to hi-jack a thread to spread your "beliefs" and attack a DZ that replaced you? WB Shut up and jump!!! Talk is cheap!