Deyan

riggerrob

Pulling the pin before the pilot-chute catches air is the normal sequence with pull-outs and ripcords

Exactly my point Rob! It was a rhetorical question!

To each their own!

I really have problem with paying for an idea! The fact that the companies need cash to get started is not my problem. Shouldn't be yours either.
Innovation? Dude, this is an altimeter! No matter how many video games they put in it, no matter what kind of useless info you get after every jump, it's an altimeter. It shows the altitude you are currently on, so you know when to separate, deploy and set up your landing pattern. Just for comparison the smart phone on which I'm writing this post cost 200 €!!!
I fully understand that there are people who want to have the newest and coolest before anybody else and that's fine. Let them test it for you. Meanwhile buy the cheapest altimeter you find and a tablet. You will appreciate the second one during weather holds.

500 bucks for an altimeter phhhh! Better makes coffee too and predict the numbers from the lottery !

What's wrong with you guys?
Both products haven't been released and you are staking up to prepay for something no one has seen. And we are not talking about 100 bucks.
Don't you remember what happened to "the best fullface helmet ever"?
So many people got ripped off! That's what happened! I'm not saying that this is the case here. All Im saying is that you should keep your hard earned money in the bank, until the products are out on the field for at least a year. And then if you are still feeling happy to pay 500 bucks for an altimeter, go ahead and get yourself one.

pchapman

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The bridle should load up before the pin is extracted. Unless you’re using a spring loaded p/c.

Hmm, I was just about to say, all those reserve deployments would be considered out of sequence.... unless you somehow artificially exclude them because of a spring loaded PC, maybe because it "it is out of sequence but isn't out of sequence for that long so I won't count it because I want to say that pull-outs are bad, without saying that all our reserves are bad too".

You summed up pretty well. Spring loaded or not, doesn't make any difference. When you are belly to earth, pull out has less chance of hesitating because it's not in the burble, so that statement " it's out of sequence because it's not spring loaded" is pretty inaccurate.

The whole discussion is how to prevent PCIT. In my opinion, considering that specific malfunction, pull out is way better than throw out. Can you end up with a total if you can't find the pud? Absolutely! But anyone in his right mind will choose a total mal vs PCIT. Bill mentioned many people dying because they used pull outs in the 70's. But why did they die? Because in the 70's people were pulling at 2500' ,didn't have AAD's and didn't make as many jumps as the weekend warriors now.So when they end up at 2500' still in freefall and search for the pud for 10 seconds, well it's their last jump ever, right? In 2017 majority of jumper have AAD's and don't pull lower than 3000'. If you have as many jumpers using pull outs now as there were back then, I bet you, you won't have as many fatalities!
One more time....the discussion is not which deployment system is better. It's how to prevent PCIT.

Here's a list of all PCIT mals I've seen.

5X missrouted bridle (throw away)
2X bridle around body parts during unstable deployment (throw away)

How to avoid them:

Proper prejump gear check!
Pulling while stable belly to earth!

gowlerk

***Really, you couldn't figure out why she had a horseshoe? Pulling the pud on a pull-out opens the container exposing the bag to the airstream, eventually it'll work its way out. Key, dont hold on to the pud!!

Yup, 'zactly. Out of sequence deployment on each and every jump.

So pulling the pin before you get the PC out is considered "out of sequence deployment"?

keithbar

***I've never heard of anyone having PCIT with Pull-out. Get one = problem solved. Maybe not what you were looking for, but it works!

. I figured someone would be curious but whatever

I'd love to hear that story

All of what you've said is true!
However, you asked how the PCIT can be solved. On top of that floating handle is way better than PCIT. Of course that's only my opinion which in most cases is not worth 2 cents.

I've never heard of anyone having PCIT with Pull-out. Get one = problem solved. Maybe not what you were looking for, but it works!

Ron

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We DID replace the rubber bands, which had long since rotted

I know a difficult question to ask, but on average how long do you think rubber bands would last?

Milspec rubber bands should be good for 2 years.

What Jerry said, It's not OK and you should have it fixed.
My point was, you should not freak out about it.
Definitely not like the guy who's RPC didn't leave the container.

This is the most common misrouting mistake on soft links.
While it should not be like this, the chance of the link failing because of it is practically zero. I've seen reserve canopies open at terminal with a mistake like this....

Once again, I'm not advocating bad rigging. Just sharing my thoughts!

I think you forgot one of the options.
Yes, as long as you don't try to teach me how to do it.

Been there

Ken,

NZ linesets for Icarus come ready for 2-6, 6-2 or 1-6. In case you want to use the single brake option, you attach the 6 uppers skipping 4 and 8 line attachment points.

gowlerk

The setup you have has all six lines on each side connected to the main toggle. This will give you an excellent flare, but your arms may be tired by the time you need it.

Fixed for you
The single break configuration has 6 uppers. 1,2,3 (skip 4) 5,6,7 (skip 8)

iranianjumper

having had a set of tandem ( Icarus main canopy and Sigma container ) and notice :
1- there is no any loop on brake line for attaching to riser's loop for keeping brake line ( picture 1)
2- there is secondary toggle but there is not secondary control line .

please help me to find more about this problem .

1 - there's not supposed to be a loop on Icarus Tandem!
2- you have the setup with a single break line.

It's all good!

piisfish

WAS it stuck “mechanically “ by the fabric caught under the flaps or was the fabric of the PC stuck to the reserve flaps by sticky cordura?

Mirage flaps are lined with parapack inside.

degeneration

Well, technically who knows, as the Speed isn't mentioned with the V316.

Well, if the next size up (V319) lists Speed 120 as a tight fit, it's logical that no Speed reserve should fir in the smaller container since 120 is the smallest Paratec makes.

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But for a general guidance, for a Speed 135 I look for an Op126. Wherever the Op126 fits, the Speed 135 should fit as well. And similarly for the Speed 120 and Op113.

This is a good starting point indeed.

Blis

***Sorry for bringing back an old thread, but I just wanted to share a picture with you. The freebag is V319 and the canopy inside is a Speed 2000 150. According to UPT's chart, Speed 120 would be a full fit...You make your own conclusion.

Stay safe!

I do have speed 2000 120 in a V306, it's a perfect fit...

One thing worth noting is that UPT provides info for speed instead of speed 2000, the second one is true low-bulk reserve and first one is standard fabric....

To my knowledge, there's only one Speed reserve in size 180. Designed in the late '80s and certified under the German DFV?! No span wise reinforcement. All other sizes are Speed 2000. FAA and EASA TSO certified. I'm pretty sure Stefan will clear this up at some point.

Now,... Paratec will make you any size Speed 2000 from the regular 0-3 cfm fabric upon request. They have about 10 colors available. The low bulk however, comes only in white. What is the chance that Paratec will send reserves with the normal fabric to UPT for sizing?! I'd say zero. The same reserves went to Rigging Innovations (and I believe VSE) for sizing as well, and if you look at the Curv sizing chart, you will see that a Speed 120 goes in the same rig as Optimum 99. Bottom line, you(or your rigger) shouldn't trust Vector sizing chart in regards to Speed reserves!

Stefan?

degeneration

The vector sizing chart makes no sense.
How can the same Speed canopy pack so much tighter than two others (that I chose for this) in one container, but then pack basically the same as those same canopies in another container

That's my point. It doesn't pack as tight as they say it does.

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Typo on the V319?

Nope. And the attachment is a Speed 135 in V316! (again no typo). According to their chart, it shouldn't fit, right?!

Those Compass Rules are doing a good job at what they were initially designed to do.Which is reducing the chance of killing yourself under an open canopy, until you gain some experience.

What I still don't get is how you are allowed to make your first skydive ever under a Sabre1 170 with WL of 1.0, but the following week and 20 jumps later you are not allowed to jump a Silhouette 210 with WL of .81

And at the end of the day, it's an activity for adults and if you want to play games and break the rules, you probably will go under the radar, unless you start telling everyone how awesome you are and how much shit you don't give....then you gonna get what's coming!

Oh, and oddly enough there's no rule on how big your reserve should be. Recently I refused packing a PDR143 for a guy who said that he upsized his main to 190, because we was not current. He was told by the person who sold him the gear that PDR 143 will fly and land the same way his Sabre 2 190 will....

I packed my first Speed reserve in 2006 and I haven't noticed any fabric change or packing volume inconsistency since then.

Sorry for bringing back an old thread, but I just wanted to share a picture with you. The freebag is V319 and the canopy inside is a Speed 2000 150. According to UPT's chart, Speed 120 would be a full fit...You make your own conclusion.

Stay safe!

They look like Akando to me!

http://www.akando.com/en/goggles-clear

kat00

if you want to Freefly I would go for the Vortex because the other two are tuck tabs and not as freefly friendly. Also the custom tailoring to fit would be nice especially at that price.

Let me tell you a secret that will blow your mind...but don't tell anyone ok?! Infinity is the only rig on the market that was used in a super sonic freefall jump. Furthermore, ask any speed skydiving coach about containers and my bet is, 10 out of 10 will say "stay away from magnets". So maybe, if stiffeners are good for speeds above 500km/h, maybe they will be good for the speeds of a regular FF jump? Dunno!

I'll take Infinity above any other rig on the market....and if I have to jump a Vortex 2, I'll quit skydiving !

Josef97

Hi, i have wings w11 dom 2007 with pdr160 in it and since the my rigger packed the reserve, the reserve flap would go out always, he knows about this problem and packed it several times but the flap goes out every time, now i dont live in the US so its not that simple to just send it to wings...
Is there any suggestions that could help?
Thanks.

I have a customer with exactly the same problem. Wings suggested to replace the reserve pin cover flap. That's a major repair and if you choose to go this way, make sure you pick an experienced master rigger, or send it back to Wings.