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ha, i thought the Mods here never sleep!

we also need to get some big slabs of concrete and install them in the graveyards in Chicago so the dead vote doesn't make an appearance this election cycle.

Your profession is showing. Just like British Petroleum professes to have cleaned up, eh. I don't buy their propoganda. Perhaps other peoples' biases incline them to do so. Yup -- and they did it for the same reasons as BP. Another energy giant getting big fat and lazy, cutting corners and assuming all is well in this part of the world and that one to maximize its profits that much more...and then look what happens. Now they're "performing heroics" cleaning up a mess that could have easily been prevented in the first place. How many more spills and cleanups shouldn't we forget? so, after the government declared gulf seafood as eatable did you drive down to the gulf and buy a basket of shrimp or other fishy products?

Your profession is showing. Just like British Petroleum professes to have cleaned up, eh. I don't buy their propoganda. Perhaps other peoples' biases incline them to do so. Yup -- and they did it for the same reasons as BP. Another energy giant getting big fat and lazy, cutting corners and assuming all is well in this part of the world and that one to maximize its profits that much more...and then look what happens. Now they're "performing heroics" cleaning up a mess that could have easily been prevented in the first place. How many more spills and cleanups shouldn't we forget? actually sir, i beg to differ. if the "anointed one" accepted help from the world's oil spill experts and did not rely on his lacky the coasty (and then retired coasty) and dumped all of those dispersants on the gulf things would have turned out better. maybe those poor shrimps would still have eyes in their heads. you know one thing, the US has been there every time the shit hit the fan. we along with many other nations gave france back to them TWICE. and the one time the world wants to help out in our own back yard the "anointed one" refuses help at the detriment of our environment.

and no democrat has their constituents in their best interest either. the blue dogs are an endangered species. funny how evil harry knew what land to trade for when homeland security decided to divert traffic off "hoover dam." "certain" other people beat their chests and proclaim they are rich after being raised up by the"village" and that others should open their wallets, but they themselves pay the lowest tax rate. advice either side, walk the walk. my position is perfectly clear, if you deviate from the drilling prognosis and go off the reservation alone without the appropriate deviations, hang 'em high. when i was an artillery officer, we bet our bars on every shot the gun line sent down range. if someone died (in training by our negligence of rounds impacting where they shouldn't) or property was destroyed (same disclaimer), we looked at a nice long stay in KS making little rocks out of big rocks. same, same if i had bars on my collar and got a BJ from someone in my chain of command.

kallend/billvon, where have you gone?

so is conoco/phillips and devon. these folks support their communities. i got fucked up big time in an oil field accident many years ago and my family and myself was their first priority. the kids had food on the plate, and was taken care of without threats of court battles and such. if i was 25 years younger, i'd still be working floors or derricks today.

plus who's paying the road taxes on those electric cars? don't want them getting away without paying their fair share on road taxes, those on ramps cost some serious bucks and WE ALL NEED TO PAY OUR FAIR SHARE OF ROAD TAXES don't we, i buy gas for my generator or lawn mower and still charged road tax on it though these items are not involved in the transportation system.

bill, yours doesn't rhyme. get with the program

“First they came for Coal and I did not speak out because I did not know my community was electrically powered by evil coal. Then they came for Oil and Gas and I did not speak out because I was too stupid to realize those evil coal plants were replaced by the now evil natural gas plants. Then they came for nuclear energy and I did not speak out because I was told that sun and wind with carry the day. Poor me, now days I can’t afford to brew a single cup of tea.”

seen a few of the stupid shits fly into patio door and become cat fodder, those evil sliding glass doors, when are we going to save those poor cats from having to eat all those stupid birds committing suicide on maw and pops sliding glass door.

yes, but regulation for the sake of regulation is wrong too. an un-biased approach is best. just because you have rank on someone doesn't give card blanch to "fix" what isn't broken or deviate from the program as a whole.

or maybe it's the choice in programing?

