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On 8/31/2021 at 1:11 PM, ryoder said:

Hey! they have enough C-208's to start a few dropzones

If the jump tickets were cheap enough they would get plenty of jumpers. Wouldn't be the first time skydivers cozied up with terrible oppressive regimes. You know, because "fuck you, I am going to get mine".

Probably way less beer at the bonfire, but way more child brides. 

4 minutes ago, Bigfalls said:

Bleach also showed effectiveness in similar contrived lab testing. Go figure, bleach in the petri dish destroy virus particles.

But toilet bowl cleaner is such a pretty blue color

If you pick the right brand it is also minty fresh.

11 minutes ago, murps2000 said:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/brazilian-viper-venom-may-become-tool-fight-against-coronavirus-study-shows-2021-08-31/
 

Now this is a remedy I’d like to see gain popularity with the antivax crowd. I bet air fare prices to Brazil have already jumped.

"We're wary about people going out to hunt the jararacussu around Brazil, thinking they're going to save the world ... That's not it!" said Giuseppe Puorto, a herpetologist running the Butantan Institute's biological collection in Sao Paulo. "It's not the venom itself that will cure the coronavirus."

Something tells me that this will be missed by many. Wishing good hunting... to the snakes.

Just now, olofscience said:

This was observed with a drug concentration 100 times higher than normal peak concentrations.

Animals have survived higher dosages, but at that level I don't think side effects will be very minor anymore.

No argument. Bleach also showed effectiveness in similar contrived lab testing. Go figure, bleach in the petri dish destroy virus particles.

If doctors are prescribing ivermectin more than the recommended human dosage then they should lose their medical licenses for malpractice.

People that are obtaining non prescription ivermectin and are overdosing are idiots. They get what they get, and I don't really care who gave them the idea or supported it, they chose to follow that advise instead of more qualified medical advice like get your vaccination, and don't take horse de-wormer. Fuck 'em. I grow increasingly less sympathetic and increasingly more resentful of these people day by day.

35 minutes ago, jakee said:

The unfathomable fucktard Joe Rogan ha done the same thing, and since he just happens to have a milder case, is now spouting off like he cured himself with Ivermectin et al. So look forward to seeing his legions of followers at a farm store near you.

I like Joe Rogan from an entertainment standpoint, he has a talent for conversing with people. But it amazes me how many people find him to be intelligent and well informed on all types of issues. 

I can't recall where I heard this quote, but it hit the nail on the head... Joe Rogan is the real life representation of what an idiot believes an intelligent person is like.

RE Ivermectin, from what I have read it is safe with minimal or no side-effects at the acceptable human dose. It just so happens that it hasn't shown any efficacy at treating COVID at those dosages. The only evidence was in vitro, in a petri dish. So if they are taking acceptable doses it shouldn't harm, but it also won't help.

If they are taking livestock dosages all I can say is play stupid games win stupid prizes. Have fun shitting out the lining of your intestines'. 

On 8/27/2021 at 11:59 AM, SkyDekker said:

Illegal for marketplace insurance. Is it illegal for private insurance?

He didn't realize that Delta and most major corporations self insure for their health plans, I wouldn't hold your breath on his legal analysis. 

On 8/26/2021 at 9:51 PM, Westerly said:

Actually it is specifically illegal. There are only three factors that can legally be used to decide your premium: location, age and smoking status. Not even gender can legally be used to determine premiums. This was one of the largest changes imposed by the ACA when Obama signed it. The original premise was to prevent women from being charged more just because they were women (e.g. increased costs for childbirth) and charging people more because they were sick. So the ACA specifically coded what factors insurance companies could use to adjust rates and adjustments by any other factors were outlawed. So no, in fact, you cannot be charged more because you're a higher risk, unless it's by age, location or smoking status. It's literally a federal offence to adjust premiums based on other factors. That's why when you go on the ACA's website to get a quote for an individual plan, the only questions they ask you are your zip code, age and smoking status. Nothing else is asked.

Oh cool! Now you know more about health insurance law than the entire legal department at Delta Airlines. This is my shocked face.  Go google wellness incentive programs. It may not be the most clear cut area of health insurance, but is far from "specifically illegal".

I am anti-insurrection, but I would totally be down with the representatives fighting *each other* in a MLB styled bench clearing brawl. 

On 8/24/2021 at 3:22 AM, Westerly said:

At least there is one positive to Covid--it's pretty good at finding stupid people and exploiting their stupidity. 

Kind of like the last year of cumulative forum posts on the subject from certain posters.

You reap what you sow. The citizens of California have enabled this asinine process.

