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Welcome back Orange and Guru!

Thanks but... I think I'm remembering why I left

'Lo all... Just came across this on tv -> watching "America's dark secrets declassified" on Cooper... With Jerry and Cook inter alia. I'm guessing this has been dissected here at some point already so if anyone can remember what pages or give me a brief summary, would be mice appreciated.

Hope everyone well...

They take fun jumpers too and unless things have changed in the while I haven't been jumping, it's easier to get on a load as a solo to fill up with tandems than as a team. It's a Cessna dz btw. There are other DZs in the western cape but they take a while to get to from CT.

And stunning views from altitude

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Good to hear from you! Yes. Agree with your
sentiments - I dont think you have to worry
about resource allocation!

Hope all is well. Take care.

Thanks G. And I am an economist, it's in my nature to worry about resource allocation

In and out quickly, to say (and I haven't scrolled back so this may have been said, it's already been said in other contexts): following the terrible news about Boston, this is where the FBI should be directing its resources, not on some 40-year old hijack. Let them rather spend their time and energy on stuff that stops people, today, dying or getting hurt.

377, I have a nasty suspicion I didn't respond to your last mail... Will drop you a line. Have more news

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I used to care how people thought of me NOW I do NOT give a DAMN!

Amongest the Cooperites is a SNAKE! YOU have been exposed! NOW look OUT, because I have what I NEED to finish this and YOU cannot STOP me with a " story". YOU have misled so many people in the past and in the thread, all the while trying to profit and to protect your own image. YOU are the lowest of the low! Records were concealed and only ONE person knew where to look and I was told there was NOTHING to be gained by going to a specific place. Now I know WHY! Even SNAKES leave tracks. You had NO idea someone would venture there on my behalf. You left your footprint.

One can destroy many things, but you forgot one little ole thing!
JUST what the HELL did YOU have to gain by your ACTIONS?
Notoriety? Covering up your own past? Perhaps YOU just needed to create your own Cooper and YOU had to be the man! HOW disgusting!

Yea! You bet your boopy I am madder than a wet hen in fact more like a rabid wolf and MY fanges are getting read to show!
NO GUNS, NO WORDS, NO THREATS will stop me - NOT now!
YOU won't even know I am there until I sink my fangs into your throat! I won't make if quick and fast - You will be tortured for a long time before the KILL! You Will be Exposed for what U are.

Only the individual this is directed at will know who he is!

Anyone else reminded of "Snakes on a Plane"....

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Previously I posted about the 2 cars purchased in late 1971 or early 1972. ANY one have a clue how Weber purchased those cars with the income of 1971 - NOT posssible even in those days.

And this has been addressed more than once. No-one seems to doubt that with Duane's record he could well have stolen the money. It doesn't prove he got it during a hijacking.

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There seems to be some lack of knowledge among several "prominent Cooper researchers" (by that, I mean Blevins, Jo Weber, Sailshaw, etc.) about how real research is done in the real world.

First, it is not a good idea to give your conclusions before you have done your research.

Second, look at all the "facts" (check your dictionary for the meaning) before drawing conclusions.

Third, don't write books about your "conclusions" before you have valid data supporting those conclusions.

Fourth, don't agree to appear on national television as an "expert" on some subject until you have at least some idea of what you are talking about. Marla, please note.

Finally, when valid facts emerge that prove you have been talking through your hat, it is an excerise in futility to keep repeating your BS with the hope that someone is dumb enough to give you the benefit of a doubt.

I'm sure that there are other qualified people on this thread who can add to the above.

Robert99

This is a great post. However, it will be completely ignored by the people it's aimed at. They have too much emotionally invested ...your other post also spot on when you said these two have zero retention on anything not related to their suspects.

Not sure quite how long I was away for, but it's been a long while, and it's quite depressing to come back to see Blevins sounding like a stuck record and Jo continuing to alternatively cast aspersions on people's motives/background or try get them to back off by feeling sorry for her. It's clear to me there's been progress on some things or theories at least judging from some of the discussion, but quite what they are is lost in the noise.

My husband can't believe I'm back on here

I'm beginning to remember why I left this thread

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I'm not sure you can assume the real DBC wouldn't joke about being a suspect, especially after he'd been cleared by an FBI DNA test. He might be an ironic double psych kind of guy who would get a kick out of it.

Sheridan Peterson might be that kind of guy.

377

Agree...or simply may even be doing it precisely assuming most people would also think the way Blevins does on it!

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Farf's baseline must be taken seriously.

I know. I just dont like it. I want Cooper to be a mad skills jumper, not a friggin Whuffo.

377

Thanks for the nice welcome back, Georger and 377!

Re above quotes - can you briefly fill me in on farf's baseline?

Oh my, pop back in to say a (belated) happy new year and to see if the case has been solved yet (apparently not) and find I am a subject of discussion

Bruce, I would never chuck you put sans chute. However, I would probably take delight in the terrified-first-jumper expression on your face .

Hope everyone is well. I've obviously been gone a long time - just skipped to last page which was literally hundreds and hundreds on from where it took me to "first unread" so I have no idea what's been going on, but see the old faithfuls still around
Fwiw I agree with 377 that Cooper knew a 727 could be jumped. And I still like my theory that Cooper had military experience of some sort overseas, and disappeared back somewhere - Asia or central Africa -where either the US military and/or the CiA had been active, and where dollar bills could easily be put into circulation without the serial number being checked. Sheridan could fit that bill, but so could (I speculate) plenty others we haven't even heard of. Have there been any other new potential suspects named here?

For those interested, life is good here on the southern tip. Baby O is now 4 and has started early at school, having been assessed with the math skills of an 8-year old...she's reading easily, and is a delight. Perhaps she will solve the Cooper case in a few years' time though right now she is more interested in when we will visit Disneyland. The rest of the family is well.

Um,
hello again
Forgive me for not reading through all the posts I've missed - someone may well have posted on this. I've just seen a Discovery episode where they crash a 727 (for a crash test) and have the people jumping out the aft stairs. Experienced skydivers obviously, but the one they showed the full exit of had a pretty stable exit - a bit of blast but righted himself very quickly, no tumbling.

Jeez it looked like fun ....

Hope all are well.

Have we (you) solved the mystery yet?

Ok, I'm lost again. Why is it important which seat Cooper sat in exactly? If it's because of where the tie was found, that's inconclusive. If he took it off when he was sitting, it would have gone on the seat next to him. If he took it off when he was standing, it may or may not have gone on the seat where he had been sitting. But I'm not entirely sure why any of this matters. I can only see the seat being important if they had gotten hairs off the back of it. In pre-DNA days, how much import would have been placed on something like that? And in any case as the FBI seem to be going on the tie for DNA (however compromised) one has to assume they do not have other sources such as hair.

Slight sidetrack-
Hominid, I think you mean "discreetly" rather than "discretely".

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You're good, unless your waist is bigger than your chest.
Then a wide tie will have a slimming effect.

Matt

If your waist is bigger than your chest the only thing that will have a slimming effect is a diet and exercise program

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Jerry,

How about you have this new guy give us a description of the guy he remembers? Get all the details, hair, eye color, height, weight, complexion etc. You would do the community a big service and help get things back on track here.

Tom Kaye

I appreciate Jerry's efforts, but i'm dubious. How well does *anyone* remember someone they saw 40 years ago - especially if there was no reason (at the time) to take note, and almost certainly this witness has seen countless photos of the Cooper sketches, was watching Unsolved Mysteries, etc, and we all know how such stuff can taint memory.

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Dumb question here (for once):

Dumb question is always far better than ludicrous unsubstantiated statement. Good direction, keep it up!

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That is why I requested clarification. No big deal - just if you're gonna say that there is no doubt that the comments are from people here - it would be interesting to know how that was arrived at.

This thread has a long, long, LONG history of people making claims without anything solid backing them up.....

Are the transcripts on Sluggo's site? I'm still bothered by the redactions, which I didn't pay enough attention to when I had copies. I'm wondering if it's possible to figure out what type of info was redacted from the context (eg names, places, identifying details, whatever....)? If I recall properly, the redacted bits were all in-between other stuff...some decent conjecture must be possible? (note I said decent, not wild, conjecture )

It's amusing watching people decry other people's suspects for lack of proof, considering that no-one here has presented a shred of proof. Blevins has built up a circumstantial case, Marla has her 8 year old memories, Jo and Knoss both have wild conspiracy theories and always fall back to "knowing" Weber was Cooper. I'm sure someone could build decent circumstantial cases for a couple of other suspects if they really tried but at the end of the day the one thing that everyone is lacking is proof. And heaven help those who try to actually use anything scientific, as they meet the thread's version of the flat earth society in response.

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It's not your fault what some people will make of something. Who woulda believed that mere mention of icing far away and much later would have morphed into deploying the stairs and jumping into an ice storm?

You don't have to jump in an ice storm for it to be cold enough to numb your fingers.

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another Cooper story http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/120126-local-musician-says-he-knew-db-cooper this one claims to know Cooper, or is Cooper?

Well that's easy. He just has to provide the 20s for proof.

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Will he have numb hands from a freefall? (making it difficult to deploy his parachute, since he did make a bad choice in designs to use)
Matt

That's a good point. I remember a winter jump (and remember our winters are much milder than in the Northwest) where our camerman had lost his gloves, and his fingers froze stuck to the side of the plane as he exited! IIRC we were jumping from 11K that day. He pulled, obviously, but he didn't have to pull right out the plane or deal with a potentially hard pull. Needless to say he found a pair of gloves to borrow for the rest of the day.

Then again.... Cooper could have had gloves in his mysterious paper bag (and goggles and alti if he wasn't planning to pull right off the step).