yeah bill, it's mucked up beyond belief. my thoughts are if you're sticking it to one, the whole big picture should be looked at before singling one out over the other. should we tack on the cost of killing several migratory birds to an airline after the pilot just saved his crew and passengers from death dealing with two engines out and nowhere to land? the birds weren't dieing in that spot before the oil location or the turbine was installed and they won't be dieing at that spot when the location is put back to green fields or when the turbine falls to the ground. so if one is being put to the sword, the same fate should fall on the other. i'm watching Japan right now with their last nuclear reactor shut down and how good their economy fares when the rolling blackouts start. been out to perris in days gone by when they couldn't run their tunnel because of the rolling blackouts. is it fair that ben loses money because the grid he's hooked to can't provide the product he's trying to buy? i hope they can figure it out and maybe we can learn by example. that god-awfull genie hides every where. all it takes is the removal of the cap and there she is and all the problems that come along. i have worked in many producing fields in the patch. when i worked up in NY and northern PA both states had a very aggressive EPA program. there were many unannounced visits by their people to inspect the operation. At first that field up there was just air drilling to drill a well, the local "talent" had a hard time understanding drilling mudded-up like we have out in OK all of our lives. by the time i got up that way, most wells in OK were using a closed system to contain all of their fluids. in other-wards, any place that could be "wetted" by drilling fluids had massive plastic sheeting to protect against fluid loss into the surface soil. the extra cost makes up for cleanup after the rig has reached total depth, cause all the cuttings and such was contained in steel pits backed up by plastic lined areas. i worked as a mud-logger up there basically determining what type of formation we were drilling in and whatever else the company geologist needed from me. we air drilled through the fresh water zones and marked their location on our drilling logs for the EPA folks as per their directive. they have low pressure gas up there. so the locals aren't as keen as us that came from high pressure/high volume fields. either will kill ya just as dead. some companies i worked for down in LA would always case their kick off point where they go from vertical to horizontal. it cost them extra money but they saw a savings in dollars cause they never got stuck in the hole trying pull their pipe out past the dog-leg. the folks up in the NE didn't learn so quick and spent a lot of time stuck in the hole. stupid hurts and they paid their price. same with mud spills and not watching their pit levels. the EPA nailed their arse with fines and rightfully so for anything that hit the ground. and a rig north of one i worked on burned to the ground cause they lost all of their mud and had a blowout. yes, low pressure/high volume kills and burns just the same. the oil company rep on a location is called the "company man." when i broke out in the oil field in the late 70's i was working floors on a rig and those guys were GOD on the rig. fast forward to today and all they are is the mouth for the faceless oil company. they are rarely consulted by the home office engineers who have never set foot on a drilling rig, much less worked on one. this sad thing is happening not just in the oil fields, but in all walks of life. upper management is driving the bus and be damned with everyone else......it's me, me, me and my bonus, bonus, bonus. when i work in wireless it's the same thing, how much can we screw our contractors out of to make more money and how can we get over on the cities without paying too much on building permits and save buckets of money without going to jail. let's work smarter not harder

and replace with what? you obviously chose not to answer about both being equally culpable for the death and mayhem to the wild life. nor the penalties for each such instance. if fair is fair, time for those poor birdies to be saved from being killed by big bad wind turbines, or at the very least the operators pay up like big bad oil on EACH and EVERY bird carcass like the rest have to.

"The losses at Oprah Winfrey's stumbling cable channel are approaching a staggering $330 million, according to a report." "Discovery, which partnered 50-50 with Winfrey to launch the network and has been underwriting its costs, has invested nearly $600 million in it since 2008, according to a report in Businessweek magazine over the weekend." just saying if ya back the wrong horse, people may not watch your show or your network. like bad drop zones, eventually you run out of people buying jump tickets.

one thing is for sure in this world, right here, right now......... without pic1 and pic2 there is no pic three for you greenies to jump from but cliffs and gliders

next in line, let's talk about the residual pollution from the electronics industry and the others that makes the parts that go into the manufacture of wind turbines and solar cells. they, like iron and steel, aren't picked from the tree. the power needed to create tools of either industry is more than the average person gives a random thought to. all sources of energy are needed for a productive country. all of the remote reporting and controls now days on oil field locations of producing wells use solar cells and some batteries to run the equipment. maybe if we approached energy as a team effort things can go off the chart and make everything a much better endeavor.

so what do we do with the inequity of bird kills between oil and gas versus wind power? the price for 1 eagle killed by either industry should be the same shouldn't it? the number of instances (body count) should pertain equally?

at 330M loss she won't be there for long.

