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    .I believe it's the half-blacks who are gonna help us get past all of this




    :D:D:D:D:D


    Gotta love those half-blacks.....( fucking brilliant...i love americans!)

    :D:D:D:D




    Personally ill put my money on the all blacks!!! .....C'mon Richie ..GET IN THERE SON!!!
    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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    If a word is 'wrong' for one race/gender/religion/etc to use, then it's 'wrong' for all.




    except for every gangsta rapper out there...yo yo yo...It is to some degree fashionable...

    i have a lot of maori mates and they have started calling another one of our friends the Honkey ninja...it funny and all but would it be as funny if it got turned into Nigga Ninja.....i think not....
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    My porn collection is also fairly impressive.......



    I sincerely don't intend this as a personal slap, but I'm wondering if there is any connection between amassing a "fairly impressive" porn collection and sexualizing the photos in question.



    just didnt want you to get the wrong impression after you said i was preaching morals....


    My question is more centered around whether someone who collects porn has a distorted view of nudity, of women and of sex.



    Only if you squint at the TV screen:)
    Seriously though there is a lot of porn out there and can be a BIG difference between movies. Most i have where ones i bought with my partner straight sex, girl on girl, no ass splitting .....( the softer side of porn;):D:D).......

    This doesnt mean someone cant have a distorted view of sex from porn but not me....


    .......i dont think[:/]:P
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    The USofA has very prudish standards by Australian, and European standards.



    Do you mean judicially? .
    No i meant in the public forum ( i am not familiar at all with USofA Law).
    From my time spent in the states and from the images and shows we get here from there, The USofA censors a lot more than we do in OZ, and we in OZ censor more than most of Eurpoe.


    This seems unlikely to be true.

    Video games are a clear example to the contrary. And I recall a long time back that a PG movie like Gremlins got adults only ratings in many countries.



    The last GTA game they changed it so if you bought a copy in Australia you couldn't have sex with the prostitute and then they have done the same in the new game>:(.... In NSW sexpo is VERY censored...... They have closed down the majority of porn dvd shops in and around the kings cross area for selling porn that shows actual penetration....

    So Australia DEFINITELY censers just as much as the states...sometimes more.


    I guess i have come to the decision that we wouldnt even be talking about this if there wernt sick fuckers out there who take advantage of
    young kids for sexual gratification.... I guess i just grew up in the environment ( which would i would call anything but prudish)....where you where told to look at naked 12 year old girls was pretty fuckin sick....

    That is my major problem.... From day one we have been taught that
    having naked pictures of young girls is wrong.. ESPECIALLY if you where a guy....so i still find it hard to shake that feeling somethings wrong when i look at a some of his pictures.

    I still appreciate the majority of his work as art!...>:(
    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

  5. Firstly i have lived in Kings cross for a few years and to say its a bit seedy is an understatement!!!!

    I walked out there tonight expecting to see all of the usual crazies..Drunken shouting tracksuit lady, Jonny radio ect...

    There was not 1 homeless,crackhead, nutter......

    I am truley truly , for the first time in years AMAZED..... it was a bit scary really...where have they put them all???.......

    And earlier on i was involved in an incident between some Krishna's and christians.......it was some sort of religious danceoff....i think to determine the one true faith .....a surprisingly large amount of bystanders chose to join the hometown favorite....

    KRISHNA....KRISNA KRISHNA ....HARE HARE!!!!

    :D:D:D:D:D

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  6. ... But the arguments your making are the same a pedophile would make if he was caught with pictures....

    At some stage doesn't someone have to be judgmental??...And where do you draw the line???
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    the weird thing here is that you dont seem to understand that the issue is with YOU not the photos.
    The issue is with how you perceive them images.




    Guilty as charged suggestive pictures of naked 12 year old girls doesn't do it for me....so if thats a problem I have i guess its one i can live with....

    ....cheers for the concern though...
    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

  • What????...so you take great stick figures?.....congratulations!