Does anyone know what the approximate cost is to the state and municipalities to administer these recall elections?

1 minute ago, Westerly said:

Same as how cities are actually doing it: providing the card is required to shop at any business. Just like showing an ID for a credit card purchase, no CDC card no purchase. Yea it can be faked. Most people wont go to that length though. Not everyone who is unvaccinated is a hardcore anti vaxxer. Some just dont care enough either way, but if pressured they would get it. Three people I work with dont have the vaccination and when I asked them about it they just dont think it's important and they are not worried about Covid. That's why they dont have it, not because they are strictly against vaccinations. 

Why should we have a Federal power grab when your private (I assume) employer in the health care space won't make their own mandate? 

Health insurance companies should lean on employers, and employers should lean on employees.

Mandate for your employees or your group insurance rates quadruple. Get the vaccine or your stupid ass gets fired. 

100% pro-vaccination but we have given enough power to the Federal government recently, and it isn't very effective at using the powers it already has.

On 8/14/2021 at 9:53 AM, RonD1120 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5OgP_LmZc

This video is a little dated but, it appears that South Africa is in dire straights. Are there any citizens here on SC that can shed updated accurate information?

Why do you care? Does one of your doomsday prophesies speak of future unrest in South Africa as one of the harbingers of the end of days?

I found it interesting that our resident prepper and isolationist would be looking for updates on current events in South Africa.

1 hour ago, metalslug said:

Then maybe you shouldn't be posting in this thread. The world is a little larger than just 'merica.

FWIW; I'm no longer an SA citizen, but my remaining contacts there report the situation is mostly under control again, but will take a fair while to repair and recover the damages.

The world is larger than America, but one has to wonder why this is a topic of interest for Ron.

7 hours ago, Westerly said:

Covid vaccination status should be a question on a health insurance application. Like smoking, no covid vaccination? No problem, we'll just apply a standard 2.2 multiplier to your rate.

I will be very surprised if this doesn't become the norm. I think some health insurance companies have already started working this in to the premium calculations, and they should.

They should also factor in obesity and being sedentary, but I won't hold my breath. 

10 hours ago, metalslug said:

In an innocuous mistake and, yes, Trump has done worse, but this wasn't merely 'misread' twice; The leader of the free world doesn't seem to be aware of the population of his own country. For what it's worth; I'm not entirely anti-Dem; I have huge respect for both Clinton and Obama, but this man's health status is becoming more obvious

Maybe, maybe not.

Trump also repeatedly demonstrated potentially impaired mental capacity, in addition to sever character flaws, and a possible amphetamine habit. 

The difference to me is that Trump surrounded himself with yes men that doubled down on his frequent errors and miscalculations. Retractions by his staff were frequently walked back, his staff were skewered for trying to correct his errors, because his actions and initial comments were never wrong.

17 hours ago, gowlerk said:

That's the chiropractic practice building model.

Sorry I should have said MD's. I wasn't trying to lump quack Chiropractors in there when I said Doctors.

4 hours ago, olofscience said:

  On 7/30/2021 at 9:11 AM, billeisele said:

Wonder why the MDs aren't promoting healthy habits and immune boosting? Yeah, not much money in that. 

4 hours ago, olofscience said:

On the contrary, there's a LOT of money in that - the global health and wellness food market was valued at 707.12 billion U.S. dollars in 2016 and is projected to increase to 811.82 billion U.S. dollars by 2021.

Seriously, stop demonising doctors and nurses as being money-chasing sociopaths. You're sitting behind your computer posting about the pandemic, while doctors and nurses who battle to keep covid patients alive and losing - and even dying - and you dare to imply that they only care about money. Do you only care about money?

Exactly.

Doctor's have been telling people to eat better, lose weight, and exercise. Do you really think individual Doctor's don't want healthy patients? 

The population at large doesn't care, and is often willfully ignorant. 

The medical community overall is focused around treatment and not prevention, and Doctor's aren't well trained in nutrition, but this is a systemic issue, not some grand conspiracy to keep people sick so individual MD's can get more pennies on the dollar after they get the insurance haircut. 

It isn't the fault of individual doctors that the USA is filled with pre-diabetic fatties that can't moderate their fast food intake.

You can't get a large percentage of these people to take the easy button, with the vaccine, and yet you think these Mc' dumbasses are just sitting there thirsting for nutritional and medical advise that will require discipline and hard work, as if they would be healthy if only these Black Hat doctor's weren't keeping that information suppressed. 

What a joke.