You are caught in an oxymoron of your own making and can't escape. you're one of them ron brothers aren't ya? kallend, in your spare time could ya figure out how to get all of those birds knowed up and quit flying into obummer's new shinny chineese wind turbines. you're killing more birds annually than the oil patch has in centuries. save us a few ducks for the thanksgiving table. if i don't place a string of casing in a well i'm drilling or cement a placed string correctly according to the drilling prognosis and my permits assigned me, my breaking those regulations is seen as willful misconduct. even if i dodge bad karma and the well never has a single problem in its life span of production, i'm still just as wrong not performing my activity as it was proposed and permitted. the only means to deviate from the initial proposal is to obtain the appropriate permissions from the agencies that generated the original permit.

http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/releases/110907.html and the birds get the blade!

willful misconduct = breaking regulations

that was an isolated incident with a private greedy person. he was the last nail in the coffin and the state raped his ass for it too. the fines and penalties he earned for his shoddy operation cost him more than pumping that illegal waste down-hole. i'm all for any operator getting his hat handed to him for willful misconduct in whatever industry. same accountability should be afforded government or private. if a company or government employee/manager makes the same mistake the punishment should be the same. you send an oil man to jail for "X" if the government man does the same he should share the same fate and the same sentence.

http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/releases/110907.html obama talks about "fair" share. the EPA administrator for the oil producing southern part of the US just resigned for his crucify approach to the energy industry. crucifying a company because your are uncle sugar and can do so with impunity is why discussions get heated up really quick. i've been in the energy industry and dabble in the telecom world. i have seen both of these industries suffer from government over-reach as well as out and out ignorance. in the telcom world Light Squared is a good example as well as the deregulation of the Bell companies. that deregulation was supposed to produce multiple choices of dial tone to serve residents, these days the only companies competing to sell dial tone is the local bell and the CATV company. i was designing fiber networks that were the first CLEC (competitive local exchange carrier) to come up against the bells. under an FCC ruling the legacy bell company had to lease us the CLEC their copper wires in their plant to serve our customers at a greatly reduced price that there was no hope to profit from. is it fair for the legacy company to have to provide a vehicle to ones competition with no profit? The same can be said for the FCC these days: they have just released a rule much like the deregulation mentioned above. upon the new rule change, sprint suspended service in western OK except along I-40 and Altus, OK to opt to ride on other carries towers in a roam fashion. that cuts my air card usuability from 5GB to 2.5GB. So sprint cuts and runs and leaves me their customer with less service and a bigger bill. i was pumping gas wells when the big push over bird kills started. at that time most salt water tanks were half tanks with no top or roof on them. the push entailed getting bird netting stretched over the tanks to keep the birds out. they were a pain in the ass to maintain, but worth it cause we energy workers live here too. today they place fiberglass tanks with tops and inspection hatches. we just don't go around pouring stuff on the ground cause our friends, neighbors, and families live here too. we eat the deer and quail we shoot and the fish we catch from our lakes and streams. it goes against our grain to deface mother earth that gives us so much. the amount of money that has been blown on the bankrupt green companies (just two of them) could have gone a long way towards cleaning up coal emissions. instead of spending the jack there what does the EPA do, put more regulations and try to drive them out without a viable way to replace the resulting voltage deficit. when i was an artillery officer in the guard, we were hammered constantly about our plans for this or that. you can't wage war with just one plan in your tool box. from the moment we start out, the first plan is crap because what we thought we were planning for changed or wasn't what we thought it was in the first place. the battlefield and industry are fluid environments. one assault plan doesn't work in all applications, much like the specifications to drill a H2S well versus a run of the mill gas well are very different. the people i label "environ-nuts" and "tree huggers" are the uninformed that regurgitate talking points without even attempting to read up on the topic. the ones that pass legislation thru fear to limit or outlaw things and then get in their electric car (charged at work by natural gas turbine) and drive home and crank up the air conditioner (house served by coal fired plant) and beat their chest about how green they live and that the rest of the country should be doing it as well. get the politics out. get some really smart oilmen and women and other folks and let's sit down and figure this out among our selves. let's use the same engineering approach we used getting someone on the moon. if they used our current way of doing things back in good ole days of NASA, we'd never have made it to the moon and killed astronauts on every attempt. last year i bought a solar generator to take to the DZ. before i bought it i had a honda 2000watt generator ($1000). it would run for 14 hours on a gallon of gas and easily handled a 4000btu AC ($100), refrig ($80.00), microwave ($50), hot plate ($20), and laptop computer ($400). only problem was keeping gasoline around the camp site. the solar kit consisted of 2(ea) 100watt panels and a 30 amp hour Li Hydride with a charge controller all for around $2,900 dollars. this set up only provides 15 amps of power. no hope in running the AC or microwave off it. to replace the frig i bought a 40qt freezer/frig from engel that only pulls two amps at 12VDC. Cost was $1000 just for it. low amperage. alternative forms of energy have their place like oil and gas. when the car first came along, it was generations before all of america was weaned from the horse and buggy. the automotive industry wasn't built by the government and it wasn't built overnight. they too had insurmountable obstacles to overcome to have the rides we take for granted today.