    I know it can be an art form....for me though... i guess its a lot easier to take a great tandem PHOTO ....Rather than a great tandem PAINTING???......... Who knows, i just know that for some reason if those pictures that where a bit borderline had been paintings i probably wouldnt have a problem at all.....its weird...
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    I do find a huge difference in painting, sculpting and drawing these sort of images compared to photography.....im not sure if thats weird or not?.
    And i didnt have a problem with the majority of his work just a few pictures that i thought where a bit over the top.

    Not trying to preach though....and funnily enough it was a woman who decided to do the photo shoot of her 12 year old. I guess trying to show exactly what you have just described.
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    My porn collection is also fairly impressive.......



    I sincerely don't intend this as a personal slap, but I'm wondering if there is any connection between amassing a "fairly impressive" porn collection and sexualizing the photos in question.




    just didnt want you to get the wrong impression after you said i was preaching morals....
    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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    And i stiil want to know where the appropriate place is to hang a big picture of a fully naked slightly suggestive 12 year old girl!

    This is the part the keep being overlooked,
    YOU think it's Slightly suggestive. that mirrors more your moral preachings than it does an inanimate object.

    Because that's ALL it is it is an inanimate object that people place morals and opinions on. It has no real suggestiveness, the qualities of the image are ONLY those that PEOPLE (you) put on it.



    so by that definition there are no sexually suggestive pictures of children......bullshit....

    Have you actually seen the pictures that got taken from the gallery?

    got no problem with nudity at all and the suggestive the better if your
    18 0r over . My porn collection is also fairly impressive....... But my point is i know NOONE who, If i had one of the more suggestive ones on my wall, wouldnt look at me when they walked in my house like i was a bit weird....and i definitely wouldn't be getting any if i bought home a date to look at my artwork....

    like i have said before a lot of his work is pretty good ...

    but there HAS to be a line..... there are sickos out there
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    If I had a teenage daughter, I wouldn't want her posing for a picture in the nude, lying down with her legs spread apart and (what looks like) blood on her thighs. Most of his pictures don't seem to be like that, but I saw a few that made me think "OK, creepy photographer dude using art as an excuse to get teenage girls naked." But that's just my opinion.





    I suppose if you dont take the controversial ones you dont get talked about as much?
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    Well, we wouldn't have child pornography laws at all if it wasn't for some people trying to impose their morals on others.

    I don't think it's simply the fact that kids are naked in Bill Henson's pictures that has caused a controversy. I think that it is because some (very few) of the pictures are sexually suggestive pictures of children. It is subjective though, and I wouldn't call it child porn, but it's certainly more in that direction than your friends' nude baby picture is.


    As defined by who? Not by the courts,



    Thats the thing.... Unless its an all or nothing deal someone is going to have to decide.... Who????.....How can you expect a 12 year old girl to be able to make an educated decision on if she want s to pose, or how it may affect her in years to come (great if a schoolmate gets a hold of those)...

    So you have to leave the decision to the parent....:S[:/]...


    And i stiil want to know where the appropriate place is to hang a big picture of a fully naked slightly suggestive 12 year old girl...... Great conversation starter........So how long have you been a pedophile?....

    Wow THAT long.......and you havent been caught????

    .... Art you say....well i guess it IS hanging in your living room so what else could it be.?

    Just creeeeeeepy!
    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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    Having looked at a lot of his photos, I'd say that most of them are not at all sexual, and I don't see any problem with them. But I did see a few that I would categorize as erotica (not porn), that contained young-looking girls (~12-13 years old?), and no, I wouldn't want my teenage daughter (if I had one) posing for such photos. And those few photos I would say are on the fuzzy line of what is OK (I certainly didn't want to save them to my computer, because they might be construed as child porn here in the US), but most of his photos are not like that.



    I think thats why they didnt shut down the whole thing and only took the worst of them...

    You know there is some thing wrong with a photo though, when as soon as it comes up on your screen,you want it as far away from your computer as quickly as possible....



    .......and no trace on the hard drive [:/]


    BUT HERE IS THE KICK IN THE NUTS!!!!


    .... Taxpayers money hard at work!!!!!!

    A PROVOCATIVE picture of a naked six-year-old girl has been used on the cover of a taxpayer-funded magazine in protest over the treatment of artist Bill Henson.

    Art Monthly Australia magazine sparked fresh controversy over naked images of children by publishing an image of a six-year-old girl on its cover to protest against the recent furore over similar pictures by artist Bill Henson.

    NSW police seized a number of Mr Henson's photographs featuring near-naked or naked children in recent months, but were returned to a Sydney art gallery without charges being laid.

    The July edition of Art Monthly Australia published the cover image in protest at the "hysteria" over Mr Henson's work.

    It also includes several provocative photos of children posing naked in adult jewellery as well as naked teenage girls.
    n the editorial, Maurice O'Riordan said he chose the 2003 picture of the young girl in the "hope of restoring some dignity to the debate" and to "validate nudity and childhood as subjects for art".

    The image, taken by Melbourne-based Polixeni Papapetrou, is believed to be her own daughter.

    Mr O'Riordan, who does not have children of his own, told The Sunday Telegraph he did not care if it stirred community complaint.

    "I believe the image is of a six-year-old girl," he said.

    "Maybe this is bold, but I don't see the need to give in to that sort of hysteria or the prospect of complaint.

    "I couldn't really understand the furore."

    The artist, Ms Papapetrou, said she supports the use of her work for the magazine's cover.

    "We need to be clever enough to distinguish art from other types of images, otherwise we live in danger of eradicating any image of childhood in this culture for future generations to see."

    Art Monthly Australia receives more than $50,000 in funding from the Federal Government's Council for the Arts and lists the New South Wales Ministry for the Arts under sponsors and partner. The State Government has issued grants to the magazine in previous years.


    But this might be a little more accurate .......


    "We need to be clever enough to distinguish art from other types of images, otherwise we live in danger of eradicating any image of NAKED childhood in this culture for future generations to see."

    ?
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    Sanity has prevailed!!!!!

    The federal court has just unanimously overturned the 'annoying clause' on the grounds that it was not the intention of Parliament to empower the World Youth Day Authority to "make such vague and extensive limits to free speech".

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24022955-5016937,00.html
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world-youth-day/court-dumps-annoy-law/2008/07/15/1215887596459.html



    Good! Now go and annoy a few of them.


    :)
    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

  • Fair play.....

    Just wanted to find out the general feel of what you all thought about them...

    Can understand organizations going to far too, A lot of schools have banned all photographs by parents at there events over here.....[:/]

    Guess i cant get my head around a parent letting there kid pose for some of these photos.... Im guessing judging by the responses no-one here would mind there daughter doing this if she was 12?

    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

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    Good thing Michaelangelo isn't still alive; he'd be in jail for life.

    Having a nude picture of someone is not pornography. Having a nude picture of a child is not child pornography. We need a little more common sense and a little less in the way of knees jerking.



    I guess.... But if Michaelangelo was alive to day i think he would be doing something other than taking photos of naked children?

    Its just i saw a few of the photos and they where pretty full on....( granted im not an expert on art)...If they where paintings then there would be a difference in my mind.

    Surely you can capture the innocence of a 13 year old without having to see her vagina?
    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!

  • Bill Henson recently had photos pulled from a Australian Gallery. There have been a large amount of people speaking out condemning the puling of the pictures.
    Last week a female photographer displayed naked photos of her pre teen daughter in protest?????????

    What is going on [:/]





    Is it art or pornography to exhibit photographs of naked 12- and 13- year-old girls? That perennial debate was reignited in Australia yesterday, where police swooped on a Sydney gallery displaying works by the internationally renowned artist Bill Henson.

