freeflysoul

Just an excuse for the mistake...nothing more!!! A mistake was made. It has been admitted. An apology followed. Restitution has been offered and refused. I'm failing to understand your reasoning at this point. +1 At this time I really miss the point... An unuseful public discussion... Way far better to solve the problem via private... Stop bitching, enjoy your wings!

Gay music, but great skilled flyers!!! Luv your work!!! 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

I offer 100,00 euro's for the discount certificate 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

never been in Italy, isn't it? 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

I'd consider also the pilot experience in BASE... Tony is a great skydiver, but I think he has a short BASE career... So I'd say Tony's performance is really impressive while compared with Frode's BASE skills... Just my 2 cents, anyway...

Got about 550-600 WS jumps on my Sabre 1 without any problems and any chops... And the Sabre 1 hard openings is a legend developed by the poor packers... Go for it! I'd recommend Sabre 1 or Spectre as best WS canopies... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

maybe in a V3? at least I heard so... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Crossbow was made by Parasport italia... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Just to avoid misunderstandings... I don't say Atmo is not useful... I think that tracking jumps are good aswell 4 taking awareness of the orizzontal flight... And, I just say that I don't like that a guy without any "certification" (how strange is this term... ) can doubt about manufacturers instruction procedures... Pasted from the original thread (I bet it will be deleted in few minutes... ), this is a post from that guy (original link: http://www.paracadutismo.it/forum/showpost.php?p=53205&postcount=14 ): Babelfish translation (with some necessary corrections ): I've just said on that post I teach to my students following manufacturers procedure since I'm not skilled enough to change it, while I think that procedure is the result of years of tests... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Oh my God... It is not my intention to open again another Atmo/track thread! The point I'm concerned about is that a guy without any WS manufacturer "certification" is changing the WS instruction standard courses, arguing about the utility of the BMI/PFI etc programs... that's 4 me a strange thing since only having a standard instruction procedure is possible to give proper instruction to students... I think Atmo would be good 4 the orizzontal awareness, but is not indispensable 4 a WS course... but also a tracking jump would be good as well... Or am I wrong? (easy it is... ) 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

