BobMoore

Are they briefed? I've been to a few bigways, have been jumping for more than a few years, and I even spent some time as an AFF instructor. I don't think I have ever heard about this leg kicking thing. I guess people are good at steering away from me. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

The Ranch has a good reputation also. I would pick the one that is the shortest drive for you. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

You can ask OSHA & all the entire medical establishment or you can ask skydivers who have two decades and thousands of jumps under their belt. I'd like to see an OSHA report that has taken sound samples at freefall speeds (and in the airplane) and has determined that we are in danger of losing our hearing. For now I'll just listen to conversations around the bonfire, until I can't anymore. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

Davinci explained it to you very nicely and aptly but *sigh* You missed the point entirely. But, to answer your misdirection... Hmmmmm....deaf....dead....deaf....dead.... Hey! I'll take deaf for $100 Alex! Maybe we should do a little survey of all the old-timers here. You know, just for the education of the newbies. How many of you skydivers who have been jumping for greater than 20 years can't hear any more? How many hear just fine? How many actually listen to skydivers who have been around a lot longer than you? "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

That's something you might see a grade school student do. Definitely not behavior expected from an adult. I agree with you. That is not the least bit "cute". "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

Yeah, I watched both cases on the TV and I know EXACTLY what happened. Boy, the prosecutors screwed up big time on that one. ... if only they had called me for my opinion. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

Back in the old days at Skydive San Marcos there was a rigger/packer/skydiver that lived at the DZ with his wife and daughter. The little girl lived her formative years (omigawd!) around skydivers. The result of that was evident during a grade school class when the teacher said the word "first" during a lecture. The little girl, acting on years of ingrained listening, immediately yelled "CASE OF BEER!" As I recall, the parents had some explaining to do. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

WHAT DID YOU SAY??? I said ... Time for coffee break! DIDJA HEAR THAT?!? "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

Monotonous, mindless, repetitive, endless work. No, thank you. I'll keep my job. I did notice that even back then the press operators had to push two widely spaced buttons to make the equipment work, thus insuring that one of their hands could not be in harms way. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

Another disciple has joined the fold. Mad John is unique. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

What!? No pictures!? "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

Are street hookers doing something illegal all the time, even if they're not on their back with their legs in the air? If a street hooker is in the grocery store at 10:00am buying food for her kids dinner can she be arrested for prostitution? At what point is a street hooker not just an ordinary citizen? "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

fixed it for you "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

That sounds oh so romantic, Krisanne. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

No need for you to be worried. You will be jumping out of Larry Hill's fine aircraft. You will be landing in the prettiest valley in the state. If you can ignore the politics, which if you've never been here before you have no knowledge of, I guarantee you will have one hell of a fine vacation. Go. Enjoy yourself. That boogie is going to need a influx of new people these next few years. I predict the oldtimers will disappear. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

I'm a college dropout. I jump with more than a few PhD graduates. Sometimes I forget just how much effort it took them to achieve those sheepskins, and then I slap myself back to reality. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

I'm glad I did all that 20 years ago. Either the painful memory has dimmed or it didn't cost me nearly that much. Whatever. I did have fun doing it. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

If you were a machine you wouldn't have been able to float. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

They can probably re-use the coffin. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

I wonder how many tandem customers come on to the DZ totally oblivious to the danger they MIGHT face, even after they watch the waiver video and hear Bill Booth say "You could die". I am sure the thousands of gleeful patrons of Disney World never consider the possibility that that roller coaster could fling them off the ride and into the hotdog stand. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

I should hope so. I've met his wife. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

Not that long ago it was for sale. You could have snapped it up for only $925,000 (including some acreage). "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

I understand your point, but it does beg certain question: why aren't North Americans all speaking Lakota, or Arapaho, or Iroquois? Because of invading armies. Same reason you can hardly hear anybody speaking Hawaiian in the islands. "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

Great! So why do they have their own separate events where they exclude everyone else, as a way of celebrating the way they are? That seems contradictory. If you want to be treated just like everyone else, then just participate like everyone else, like in that Men's World Record. When you set yourself apart and do your own thing, excluding everyone else, it's like saying that you ARE different, and don't want to be equal to everyone else. That seems bass-ackwards to me. I think it was in Florida, some 15 years ago, somebody organized an all-Javelin container big way. It even made it into Parachutist. I was really bummed that they wouldn't let me join them, just because of my Wonderhog gear. To teach them a lesson I wanted to organize a blond, blue-eyed musician load, all wearing argyle socks. And I did. I hold the record (it's a record of one). "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."

So you're jumping with pre-license holders without any kind of rating? Oh, my God!!! Say it isn't so! What the hell did we do before USPA created the Coach rating? "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people."