On 7/30/2021 at 10:32 PM, Westerly said:

Yet I am still the only actual medical professional in this thread. I spend 50 hours a week in a hospital. How often are you there? Anyone who argues 'some rando PCP said this, so it must be true' clearly hasent spent much time around doctors.

(Moderator warning - Westerly has demonstrated that he is not a reliable source of information on COVID-19 and the issues surrounding it.)

I just spit my coffee out.  Good one DZ mods.

Rest assured all of us would go to the hospital cafeteria lady that chain smokes for medical advise before we relied on any of the drivel he posts.

On 8/1/2021 at 10:14 AM, wolfriverjoe said:

Flu deaths were quite low. Pediatric deaths have run 150-200 for the past few years.

My son was about four months old at the start of the pandemic. He hasn't been sick yet. That is all due to a greatly reduced risk of exposure. He didn't go to stores or restaurants we may have taken him to if it wasn't for the pandemic, and my wife and I had a lower risk of exposure ourselves, which is probably how most flu and cold transmission happens with infants... parent to child.

15 hours ago, billeisele said:

Had an enlightening conversation with a retired public health doctor. He said that almost everyone that died in 2020 was classified as a COVID death if they had, or were suspected to have had, COVID. All the old people that had cancer, heart disease, or anything else that old people die from were classified as COVID deaths. There were virtually no flu deaths or deaths from those common causes in 2020. He said, "all those people were going to die anyway, they weren't killed by COVID." The death stats are inflated at least 30% maybe 60-70%. If you take that into consideration then the risk of dying from COVID is actually less than a tenth of a percent.

It doesn't sound very enlightening to me. It sounds like you found a crack pot to talk to who had at one point earned a medical degree, but is now riding full steam ahead on the bullshit train. It only takes a minute of actual research to evaluate and dispute the claims that this guy made, but you already knew that.

You have to wonder how his tenure would have turned out if it wasn't for 9/11. I thought he had a goal of streamlining the military before those events unfolded.

On 6/21/2021 at 8:06 AM, jakee said:

Well, he has a point. IIRC every other house on that block that didn't have armed nutters standing outside was in fact completely destroyed..... right?

Completely torched. And they managed to break down an unlocked antique wrought iron gate (which was probably just a piece of shit and in disrepair prior to the protest).

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53891184

2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

If the pandemic more or less goes away, or just becomes very low level what you say is what will happen. The issue will just fade away. If new variants cause waves of infection among the unvaccinated, or especially if it turns out that boosters are needed it will be another thing altogether. The only time it really matters to corporations will be if the lack of a mandate causes cautious people to stay away. That is what is behind the cruise industry thinking. They worry that without a mandate they will lose business. 

I agree with all of what you said.

I flew recently, while fully vaccinated, for work. Mask use in the airports and on the planes was and is still mandated but actual compliance was lack luster. From what I witnessed the airport personnel and flight attendant teams aren't doing much about it other than reminding people of that mandate in their boarding announcements and safety briefing before take-off. 

Maybe it varies by airline and team, but it looks like we are at the point where many people/companies/etc. are just going through the motions to check the box on their own legal or employer requirements. 

We don't need to have a national system, and we probably won't get one due to political bullshit and government ineptitude. The drug companies should figure something out instead, they got us this far already.

I assume that they are receiving demographics, or at the very least they are tracking the distribution of vaccine batches and vials.

I filled out a form with each shot, that information went somewhere.

Setup a system on their website where you can enter your date of vaccinations from your card, the location, and the vial/batch numbers. They validate that information, and they issue you a digital validation of some sort.

Wala! A vaccination passport without needing to deal with the fucktard politicians.

That being said I don't expect it to have any real relevance for US residents outside of international travel. The US travel and entertainment industry doesn't really care if people are vaccinated or not, their primary concern is about butts in seats, and trying to return to business as normal to the greatest extent possible.

Here we are with restrictions being lifted on both state and federal levels, so I wouldn't expect any of these large private companies to institute their own vaccination mandates, that would be in conflict with their goal of butts in seats.

2 hours ago, Cocowheats said:

The fact that you guys can't seem to comprehend why a reasonable person may decide to wait out the vaccines for awhile shows much of your own true colors, just as you folks thinking my posts show mine.

What do you define a reasonable person as? 

That is our sticking point.

I don't deny that some people have apprehensions and fears about the vaccine. I don't think that the majority of those people have taken the responsible next step of evaluating their feelings, and challenging them with the information that is available. 

A reasonable person makes their decisions through a logical framework, they don't base them on feelings alone.

On 5/27/2021 at 5:03 PM, wmw999 said:

MA percentages 

D 32
R 10

Other 1

Unenrolled 57

That 1 is me.