I'm just having a discussion on the italian skydiving forum with a guy (not a BMI or PFI or whatsoever)who's teaching WS to students. He's asserting that he requires that his students must jump in Atmo before to take the WS course... I'm concerned about this and I think that Atmo is not similar to WS except for the orizzontal awareness it requires... What is your opinion about this? The original post of this guy is the #9 on the original thread HERE (sorry, only in Italian... maybe Babelfish can help...) 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Hi! About Atmonauti, I'd like to show you a post appeared in the Italian Skydiving Forum... http://www.paracadutismo.it/forum/showthread.php?t=2752 The most debating point is about the post #30 (i report you the entire link so you can paste it on the Babelfish to translate it from Italian) http://www.paracadutismo.it/forum/showpost.php?p=41018&postcount=30 I have read to all the thread carefully and have found optimal cues of reflection. I ask practicing of our sport and life philosophy, to serenely put to comparison our ideas and experiences, to remove the preconcepts, to have the curiosity and it wants to know one new human attitude in continuation evolution. The man today is the sum of its experiences passages, without evolution not is future. The diversity and the variety favor the evolution, the homologation svilisce, appiattisce. I would want in this center to increase the horizons and to exit from the idea of an only container that all contains. E' only for my particular and personal experience, for this intimate and visceral knowledge to fly, than I am about myself to discuss and to be confronted with my sky companions, in order to share my dream materialized, fruit of my personal experience, and therefore opinabile, accepting to enter in contrast with someone. Not me of you want, I pray to you. I think that the Atmonauti represents a discipline to if being, not circoscrivibile in others, for a fundamental reason: the key of time in order to comprise this difference is the "carrying capacity". Me it has been already illustrated that it is not an exclusive prerogative of the Atmonauti but, without null removing to the value of other disciplines, I by far think that the topic is still open and far away the comprised being be dealt and in exaustive way. This topic implies the acquisition of new concepts and the revaluation of our references. In order to begin I would immediately eliminate from the list of the topics the flight with the Wing Suit, decidedly the much most effective one in terms than carrying capacity, but after all an accessory. I mean to discuss about the natural ability to the man to fly with the single body, without wings crafts them. One three-dimensional formation. In track the depression of the below elements would be endured. In this case that does not happen because the formation is flying really, not is air under the body, the figure is held from the high one from the depression that shape on the upper wing surface of the members and is slipped in ahead along the flow It is not alone issue of angles The flock it is an angle tending to the vertical one, the parachutist with this type of angle deflects the air, that is it pushes the air and it receives one pushed from the same air that allows it to move themselves towards the opposite side. Not carrying capacity draft, deflects the air and one pushed is obtained. I do not find in this technique the phenomena and the typical characteristics of the carrying capacity which lower surface, upper wing surface and depression, coming from flow from a direction in which a wing profile it can slip to acquire the ability to fly. I do not find signs characteristic that they indicate a depression over the body, what that we find in the flight atmo and that I will try to illustrate more ahead. Naturally with "I do not find" I do not mean to say that "not there is". Bringing back only that that my senses record, for this I would want to be confronted with other experiences and points of view and to deepen the topic "carrying capacity", topic that fascinates me therefore a lot. In drift the angle is much plate, plus plate of the Atmonauta, but also in this case the air deflects. In fact who goes in track still feels the air to come gives under, moreover rigid one must hold a postura the entire time much and stiff otherwise it loses the effect. Impossible as an example to lower a foot in order to put it on the bag of who it is a meter under. Speaking about carrying capacity then already the temine drift sottintende a movement without control. True E' that in track they can be carried out of taken but the varieties of movement is much limiting, it has little mobility and little visibility. One will say to me that in track it can be gone faster of the Atmonauti. Of accordissimo but always because it deflects the air and one pushed is obtained, once again not is carrying capacity, we do not find distinguibili signs of the phenomenon (example an appreciable lessening of the vertical rate or the bag on the shoulders that is detached as to precede the parachutist) and ne' the horizontal speed can be a data symbol when it is obtained from one pushed. In the flight in atmo the vertical rate remarkablly the depression generated from the carrying capacity is reduced because of, a lot that to parity of horizontal movement the Atmonauta will be found decidedly more up than whichever angle. The Atmonauta moves every time for some km on the horizontal plan without some push but it slips along the flow that comes while it is withheld from the high one from the depression that shape on its upper wing surface, moreover does not perceive some pressure under of if, it is felt without lost, literally suspended, for this can move the limbs many liberations. For Track after a jump atmo ours decidedly inferior a vertical rate to the human body in free fall. The depression, effect of the carrying capacity, sucks the Atmonauta on its upper wing surface and it withholds it. From the absence of "impact" and the lacked perception coming from flow they give here under, therefore the possibility to move legs and arms, remaining "heads to you" in the diagonal flow. Mobility that concurs as an example of carvare round to a base (tests to execute such maneuver in drift): The Atmonauta to put the foot on the bag or the chest of the below Atmonauta, to second if it is front or in back without creating or enduring depressions. That is possible because the flow comes: The secret is the postura The Atmonauta has an angle around to the 30-40 degrees but that that ago truly the difference is the postura, this is the innovation. In fact to parity of angles, other posture will have completely different effects with the flight in atmo. With its characteristic order, raised river basin, aimed legs flesse, shoulders and head china, the Atmonauta assumes the shape of the wing profile. E' for that it flies. The open arms act as from stabilizers, the busto are the body of the aircraft and the triangle head-hands, with the busto like axis of reference, the rudder. Sure this type of flight is not effective as that one of flying them or an aircraft and the Atmonauta has still need of its device of landing in order to replace the feet to the ground. It could even be gone back. To who it would not appeal to that the sail could go back on in the sky, instead its characteristics they do not allow that to head towards the ground. But it flies. Therefore also the atmonauta it flies, like whichever creature or what in a position to being carrying. During the flight the Atmonauta, lacking in a motor that can push it in ahead, ridiscende. The human wing takes advantage of the force of gravity like motor transforming in part the vertical speed in necessary kinetic energy for the movement on the horizontal plan, allowing to execute with semplicità , with an instinct that surprises the reason, of the apparently complex maneuvers also for who does not have many knows to you, because it is just the carrying capacity to allow them, impossible maneuvers in free fall and whichever angle that one uses unsuitable postura. It is considered that the man in free fall falls more to a vertical speed between the 200 and 300 km/h or, the Atmonauta instead can arrive to a vertical rate of approximately 150-160 km/h, to the times also less. A body in sky or falls or flies, therefore the speed of a decidedly inferior man to that one of free fall indicates that it flies less (than does not have a postura or an accessory that opposes resistance to the vertical flow, what that the Atmonauta does not make). Once comprised this concept turns out impossible the comparison with other disciplines, independently from the angle or the speed of advance. In this famous photo the bag that is detached from the shoulders, sucked in ahead. That happens because the material comes sucked from the depression and slips in ahead along the flow. Much Atmonauti to first knows to you, even if explained in phase of briefing, they are impreparati to such event and they have the feeling to lose the material. Moreover it is observed like the T-shirt, little before last under the cosciali, hour comes sucked in ahead: A particular phenomenon: the T-shirt of the Atmonauta in back goes apparently against hand! It is raised and it is moved in the direction of flight, sucked from the depression is moved in the direction of the flow: The tandem in atmo flies the entire time without drog. It does not need of the stabilizer ne' of a brake, not is coming from flow give under, the depression generated from the carrying capacity supports the tandem gives over offering great stability and in last not slowing down of remarkablly the vertical rate. The drog it will be only extracted to 2000 meters, shortly before opening (tests not to execute such technique in drift...): I make excuses myself if I have given the impression to have try to teach something. I am not nobody and here I have not taught null. I have only exposed my personal experiences, considerations, studies, notes, my per diem staff, aware of having to still study and to work a lot in order to overwhelm my innumerevoli gaps. I augur myself of being able to me to confront seriously and to increase my cultural baggage and of experience. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some people are saying the Atmonauti are flying generating lift from their angled body position, while aother are saying they are not generating lift but they're flying by deflection... What is your opinion? 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Just watching again "Mucho BASE" when I started to feel something strange.... I had to vomit... I started to play with the slowmotion and I understand why... Try to play with the still and the slowmotion at around min. 17:02 ... Ah James, James, James......... Nothing to say??? 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Little pink hat gay, buy a decent PC!!! Or at least learn how to use it well... You'll have fun here, 4 sure... Italy will give ya a BIIIIIG welcome.... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Mincer, check your stofanet email... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

I think they're having some troubles with the website... Now it appears the old website version... On the new version there are a few pics of the Trigger 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

2 italians will be around there... any locals who wants free beer?? Thx in advance 4 your help! 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

...Blue Skies Deug! Never forgotten, forever in our hearts! 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

My condolences to all involved... BSBD! 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Oh shit! So, it's a torture... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Lucky man!!! Are you working in Paradise??? 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Ciao, my friend! BSBD! 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

HE HE HE... Seems a contest... So, here are mine... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

Yes, nice pic! And the text said "Can you feel it?" Really cool!!! 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104

B.S.B.D. 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104