peacefuljeffrey

So, I checked Snopes.com

They had this to say

I like this part, especially. What a lying, stupid ass that Robert Altman is. Note where they say he denied his statement even though it was filmed.

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Robert Altman, who had since re-interpreted his previous remarks, was disinclined to offer further comment:

Second up the gangplank was the film director Robert Altman, the man behind such films as Short Cuts and The Player. "If George Bush gets elected President, I will move back to France," he told reporters at the Cannes film festival. "He's not a very smart man. He's been put up by his father and a bunch of cronies." Despite the fact that this statement was caught on film, Altman later denied making it. He meant to say, he said, that he would move to Paris, Texas, "because the state would be better off if [Bush] is out of it".

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Giulliani? you must joking!! Mr. Family morals who had an affair and dumped his wife. The guy cann't even practice what he preaches. He is a self absorbed media hound. If that billyclub stroking bastard ever becomes president, I'll leave the USA for the duration of his stint.

And then if it happens, and you don't leave, you can say that you never in fact said that, like Alec Baldwin.

I don't like Giuliani either, you know. And I detest Hillary Clinton. But I'm not making crazy statements about whether I'll move away while she's in office. It's just setting yourself up for being called full of shit.

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Finally I am posting a picture of the cat my girlfriend and I took in as a stray.

She's a little hellion, even with an atrophied right forepaw, but soooo sweet when she cuddles in bed. We can tell the difference between her and Feather because when Wee comes running, she makes a ta-domp ta-domp ta-domp sound...

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or, if Americans pronounced it like they pronounce aluminium, it would be tie-TAY-num

We don't even spell it that way here. No wonder you pronounce it "aluminIum" -- you have an I there that we don't have!

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I got to thinking, if the word is based on "Titan," then it should be pronounced "Tie-TAN-ium," but it is most common to hear the other pronunciation.

What do you think?


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No punchline here, just information:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4750320.stm

I think that the main difference is that Sunnis try to kill mainly Shia and try to minimize the number of other Sunnis killed in the blasts...

...while Shia try to kill mainly Sunnis and try to minimize the number of other Shia killed in the blasts.



Hey, what the fuck did ya want? You posted this in Speakers Corner.

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Dude, just hire the Mob to help you out. They'll take care of the guys threatening you...for a nominal fee ;). Unless they are the mob, then you're screwed...no one defeats the Mob!

Actually, "Stingray" is the man you want.

Or the Equalizer with his Jag...

Or, if you can find them, The A-Team!


When he actually went ahead and said that he wanted a grenade launcher, and that bullshit about the law in Florida meaning you can just shoot anyone you are worried about, I took this thread to be a total farce. (Actually, it started a while before that.)

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But there would be no point to having a GAY GUN SHOW, would there?

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I think there would be Pink Pistols

Isn't this the second time someone raised the idea of the Pink Pistols as a specious and cynical attempt to confuse the issue between an advocacy group and a "gay gun show"? Can you not mentally separate the two?

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I was not the person making an issue out of it

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you started this thread.

The entire quote, which you selectively dissected, was, "I was not the person making an issue out of it. I was questioning why others think it is a big enough issue to make a sexual-orientation-related-special-event day at a skydiving dropzone. Remember?"

Why clip it where you did, except that the rest of it made clear that my quote actually didn't support your line of attack?

The fact remains, I was asking why people felt a gay boogie was justified because I myself do not -- no more so than a white-guy boogie would be. (Notwithstanding all the bullshit about how "white guys" get all the good stuff all year long as a privileged class and so don't "need" a boogie for white guys.) I was not making attacks on gay people, and I was asking why people had to make a big thing out of sexual orientation instead of just having it be part of who a person is, like anything else about them.

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Given your use slanderous comments towards gays, I highly doubt you're just as happy to jump homosexuals as heterosexuals... if you are, feel free to come to the boogie.

Oh, the only way that I could prove it to you would be to go out of state to the boogie? Sorry, no can do. Besides, why would I go to something I don't really like the idea of (in principle), just to prove to a bunch of people who clearly don't like me much that I'm not bigoted against gay people?

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I expect "Peaceful" Jeffrey will soon do the same.

Also used to be that continually mocking someone's username was considered abusive and insulting and wasn't tolerated either.

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Oh wait. I'm wasting my time here. I forgot you ALWAYS ignore posts that actually ANSWER your questions. Silly me.

"You... you... you... always... always... always..."

I could swear it wasn't long ago that someone said such comments generally constituted personal attacks and they should be avoided...

I guess it depends on who's doing it, and how much favor they curry.

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Given your use slanderous comments towards gays, I highly doubt you're just as happy to jump homosexuals as heterosexuals... if you are, feel free to come to the boogie.

Get a clue, dude. Do you think I'm going to keep insisting and insisting and insisting that I am completely friendly to gay people until you believe me? I couldn't give half a shit whether you do or not. I know what is true of myself. I didn't make "slanderous comments toward gays." What did I say that is outright "anti-gay," anyway? Did I call them offensive names? Did I say they should be relegated to second-class citizenship? Did I say I wish they were all eliminated? Did I say I wouldn't want to be on a plane with them? WTF, man? And anyway, if I wrote it, it would be LIBEL, not "slander."

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Oh wait. I'm wasting my time here. I forgot you ALWAYS ignore posts that actually ANSWER your questions. Silly me.

Nice.

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The guy who wrote that is a big, doofy jerkhead!

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I'm still wondering what your opinion is of the POPS, Chicks Rock, or JFTC. It really would help to clarify my answer. If you are against all of them, it's consistent, and easy simply to disagree with and leave it alone.

When I have more time. I'm running to get ready for work.

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But, well, we had the thread well hijacked; a lot of opinions were read and talked about. I don't think it was heading back on topic until you brought it there.

Are you saying that the thread hijacking is a good thing?

My own opinion is that if you want the thread hijacked so that it no longer discusses the subject of the thread, what you really ought to do is just stop posting to the thread. Even I would stop posting once I had addressed whatever remaining posts I had an interest in replying to, if no one was continuing to post in the thread.

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The opionions were standing. What are you looking for from the thread? A groundswell of agreement? It doesn't look like it's coming.

The irony is that over 50% of the poll replies said that they don't like to see skydiving divided along those lines. We won't know who responded that way -- and maybe a bunch of them demured from posting replies because they feared being smeared the way I was -- as intolerant, or belligerent, or pig-headed, or just stupid.

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Um, no, I'd prefer not to be ridiculed or ostracized for stating my views.

Nobody's ridiculed you for your views.

However, you HAVE been ridiculed for stating your views in outrageous and beligerent ways.

Maybe we should attend a workshop on that together. You can buy me a beer afterward. And I can dump it on... Wendy's head!

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Sorry for his remarks about your religion (assholes seem to have higher fertility rates and therefore breed faster than good people for some reason).

I'm avowed areligious, pretty much atheist. And while I deplore religion, I still recognize that for us to call this guy and people like him "assholes" just because we disagree with his prosylitizing (holy shit I don't think I spelled that right...) reflects very badly on us, too.

Let's remember, it's only because we see him from outside his worldview (and that of other religious people like him) that we think he's wrong and acting improperly. Others from his church may think he's a hero, doing "God's work.

It's a very subjective thing, to call him and other religious people "assholes". Can't we disagree with his actions, and even his thoughts and beliefs, without calling names and ridiculing? We can simply constrain our discussion to whether it is appropriate or not for a cop to make religious overtones a part of how he does his police work.

I personally deplore what the cop allegedly said. I think it has no place in the police precinct. But is he an "asshole" for holding views like he does? Dunno. From my point of view, probably. But mine is not the only point of view, now is it.

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-- where no matter whether I've said something sensible or not, they come out and give me shit.

you love it too.

