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Wish it had only been anecdotal evidence found while researching. Unfortunately, working at a school I have seen child after child totally screwed up on medication. And I have known them long enough to see them get bounced from prescription to prescription, disorder to disorder. Have you ever seen a child on chemical cocktails of antidepressants, anticonvulsants, uppers and downers to regulate biorhythms, and usually one ore two more just for the cherry on top. It is scary. What is really scary is that a lot of the time the child was prescribed those one after another (countering side effects of the previous drug prescribed) because the parent just "couldn't handle their child". Disgusted that when the child is later taken off the medication he is like how he used to be, and he isn't that bad. The parent just didn't have the time or patience. Are there disorders where medication is the only recourse? Yes, of course. But when the DSM-IV-TR is so heavily loaded towards the medical model, and the corners that get cut in diagnosis, you end up with alot of kids on heavy psychoactive drugs that shouldn't be. But hey, of course there isn't anything wrong. Nothing wrong at all. All diagnosis are made perfectly. If something goes wrong it was the kid's fault. Excuse me now, I need to go sit in a corner and think now. Thank you for putting me in my place and making me understand. Any other worldly knowledge you would like to pass on? _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Deleted because obviously the concept of what a system is and how a system is used being different is just too difficult. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

I'm not saying that something shouldn't have been done to her. But I would imagine it would have been a pre-trial agreement involving community service and likely anger management. Edit to add: Actually, I'm not sure they didn't offer her a deal and she was too stupid to take it. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

I think that you and I have different definitions of diagnosis. As far as I am aware, untrained individuals pretty commonly are the first observers of symptoms, e.g., coughing of bronchitis, flu-like symptoms, pain of a broken leg. A diagnosis is done by someone who is supposed to have some advanced training. Yes, the diagnosis itself is made by someone who is supposed to be qualified. However, as I said they are often BASED on observations by untrained persons (parents teachers). This is normally done by comparing the results of questionnaires (that have doubtful accuracy) from teacher and parent. However, not even this is always done. I have seen cases where a teacher simply informed the child's physician that the child had AD/HD and that was it, prescription written. I am happy to see that they are making headway in accurately detecting true AD/HD, however, ability and actual application are still divided. As for the "60% don't check school behavior records", yes I can pull that information back out as I recently just had to research this. It was a survey of pediatricians and physicians, also noted in the survey was that only 38% actually bother to look at the DSM-IV-TR. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Yes.. because speeding tickets are handled in the felony courts... oh wait, thats right, they are handled by the traffic courts. This however, was a felony charge. Felony courts, you know that place where murderers, rapists, etc get sent. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

In research, you MIGHT be able to get PET or fMRI testing for ADD/ADHD tho good luck getting it approved. I may very well be wrong, but I have NEVER heard of those tests being done for a diagnosis. Most ADD/ADHD diagnosis are based almost purely on natural observation by UNTRAINED persons (parents and teachers). In 60%+ of cases the doc doesn't even look at school records. Teachers and parents are given a little scale to answer questions on and thats that in most cases. There are too many variables left open in this. What is the rest of the teacher's classes like. If he/she has a year or two with particularly frustrating children he/she may be more predisposed to exaggerating the behavior, same with the parent if they have a stressful home/work situation. Also, it isn't that its just suddenly turned fashionable to bash the methods of diagnosis. Its just hard to keep turning a blind eye to something that is being done wrong. For instance, it isn't that uncommon for a child to be diagnosed with ADD/ADHD when they actually have childhood onset bipolar or some such. And the medication they are given actually aggravates their actual problem. Also, alot of these kids will end up on chemical cocktails of prescriptions as they simply load on more drugs to see what will fix problems AND the side effects of the drugs they are already on. Please realize that there has been VERY LITTLE research done with children as it pertains to neurochemical imbalances. Hell, they only just recently admitted that giving SSRIs and other anti-depressants to children/adolescents can cause suicidal ideation. There IS a problem. And yes, ADD/ADHD is often the most misdiagnosed disorder in children these days. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Now work that in with your Nietzsche quote. But seriously, the law is the law, yes. However, laws get struck down or modified because of ridiculous cases like this. The mere fact that this actually made it to court speaks to how much time they have on their hands in that county. In Chicago, unless an accident actually occurred due to the "missile" ice cup, it would have been thrown out . And then someone would have gotten their head torn off because that bullshit had just cost the county several thousand dollars for no reason. My father, who is a supervising public defender for Cook County's (Chicago and suburbs) felony courts, has seen State's Attorneys ripped new assholes by judges for even THINKING to bring something like this to court. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

woot. killed EVERYBODY _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Well... as science fiction has a way of predicting future science... im guessing they will take over the world and destroy mankind as we know it. So... I want them not to do that. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Yeah... I've had the no bottom bun treatment. Went back in and showed the manager who looked like he was about to cry. Same McDonald's my father ordered a chicken sandwich... they forgot the chicken. Tho.. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. When taking the ASVAB for military entrance, I hadn't slept in like 3 days and was still a little drunk. Scored high enough to get any job they had meanwhile I found out almost everyone else there either just barely passed (passing is like 30 out of 99) or failed horribly. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

What I want to know is... was Prince really the best act they could dig up? That is pretty sad. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

An "extremely qualified person with 20 odd years of experience" who is giving out information that is dangerously wrong. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

I love the stuff. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Marble flooring I stayed in a villa in Greece that was entirely marble... god that thing was beautiful. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

I'm more afraid of the people who need warning labels... like "HOT" on McDonald's coffee to tell them not to stick a paper cup full of coffee between their legs while driving. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

would you rather feel a bit of pain... or possibly find out if there is an afterlife? _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Who would be next? The Philippines is already being prepped from what I understand. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Hey, at least you have a girlfriend!! which is why he has no money for food _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Yeah.. cause you know everyone except smokers are perfect human beings. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

heh. expenses up front most private lawyers will say you have a case. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

4th pic "You just can't WIN" I like it _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

Its a form of sensory adaptation. Your brain is expecting the stimulus and will normally ignore it. Kind of like how most people can't tickle themselves. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

I do. I certainly wasn't raised that way, but I guess I just like to think you get what you give out. Show people respect and you will get it back. Cops have pulled me over for a broken turn signal wanting to search my car. By the end of it they shook my hand and thanked me for being a gentleman. (I was driving a beat up car, wearing a biker jacket, with long hair, I didn't look the part of a gentleman) I've actually gotten out of EVERY single encounter with the police by being friendly and showing respect. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

hrm... had you had a beer before studying? We tend to perform better on tests when we are in the mental state we were in while studying. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard

I used to feel bad about the slaughter we (the USA) have done to the English language... not so much now. _________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard