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This I can't know/deny. My wrist friend and I call it "blown out ZP" and is nothing new to us. Two years ago he drove blown out Fandango 120, which is (not was) flareless no matter what. In your posts there's a word "provided that this or that" several times. Whether years or jumps or bad maintenance made it lost intended performance. How do I know why? I thought it must be fabric. From my experience Turbo ZX205 (800 jumps used) that I flew before, is having considerable less flaring capabilities then current ZX185, which is newer (300 jumps used) :) I still preffere less jumped canopy, I can jump Saphire2 20 jumps old WL1.55 but I can NOT jump Turbo ZX185 1000 jumps old WL 1.3 No way You all agree that current use of WL doesn't say enough, the time will bring some news to it (I beleive) I just wanted for all of us to add on WL - canopy jump age, at the time it seemed reasonable by Jump number - You're old&wise, me so young Thanks to all for your time! Sunset skies What goes around, comes later.

So, planes are out of topic 'cause of their stady zporosity, I agree. Tell me the same about ZP canopies - I'll give up. Don't you preffere Cobalt 135 ft² better when it's new instead of 1000 jumps old? I do! Why is that? When somebody tells me his WL I'd like to know the condition of his canopy, so I could build reacher picture of a jumper. That's where I'm going with this. What goes around, comes later.

Yes but think about two of a kind, say Cessna 172, the older one has Some porosity in wings. It seems to me that newer wings fly safer Can we call it then equal WL? What goes around, comes later.

I saw a friend breaking wrist by landing an old 120sqft, WL 1.89 - With a newer canopy, same size, less blown (!) he is safe! I used to fly old canopies with WL 0.9:1 and comparing to those I consider myself safer now on newer fabric with WL 1.3:1 I'm saying couple of things: - don't be afraid of higher wingloading under better fabric - you don't need to say your WL is 1.5:1, it's allways :1 so it's enough to say WL 1.5 - I'm suggesting that maybe we should include canopy condition with a color mark Example: I used to be less safe with WL 0.9 Red then now with WL 1.3 White. Fabric condition may/does influence performance. Maybe riggers can qualify it with a color I can elaborate more but I preffere you do

You see, there's a difference between your WL 1.5 and my WL 1.5 Oh yes, we're flying the same canopy but yours is much newer! That's why my suggestion came in order. What goes around, comes later.

You're flying WL 1.55:1 I am suggesting you say "WL 1.55 red" if it's a 1000 jumps canopy or "WL 1.55 white" (it's a new zp fabric) or "yellow" (it's in between) Let the riggers decide if it's White, Yellow or Red It takes one to know one! (please declare yourself) !!! this is no joke !!! Red Skies (sunset) What goes around, comes later.

Collegues, ALL of you, rain on you! I used to beleive that skydviving world is kinda dropzone, ONE zone! Don't u have a fat guy, a bully, a skinny, a bastard, and some cool guys @ ur dropzone? EACH of you, at any/every dropzone??? and now what? You're gonna discuss it? lol Please try to diferentiate Bad/Stupid/Ok Jumpers/People/Polititians/Hookers/Babes in countries/continents/dropzones/clubs Oh Please, with sugar on top!