Um, no, I'd prefer not to be ridiculed or ostracized for stating my views.

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I think you've pretty well pre-conditioned people to automatically personally attack you on any post you make - even the good posts and even some of the more even keeled people.

Many times people make attacks on my the back-way, by saying, "This kind of post says a lot about the poster." (Gee, what kinds of things are we hinting it says? Probably the kinds that would get someone banned if she typed them.)

So I would ask you now, my posts get people so riled, as you say, that they just can't help posting personal attacks against me? And that's my fault, nad not "speaking volumes" about them, and their lack of self-control?

At least you've noticed that people have descended to that level -- where no matter whether I've said something sensible or not, they come out and give me shit.

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> My view is not allowed to stand and be validated as my view.
>It has to be torn down and ridiculed.

No one would have commented on your ideas had you not asked them to. I should add something to the warning at the top of this forum:

WARNING - if you ask a question on this forum, people may answer it!

Bill, people didn't just respond to the question, they made it about the personalities. Did you not have to warn people about doing just that?

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If your girlfriend is a non-skydiver, has she ever gone to the DZ with you? If so, why? Would you consider going to a chute & shoot boogie, where canopy accuracy and rifle accuracy determine a competition winner? If so, why?

Blues,
Dave

She has gone with me twice to the dropzone, but was a bit self-conscious. That's an issue for her and me to deal with. She also has a medical condition with her ears that may prevent her, unfortunately, from ever skydiving.

A Chute-n-Shoot? I'd love it. But that is not the same thing as a boogie based on sexual orientation, race, gender -- the things that we're told we are not supposed to factor into who we like or associate with or hire or whatever.

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Jeffrey, there are people who disagree with you.

Deal with it, live with it. Disagreeing with you does not make them stupid, or even wrong. Sometimes there is more than one right answer to a question.

Wendy W.

You know what, Wendy?

I don't recall telling anyone they were stupid or wrong or idiots because we disagree about the justification for a gay boogie. But there are plenty of people willing to get really nasty on me, and their clear implication IS that MY view is "wrong" and that I must be an idiot for thinking that way.

So there's a root of hypocrisy going on here. My view is not allowed to stand and be validated as my view. It has to be torn down and ridiculed. Answer this: are the people who are having it out with me here following your advice? Are they leaving me to have my view, and "dealing with it" and "living with it"? Nope.

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Bill, I'm not here making statements to ridicule people -- I'm calmly trying to zero in on my views (it's not always easy). Of all people, why are YOU coming back at me with nasty sarcasm?

Using an analogy to get to the heart of an emotionally charged issue is most effective when the analogy used is a calmer, easier to digest example. The goal is to get people to calm down by looking at the analogy rather than the main subject.

So I didn't use a Rehmwa Official Size and Weight Approved Analogy (tm) so it's not valid, I guess.

Where do I mail my official apology?

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Maybe it was about the idea of justifying something that is not right, simply because people "want it."
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You have yet to explain what is "not right" about people with a common interest (besides skydiving) getting together to socialize and skydive.

Blues,
Dave

Divisiveness. I didn't cover that?
Exclusionism. I didn't cover that?
Paying attention to differences instead of just thinking of us all as skydivers. I didn't cover that?
Thinking that skydiving is where you should be trying to find your next screw instead of skydiving. I didn't cover that?

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You're right. Slavery is just like a gay boogie. The Constitution does not refer to slavery anywhere. Slavery was not a black issue. Heck, everyone but you is an idiot to not realize how evil and wrong this boogie is.

How is it that people go straight for the subject used in the analogy, instead of understanding the analogy itself?

Nowhere in there is an equivalency of gay boogies and slavery. The point -- you all are, indeed missing it -- is that people wanting something (a popular demand) is not necessarily the measure of whether something should be.

Bill, I'm not here making statements to ridicule people -- I'm calmly trying to zero in on my views (it's not always easy). Of all people, why are YOU coming back at me with nasty sarcasm?

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