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  1. On 8/26/2020 at 6:48 PM, wolfriverjoe said:

    In a perfect world, maybe.

    But the problem is that if/when someone gets hurt, the lawyers cast as big of a net as they can. 

    There's no way any manufacturer can shield themselves from that liability. 


    Yes, but does that reality really vary between a 17 year old jumper and a 30 year old jumper? 17 year old jumper goes in and the parents/estate will sue everyone if they get the right (wrong) lawyer gets in their ear. Same outcome is just as likely with our 30 year old.

    I see the argument on a tandem jump, for example where the Sigma specific waiver is shielding UPT, would be deemed invalid for a underage jumper. There is much more of a relationship between UPT and a tandem student. UPT makes the rigs, but they also train instructors, and they have a whole system that continues to interact with their equipment, the equipment owners, and their instructors following the sale of a tandem system.

    That is not the case with non-tandem sport parachutes. Aerodyne doesn't have evaluators to certify instructors that are taking students on AFF jumps using their student rigs. There isn't a continued relationship there after the sale to the rig owner. 

    Excluding tandem jumps I don't think that the DZ waiver, regardless of its legality, offers any protection for the manufacturers.

    Think of all of the other risk activities where equipment manufacturers have products that are used by minors. Climbing, skiing, driving. None of them are lobbying to have all use of their products restricted until the age of majority.

  2. 12 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

    I usually agree with most of what you have to say, but...

    Huh? We're not that big of an industry, and wrongful death lawsuits can result in huge judgements, on top of what it costs to defend and appeal them.


    I think they did, and what they came up with was an age-of-majority age limit.

    Who is not that big of an industry? Sport skydiving (to include instructors, fun jumpers, DZO's and clubs), or skydiving equipment manufacturing. They are interrelated but they aren't one in the same.

    Who put their heads together? The manufacturers or the USPA board. The impression I got at the time was that the board put the age limit in place at the direct request of the manufacturers. That isn't who the USPA is supposed to represent. 

    I will admit that it is a silly detail for me to be hung up on because in general I don't think minors skydiving is a great idea. I personally wouldn't take a minor on a tandem even if I was allowed by UPT or Strong unless it was my child or an extremely close personal family friend. It just isn't worth the personal liability unless there are major legal changes or a state law that would provide legality to the waivers. I just think that should be a DZO and an instructor choice.


  3. 20 hours ago, wmw999 said:

    This is a marker thread for some hard opening discussion from Incidents. They deserve a thread of their own, because it's an important topic.

    I recently bought a used Hornet because of its ease of packing; however, after using it for a day, I've probably retired it as opening too hard. It already has a giant slider, and I did psycho-pack it on the last try. However, I figure the chance of hurting myself trying to get it to open well is just not worth it.  BTW, what I consider to be a good opening is firmer than a lot of people like, so I'm not looking for a 1000-foot snivel or anything. Frankly, I just wanted something really easy to pack. I have a comparably-sized Stiletto...

    So -- thoughts? And I'd like this to be a thread for people to talk about hard

    I used to roll the outer nose cells on my hornet, and stuff them into the center cells. It still opened hard.;P Other than that characteristic I really did like that canopy.

  4. There shouldn't have been an age restriction in the first place. That was a handout to the manufacturers, and I don't recall ever paying dues to the United States Parachute Manufacturers Association. They already have PIA.

    Maybe I am recalling the explanation incorrectly, but I don't buy the argument that the entire equipment industry was one lawsuit away from disaster, and that we had to protect them to protect our interests as skydivers.

    If they wanted to limit their liability from minors from using their equipment then they should have put their heads together and gotten their lawyers involved.

  5. The more I noodle this idea the more I hate it. Sorry, you get points for initial creativity, but they all get taken away for not being creative enough to envision all the problem. Please don't play around with this idea, it is a problem in search of a fatality, not a solution.

    If you use the system like a tandem drogue where it is deployed out the door then no one will be able to skydive with you if you intend on creating a drogue fall speed that will have any meaningful impact on max opening forces. Even at 60mph freefall speed you can still potentially have a hard opening with high g's.

    Why bother with the freefall at all, or the complexity at that point, just do short delays on hop and pops and high pulls.

    If instead you use it to slow down at the bottom end of a jump you have basically created a high speed malfunction, and PCIT, which will then need a second deployment action. So you pitch the drogue, you wait for a decrease in speed, then you pull a drogue release. All at the bottom end of a jump.

  6. 6 hours ago, headoverheels said:

    When I had term insurance (quite a while ago now), it was through a professional group, IEEE (electrical and electronic engineers).  Their policies had no exclusions including acts of war, except suicide within the first two years of coverage.   Perhaps there is a professional accountant organization you can join, which has similar insurance plans.

    I calculated that just the odds of a skydiving fatality gave me a positive expected value.  I was in my early 30's, so term insurance was quite cheap.

    Great idea. There are similar professional associations for accountants, the main one is the AICPA. You may be right, they may have a similar lack of exclusions not unlike employer group policies. Thanks!

    8 hours ago, TriGirl said:

    Sorry, my policies were all Whole Life, not Term.  I thought I did pretty well with the premiums, though they were higher than Term policies I've heard of.  On the other hand, they didn't charge me extra for extreme sports (but they did as a 'smoker' because I admitted to enjoying a cigar every year for the Marine Corps birthday)

    The nice thing about my WL policies was that, because they are long-term, they built up equity.  I recently converted all four policies into a "reduced, paid up" status -- meaning I never have to pay the premiums again, and the combined payout to my beneficiaries is worth $96k based on what I contributed over the years already.  The combined value of the four policies while I was paying premiums was $250,000, with premiums of about $260-ish/month (as I recall -- it was part of a lump sum I paid to my combined retirement account that went to pay mutual fund contributions as well as insurance premiums).

    In case you want to check them out, the company is Liberty National.  YMMV.

    Thanks TriGirl.that is an option for sure. Whole life policy premiums are normally significantly higher but you do build equity like you said, there can be tax advantages too. I think I would be looking at 4k to 6k in premiums a year for a 500k death benefit for a male in my age range. I wish I had taken one out in my early twenties when I first started working and I had some financial advisors pitching them, but at the time the premiums seemed even bigger to me relative to what I was earning right out of school.

  7. 4 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

    You have outdone yourself this time. Congrats.

    I honestly don't know why the owners of the site allow him to continue to drag down the forums in general with his drivel. It is unhelpful trolling, drunken rambling about how terrible tandems are because he has social problems and was a shit employee, etc. Much of the useful posting is long gone and we are left with monkeys that spend their time flinging shit.

  8. I was seeing if anyone had any recent policies written so I could narrow down which companies are willing the underwrite the high risk surcharge.

    Go climb back under your bridge, you are equally useful under there. 

  9. 1 hour ago, Westerly said:

    You only need to add skydiving to the policy if you want coverage in a skydiving accident. If you're fine with no coverage for skydiving but coverage for everything else, there is no need to add it to the policy. Considering the likeness of death while skydiving relative to the additional cost, basic math and statistics would show it's not in your favor to add the coverage.

    No shit huh? Why do you think I would be asking about life insurance that COVERS a skydiving accident on a Skydiving website if that wasn't exactly what I wanted to do. I have a CPA license, I think I have a rudimentary understanding of how math and statistics and insurance all works. 

    Consistently helpful though. Big thumbs up.

    It doesn't matter if the odds are low. I want to protect my wife and kids if Joe Fuckstick hooks a 180 in to me in the pattern. Or if I end up with a really awesome set of tension knots on a tandem reserve. Etc etc.

    The low odds won't pay off the mortgage or living expenses if I am on the wrong end of the percentages.

  10. There have been some old old posts on this but current data is everything with insurance. I am going to throw this out to FB but I am hoping this query will get some action on here too.

    Does anyone currently have term life insurance policy that was written to include high risk activity (skydiving for fun, skydiving for hire).

    Looking to find out what Companies are writing policies, and what the high risk premium surcharge is running.

    I haven't been jumping at all this season because I have a newborn and COVID. But I want to get back up in the air, but I want to make sure my wife and son are covered. I do have a moderate group policy from my employer that doesn't specifically list skydiving or flying as an excluded activity, but I would like my own policy that was written to specifically cover the activity, even if it is spendy. Additionally, if I lose employment I don't want to lose all life insurance coverage for jumping so I have the option to sling drogues to make ends meet while I find new work.

    I thought the USPA partnered with an insurance company for something similar, but I was struggling with their links.

  11. You are going to create many additional problems on your quest to solve the hard opening problem.

    Many others have mentioned this, but the malfunction decision tree is much more complicated for a tandem system because of the addition of the drogue. Additionally the drogue on a tandem is intended to be deployed early at the start of a tandem jump. On a tandem this keeps the pair from hitting tandem terminal, and also provides response time if there is an issue with the drogue deployment so the instructor can respond.

    Your system will be deployed much closer to the hard deck, and would allow almost no time to respond to a drogue related issue. Drogue in tow at the bottom end of the skydive, you are screwed. Drogue entanglement at the bottom end of the skydive, you are screwed. I could continue but you get the point.


  12. If you don't get motion sickness in other parts of your life then there is a good chance that this will be limited to tandem jumps only for you. Also likely that this could have been a one time thing.

    Tandems are more likely to induce nausea and motion sickness. Your body is overloaded with adrenaline. There is often movement under canopy that you are not initiating. Additionally tandem harnesses can limit blood flow to your lower extremities due to to a combination of fitment and body type. 

    We include tandem jumps in our AFF progression, and I have students that experience nausea that never shows up again once they are on their solo jumps. 

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  13. 9 hours ago, Westerly said:

    I tell it like it is. The fact that you're disappointed that you're not in fact a total rock star filled with nothing but exemplary talent because you're a TI is irrelevant. The facts are as they are. All things considered, tandem jumps are not complicated compared to even your everyday average 4-way belly, FF, CRW or WS jump.

    You are so full of shit that I am surprised that it doesn't come flowing out your ears. It is definitely coming out of your fingers.

    Tandems instructors don't need to be Skygods and many aren't because they get stuck hucking drogues all day, but they are complicated jumps due to the equipment and the unpredictable cargo strapped on the front, and TI's need be consistent and reliable.

    You claim you have a tandem rating, so you should be familiar enough with some of the tandem fatality reports. Things can go really bad on tandems when procedures aren't followed. All of those fatalities prove the point that they aren't just another jump.

    Your average 4-way belly doesn't normally lead to a drogue entanglement if someone fucks ups. The jumpers on your average FF jump don't have a malfunction decision tree nearly as long or as complicated. 

    I am trying to figure out your angle on all these asinine posts about tandems. I think I am settling on the fact that you were a shitty instructor, which is ironic considering how "simple" you make it out to be. 


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  14. I thought there was a manual for the hornet with all of the line trims at the back, but it is 10 years since I owned one. I'll check but im sure someone has one.

    I think MEL used to do linesets for them, haven't kept track.

  15. 30 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

    Boobs for brains?

    My wife recently gave birth to our first child in January. She is breastfeeding, and I have been amazed and the innate intelligence in that whole biological system. In other words I am sure boobs everywhere would be insulted by this comparison. xD The boobs are way smarter than that.

  16. 24 minutes ago, ryoder said:

    Maybe if we talk to Derek's mother, we can get him kicked out of her basement.

    Unfortunately there is free wifi everywhere, and even cheap flip phones have web browsers.

    That thread should have been deleted a decade ago, it constantly attracted weirdos to this site with no legit connection to the sport. Like fly paper for crack pots.

    Can't imagine in generates any useful ad-clicks that someone would be willing to pay for.

  17. 17 hours ago, Westerly said:

    the best way to catch tandems is not all. those guys are looser.s seriousaly, go fun jumping instead. why would you want to hang around those clowns?

    Spoken like a true bridge troll. At most dropzones fun jumpers help catch or shag tandems because the instructors are their friends and are fellow jumpers. The tandems keep the big plain flying and two ply in the porta-poties. Have a little respect.:D

    To answer the OP when you are catching alone grab one toggle and run with it until the brake line is pulled until it is fully collapsed. It is very frustrating to have some one run out, grab a toggle and then run pull it while I yell and them to go and run all while getting pulled backwards!

    Also try to anticipate being along side the tandem so the instructor doesn't have to worry about a collision course.

  18. "On all other tandem container systems, the main container closing and the drogue attachment are two separate systems, at two different locations. While not unreasonably dangerous, such container systems have inherent problems. They are complex and time consuming to pack, and this complexity sets up the possibility of multiple packing errors. But by far the most important problem is, that these systems allow the possibility of the main container accidentally opening, while the drogue is still attached. Since 1989, this scenario has killed 9 tandem pairs. It is the leading single cause of tandem fatalities, accounting for almost one third of the total. By combining the container closing and drogue attachment systems, the new Tandem Sigma eliminates this deadly malfunction."


    Do they no longer discuss the main deployment system in the sigma manual? I am being honest, the answers are in there.

    What do we call it when the main container opens before the rogue is released? An .................   .................. deployment. Fill in the blanks.

  19. Those are all in there, go back to the book grasshopper. ;P You should understand this stuff.

    I will throw you one bone. The answer for 96 is right in the explanation the design of the sigma main deployment system.

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  20. This was an interesting post that I dug up, from back in 2006. Beezy Shaw shared some information that he was told, also mentioned that it may have been pollution.


    Further scrolling in that thread led me to find a post that I made, so maybe I heard it there from Beezy?



  21. My understanding, I think someone at Aerodyne told me this, was that part of the reason production ceased on the gelvenor fabric was that it manufacturing was more environmentally unfriendly. That could be bullshit?

    Maybe 10 year back Aerodyne found some left over rolls of the fabric at the South Africa factory. At the time I was in contact with people involved with the company and they called me up. I had only mentioned the fabric about 1000x because I had an old hornet in addition to being an Aerodyne fanboy.

    They made me a custom Mamba 104 out of the fabric, one of a kind I guess. 

  22. I have been jumping since 2006, and I got my TI rating back in 2012. All that time I had a full-time salaried job in Public accounting, so I literally worked 7 days a week for most of the year, with no down time unless you count sitting around on a weather day.

    That was 7 day weeks during busy season while the staff was on their 5 month off-season going on cool trips or going down south. A mix of great days at the DZ when I wasn't at the office when the weather and students were awesome, but also days spent wasting my time with bad weather. During the summer Saturday and Sunday could be longer "work" days than my full-time job.

    At first what kept me going in the beginning was that I was one of only a small group of instructors. There was three of us on the weekend, and as a result there was zero flexibility, but I could expect to get 30 jumps on a weekend if the weather was good. I got to be a legend in my own mind, and walk home with a bunch of bonus money.

    Then later on I kept things going because the DZ was purchased by new owners that are awesome people who respected my time. I didn't drive out days with bad weather forecasts unless I just wanted to hang out. I love working for them, and the flexibility has made it work.

    This January my Son was born, and then COVID hit. I still haven't been out to the DZ because work has been nuts, and for now I let my ratings lapse, but I think this year will be another time where my involvement changes. Wanting to have some time for my son is probably the best way to motivate change after so many years.

    I think you need to respect your time. If the DZ isn't respecting your time you need to evaluate whether you can make change in that area, or if you need to beat feet.

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