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Wow... lots of responses. A couple of points. Our examiners were trained by Jay Stokes. If they ask me for something, I assume the request is well founded and legitimate. UPT don't want grounded equipment to leave the factory. I asked. I assume it's a liability issue. Yes, dealing in grounded gear is frowned upon, but as I'm asking on behalf of a national entity, I should be able to convince people that we're not going to let the equipment take to the sky. So... does anyone have an old Sigma lying around? HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

Hi people The Danish Parachute Association is looking to buy a non-airworthy Sigma. As the old Vector 2 tandem rigs are becoming obsolete, our tandem examiners would like to get their hands on a Sigma that won't be used anymore, so that it can be used for ground training of new TI's. We realize that there's probably some trade-in value with UPT, and we'll of course match that. Does anyone have something, or know someone who might? HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

Thanks for your info. I have forwarded my material to the powers that be. Let's see what happens. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

You misread my intention. As you say: "This is the way it has always been done.". This move will run into all kinds of hypothetical killer scenarios from old instructors, so videos of lazy throws by students lying on their back resulting in a fine main canopy would be really nice to have. I'd never let a student know I was upset. I was just trying to make people remember the jumps where they'd been really scared on behalf of the student. You know, when a 5 second delay turns into 11 seconds... HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

That would be good to see. Thank you. It is also not uncommon for me to sit in the door looking at a student doing a 5 second delay like "1... 2... 3... Flip... Pull". On those occasions a spring loaded PC does its job very well. Statistics seem to indicate that throw-out works just fine but seeing how these situations actually resolve themselves would be nice. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

Ah... got it.

Guys! I have plenty of rigging information and statistics from Norway and Sweden. Please don't hijack with those discussions. What I need is video to show when the what-if scenarios pop up, which they will. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

Sounds interesting, and I really could use a large statistical sample to give a sharper analysis in the end. Can you point me to someone in the CSPA who would be sitting on stats like that? Other than that, all the places I have looked seem to indicate no strong case against the switch. That will, however, meet some resistance from hypothetical what-if scenarios. I really would like some videos of some of these situations to tell us what happens. Some Canadian student must have made a lazy throw. Some Canadian student must have botched a poised exit. Video would really help. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

In Denmark we have used BOC-placed ripcords for SL students for many years. AFF students are generally taught using throw-out pilot chutes. We are, however, considering allowing the use of throw-out pilot chutes to be used also for SL students from their first freefall. I have been in contact with skydiving organizations from a number of different countries to gather statistics and experience, and it seems that there is as of now no proven case against making this transition. As any SL instructor will know, these first freefall jumps can be scary to watch, and a lot of instructors (myself included) will be thinking of entanglement situations arising from bad exits and lazy throws. Avoiding those is why we have ripcords in the first place. Therefore: Do any of you have videos of bad student exits and pulls that you are willing to share with me (and with those who will ultimately make this decision)? I want to see the videos where you were sitting in the plane, thinking "If he's not dead, I'm gonna kill him myself.". We all know that the good student can be taught to use BOC throw-out with no problems. It is the life of the less-than-perfect student we are out to safeguard here. Side note: If you happen to sit on statistics with large numbers for this situation or for IAD which should be comparable, please send me a PM. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

Thanks for the responses. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

I'm trying to figure out which size canopies I can safely put in my trusty old (2000) J4. However, the Sunpath "Pre K-series" chart doesn't contain the J4, but the J4-K. Can anyone point me to the relevant info? HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

A black president, a white prime minister and a female prime minister having fun at what at that point was essentially a stadium concert. Seems pretty much like what mr. Mandela fought for. Had he been alive, he'd have asked for a copy of the pic. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

I noes, but the week of vacation time I have starts on March 31st. I'm trying to squeeze it so I can leave Thursday, though. I would hate missing the toga party. Still, nothing's settled yet... HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

Thx. Mayhap one should consider crossing the pond... HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...

So, when's the reunion boogie? HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde...