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Thanks for your insight Bill. I stated from the beginning that I did not want to debate the issue. I also stated I did not want to have to deal with ignorance. I have been providing information and answering questions that I have been able to answer. All was going well and no problems were created until WINSOR posted. His verbal attacks are biased and callous and are personal attacks against someone not here to defend himself. Right is right, wrong is wrong, black is black and white is white. If my wording of Winsor having no character is wrong, then to the entire forum, "I apologize". But I will not sit by and allow the personal attacks on my deceased brother-in-law continue unanswered. ANYONE that knew Tim, knew what kind of person he was. His integrity, his moral character, his respect for policies and rules, and his overall kindness were unmatched. Anyone that knew him will attest to that. Unfortunately not many that knew him read this forum and even less have ANY TYPE of first hand knowledge of this no-less then tragic accident. If Winsor wants to continue the personal attacks, I will respond. Otherwise, please ask him to take his opinion-based views over to rec.dot where he is revered. The primary reason I am not and will not post on that forum with respect to this issue is because of such individuals. I only hope that you don't feel as though this is to harsh of a post to allow. In addition, if I thought that Tim was 100% at fault. This post would not be occuring because I would be the first to say Tim screwed up. However, in this case, that is not true.

Post: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .... that is easily the most heartless thing i have ever heard anyone say in my life. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed. Not only that, but I'm shocked at who it came from. I've never seen such an exhibition of bad taste. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bad taste is defined by the actions of the litigants against Rod, and I can't bring myself to buy into the sympathy angle used to make their case. Some years back a friend of mine was killed by being in a flight operation area without prior coordination with the pilot. The bottom line was that he fucked up and died, and the pilot and the mother of the deceased hugged each other in tears at the funeral. There was no blamestorming or litigation. In this case it is every bit as clear that it was a case of death by misadventure, where the deceased was in an area devoted to aircraft operations and died as a result. It's a shame and all that, but the bottom line is that he had no business whatsoever being where he was when he was struck. By the time I was done searching for his arm (we never did find it - most likely a coyote made off with it) I didn't have much sympathy for his misfortune, and seeing what it did to the staff of the helicopter operation did away with my last vestiges of concern. If the posts by his brother in law shortly thereafter had demonstrated acceptance of the full responsibility he took by going where he was forbidden by law to go (check the regs), I might have felt a modicum of sympathy. There was, however, a public exercise of denial of the first order, and I am not okay with that. That it has come to the point of civil action is nothing short of evil, and defense of the decision to litigate in this case is as repugnant as would be someone trying to explain why they think rape is really not so bad. Anyone who thinks that any good can come of the suit is misinformed. No "truth" will come out as a result, and only further destruction can ensue. The result of Tim's actions was unintended but predictable; the civil action being pursued now is purely mercenary and without any saving graces. If his memory is to be honored, it should not by by engaging in despicable actions in his name and thus befouling it. BSBD, Winsor I am not about to engage in a character debate with you [deleted]. What you clearly fail to understand that Tim is not and was not the only indivdual present at the accident. Why are you so helll-bent on attacking in individual that is not here to defend his reputation. Or that your style? Granted, if Tim had not been standing there, it would not have happened. In addition, had Rod initiated a right hand turn a split second later it would not have happened either. Lets face it. You have your OPINIONS and I have my VIDEO. Unless you have FACTS that can be substantiated please refrain from posting anymore of your [deleted] replies. Edited for personal attacks. Again.

__________IN REPLY TO________________________ Then (truthfully) why are so many businesses named in the lawsuit, Gary? ______________________________________________ I honestly do not know. I have no idea why lawyers name so many businesses or why they do half the things they do. But also keep in mind that not being party to the actual case. There is a lot that I don't know. With respect to the rest of your post. I agree 110%. Gary

Winsor, Winsor, Winsor. . . . . Post deleted. You may reply to the content of Winsor's post if you so choose, but you may not engage in personal attacks here.

____________________ quote_______________________ TRUTH: The FAA, law enforcement, family, attorneys etc. have viewed multiple pictures and videos of the accident. TRUTH: As the result of the above the TRUTH of what happened is known. _________________________________________________ Do you really believe EVERYTHING you are told? If so, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale. What first-hand knowlegde to you have of the incident? Please share. TRUTH: The FAA/NTSB still says he was hit with the tail-rotor. Do you believe that also? I don't persay like attorneys anymore then most people and the reasons they do things is beyond me. They do what they do and we jump out of planes. Why? you come up with a rational answer for both and you are a hero. I provided all the information that I have and can substantiate everything. I only ask that if you want to add something. Then make it factual and not just heresay or opinion. Otherwise lets just let it rest. Gary

And normally I would agree with you. But in this case the helicopter flew parallel to the runway with the runway on its left and corn on its right side. It never crossed the corn until it made its banking right turn. In addition, I understand what you are saying about the rotor blades dipping when the helicopter turns. But the helicopter had already been in forward motion for well over 100ft. Not only should it have been picking up forward speed, it should have been gaining altitude also. Impact did not occur until a right turn was initiated. _________________________________________________ If the pilot is flying past a wall (the corn basically was) he would not know what was on the other side of the wall until he was into the turn and the blades were dropped and the chopper was turning. _________________________________________________ I am not a pilot but I would think it is the pilots responsibility to know what is in his general flight. I somehow find it hard to believe that the defense of "I did not know it was there" is acceptable. Not to mention there was no obstructed view of anything. Everything happened in direct line of sight. Gary

It is not a matter of winning and profiting from this tragedy. It is a matter of ALL the truth coming out. I am Tims Brother-in-law and yes I am a skydiver. For how much longer remains to be seen. This accident knocked the wind out of my sails. I think that 50% of the reason I am in this sport is for the rush and the love, and the other 50% is because of the people. And people with respect to this accident have been to say the least "heartless". Virtually no one knows ALL the details, but I would like to think that I know more then most. Especially since I was taking a digital movie of the entire accident. Everyone praises Rod Tinney for saving the lives of his passengers. And I to have to agree with that. He did a remarkable job. Everyone says that Tim was told "NO" and then cut through the cornfield and jumped out the last possible moment. What no one wants to hear is that I have video showing Tim standing in the field for two minutes prior to the helicopter taking off. Not only from my camera, but also the video from Tims camera. This kills the idea of Tim cutting through the cornfield. As far as him jumping out at the last possible moment. Tim was hit 20+ feet from the corn. If he jumped out at the last possible moment then he should have been playing basketball for the LA lakers and not skydiving. Was Tim told "NO" and then did it anyway? I think that is a question that needs to be asked of Rod Tinney. You see, Tim was standing at the helicopter talking with him 3-4 minutes prior to lift off. Tim then walked in front of the helicopter and down the field to where he was subsequently struck. "YES" Tim was told earlier that it was not a good time to go down there since the FAA was standing there. A phone call I received after the accident leads me to believe that "YES" Rod did know that Tim was in the field taking video. But that is merely heresay at the moment. Dave, you mention that two of the three pilots you were sitting with had hit people with their rotor-blades. Please ask them if the were hit with the tail-rotor or the main- rotor. Here is another point. The main rotor blades on a Bell 412 are 11+ feet above the ground. Tim was struck in his midsection. Thus putting the main-rotor blades about 3 feet off the ground. In addition, Tim was struck over a hundred feet from where the helicopter lifted off. Please inquire with your pilots as to why a normally 11 foot rotor was so close to the ground so long after take off. Tim was also hit on the right side of the helicopter. The same side the pilot sits on. Please understand, I am not trying to debate this in this forum. It has taken me over a year to finally get myself straight and put the nightmares and constant thoughts of the accident behind me. I am not looking forward to going through it again. I am not party to the legal proceedings as I am only related by marriage. I am only posting this reply here because it seems as if the people in this forum are mainly decent and not at all like wreck.dot. After the accident a lot of allegations were thrown around about how Tim deserved what he got. "Tim did not deserve to die". Yes, he and I many times had conversations about how we have accepted that we could be killed in this sport. However, like most if not all, we assume if we die, it will be as a result of skydiving gone bad, not standing in a field taking video. To understand Tim you would have to have known him. Tim had to play by the rules, if he didn't he risked being killed everyday he went to work. He exercised safety in virtually everything he did. Tim had a funeral procession that was over 3 miles long with hundreds of cars. People lined up outside the funeral home to pay their respects to him hours in advance and hours after closing time. To this day not a day goes by that his family or myself don't think about him. This was something that should not have and did not need to have happened. All his family wants is ALL the truth and unfortunately legal action seems to be the only avenue to get it. I will continue to monitor this forum and post replies as I feel are needed. What I will not do is engage in character debate and I will ignore those who want to be ignorant. I still feel as though Rod Tinney is a very gifted pilot, but keep in mind that he, just like ALL of us are nothing more than human. And we as humans are prone to making mistakes. Gary D??

Unfortunately 2.5. I watched a team mate go in with a horseshoe first.. Then saw a close friend go in with two canopies out.. He is alive today by the grace of god, but will never jump or work again. (that is the .5). Watched my brother-in-law die last year. The last 2 years have been rough..

I NOTIFIED HER EX (KENNY) TODAY (THURSDAY). HE IS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT HER PARENTS AND TALK TO THEM.. THE LAST HE HEARD SHE WAS STILL IN MARYLAND. HOPE THAT HELPS. GARY DAUSCH

Well Opie, This is actually the first time I have read it. I may get on this site once a week to look at the headlines and to check the classifieds and auctions, but until yesterday, I have never read this forum. I toyed with the idea of letting a dead dog lie, but I decided against it and to add a little clarification to the thread. I am a skydiver at heart just like most of the readers here and I can empathize with how they feel, but this whole thing is out of hand. Readers not wanting to jump with me or blackballing me or wanting to injure me. The first post starts with a reference to "this may be a rumor". Well no shit, that is exactly what it is. I actually had an attorney approach ME, not the family, ME. And told me that I could sue if I wanted to because I never should have witnessed what I did. Well no kidding, but that is what I signed up for when I started in this sport. I watched a good friend die as a result of a malfunction two years ago, 1 year and 18 days later I watched another dear friend land under a malfunction and bearly live. He will never jump or work again. Two months after that I watched my brother-in law get killed because he was taking pictures. Hell, I guess if I wanted to sue I could be suing a bunch of people for mental anguish. But I am not like that. That is not part of the game. I hope this helps as to why I posted 9 months later. The thing I really want is the rain to quit so I can get back in the air. How about you? Gary

SO SOMEBODY STARTS A RUMOR AND THE REST OF YOU RUN WITH IT. I AM GARY DAUSCH. I AM THE BROTHER-IN-LAW THAT SO MANY OF YOU SPEAK SO HIGHLY OF. THE ONE THAT YOU WANT TO TOWEL WHIP AND BLACKBALL. ACTUALLY I FIND IT KIND OF FUNNY. THE WHOLE THREAD IS ABOUT AS ACCURATE AS THE NTSB PRELIMINARY ACCIDENT REPORT. FOR THE RECORD.. "I AM NOT SUEING ANYBODY". WHY DON'T SOME OF YOU LAWYERS TELL US WHY I COULDN'T, EVEN IF I WANTED TO.. SO IF YOU WANT TO BLACKBALL ME, KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT. IF YOU WANT TO TOWEL WHIP, "BE CAREFUL, I JUST MAY ENJOY IT". AND TO THE REST OF YOU. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ME "ASK". GARY DAUSCH C31964