    Police confiscated 20 of the 41 images in the exhibition, hours before it was due to open on Thursday night. Well-heeled art lovers and critics arrived at the Roslyn Oxley9 gallery in the fashionable suburb of Paddington to find a police car outside and a sign saying the opening had been cancelled.

    The Australian Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, condemned the photographs as "absolutely revolting", and New South Wales police said they expected to lay charges.

    But respected figures in the art world defended the moody photographs, with their dark backgrounds, claiming they were neither "sexualised" nor pornographic. Judy Annear, the senior photography curator at the Art Gallery of New South Wales, said: "They're beautiful. They're very, very still. They're very formal, they're very classical. They're a bit like looking at an Ancient Greek Attic vase."

    Others noted that Henson – whose photographs are in the collections of all the major public galleries in Australia, as well as New York's Guggenheim Museum, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art and the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris – has been producing similar work for decades.

    However, police, who were alerted by local newspapers, said they had identified "items depicting a child under the age of 16 years of age in a sexual context". A 13-year-old girl, who has not been identified, is believed to be the subject of all the images seized.

    The local police commander, Allan Sicard, said: "Police are investigating this matter, and it is likely that we will proceed to prosecution on the offence of publishing an indecent article under the Crimes Act."

    It was not clear whether charges might be laid against Henson, or the gallery, or both.

    The gallery owners agreed to suspend the exhibition, but plan to re- open it, minus the offending images. Police are also investigating Roslyn Oxley9's website, where the photographs were on display.

    Hetty Johnston, a child protection campaigner, denounced the pictures. "It's child exploitation, it's criminal activity, and it should be prosecuted," she said. "These are clearly illegal child pornography images. It's not about art at all."

    In media interviews before the exhibition, Henson said that he photographed adolescents because of their humanity and vulnerability. He added: "You can't control the way individuals respond to the work."

    Mr Rudd's response was unequivocal. "Kids deserve to have the innocence of their childhood protected," he said. "Whatever the artistic view of the merits of that sort of stuff – frankly I don't think there are any – just allow kids to be kids."

    Police plan to speak to the parents of the 13-year-old. Hugh Macken, the president of the New South Wales Law Society, said a prosecution would only be successful if it could be proved that the photographs were designed for sexual gratification, rather than artistic purposes.

    The police action was denounced as censorship in some quarters.

    Michael Reid, an art dealer, said: "The naked body, whatever age, has been a subject [for artists] for thousands of years. The question is, was there consent, which I can't answer. And has the image been sexualised? In my opinion, it wasn't."

    John McDonald, the art critic for the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper, said: "To me, the big shame is that the only time that we start ... talking about art in the mainstream media is when it's banned, when it's supposedly pornographic."
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    I've not seen anything close to that... what sort of twisted porn are YOU watching?



    Uh, you did watch the video referenced in the original post of this thread yes?
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    And you think that is PORN??? You need to get out more mate....

    If i bought a porno and all it had where chicks firing guns ...I WOULD BE GUTTED......
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    Uh, not exactly helping to fight the stereotype of guys equating guns with sex. Not that it's an original concept, chicks posing with and shooting guns seems to be recurring theme with calendars and magazines, but holy crap that's blatant.

    If that's what it takes to get your rocks off . . .





    Must be an AMERICAN stereotype im guessing!!!!!!.....I know when i look at a gun i dont think of sex....



    if i see an extra hot woman........ but she is holding say... a child ...and i still get the horn.

    Does that make me a pedophile???? ..... NO!
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    Why in the world would you want to bother these people?




    I dont and i wont..... Its only kids man!.....


    But as was said before.....even if i wear a t-shirt that ive had for ages that has no profanity on it but makes a joke about god if i walk past a police man today.....He can arrest me!.......and then fine me after keeping me in custody for fuck knows how long...

    :S:S:S:S


    And i LOVE that T-shirt;)
    .....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!!