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Article I begins with the phrase, "Congress shall make no law . . ."
Article II does not.

Amendment II says that the right being discussed within the text of the amendment "shall not be infringed."

I take this to mean even GREATER protection than "Congress shall make no law," since "Congress shall make no law" leaves open-ended the issue of, "Well, then, can the states make such a law?"

No infringement means "by anybody." There is NO body that is entitled to make an infringement, if no infringements at all are allowed.

---Jeffrey

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The points you make illustrate the irrelevance of 2nd Amendment for its original purpose. No way you and your buddies with the best rifles and handguns and knives ever made will fight off a rogue government equipped with Abrams tanks, A10s, Apaches, smart missiles, Vulcan guns, etc.

History also shows that despotic governments can always find people to fight for them.

The fallacy of your argument about the "irrelevancy" of the Second Amendment is that you assume too much about the type of fighting that would take place in a "war for freedom against our own government."

I have seen this subject given very good treatment in threads on talk.politics.guns.

Some of the major problems with your vision of this type of battle follow.

If it were "government army against armed civilians," many of those army personnel would be expected to and ordered to fight against their countrymen, friends, family. If we're hypothesizing here, let me hypothesize that the battle is joined because citizens have had enough of oppression from the government. Perhaps we've edged too close to martial law, too many civil rights have been eroded. Arms are taken against the government. Well, the government does not manufacture much of its own stuff. Food, clothing, arms, equipment. Private sector stuff. That's to say nothing of the ease with which armed citizen guerrillas could frustrate and destroy supply lines.

We have plenty of access to gasoline, bottles, matches, even flint-and-tinder. Molotov cocktails would be more common than Pepsi.

Yes, the military has tanks and F-15s. Humans have to drive them. Those humans come out, they bathe, they eat, they are vulnerable to sniper fire. You can't hole up in a tank and stay there until the end of the war.

Many civilians are ex-military. My brother, for instance, would be able to fire TOW missiles if such an armed Humvee were captured -- and such capture of materiel would be inevitable. Guerrilla raids on outposts or convoys or encampments or patrols could be continually scoring more and more armament, food, fuel, etc. Think of the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, using clubs and knives to get a few handguns, then using the handguns to get still more. And we're much better armed and trained than many of those Jews were, who had never handled guns and had lived as though they would never have to. (Such is the shame of modern society, btw. Most urbanites couldn't even start a FIRE without their Colibri lighters!)

Willingness to fight would be a major issue. We have a population of around a quarter billion, but a military -- spread all over the globe -- of what, 2 million or something like that? Sure, not all 248,000,000 are adults ready to fight, but what if 1/4 of them are? Even 1/8! That's a lot of guerrillas! And the idea of troops firing Sidewinder missiles or depleted uranium 20mm shells at hometown America? At the Empire State Building? At the corner store? Just to eradicate guerrillas that scurry like roaches and regroup somewhere else? We think we're having a tough time stamping out Hussein loyalists, who kill a handful of our troops every day? Try stamping them out when they're your own countrymen, your own family and friends, they're well armed, and killing them will require that you make your country a wasteland. So your Hellfires and Phoenixes and Sidewinders and TOWs and all that stuff won't be of much use. The more the government used those against mainstream American targets like movie theaters and apartment buildings and landmarks and everywhere else guerrillas would hide, the more unpopular the government forces would become, and more and more fence-sitters would come to understand just what the rebels' objections were all about. They'd join up when they saw the government using F-15s and B-1s against some pocket of guerrillas in their town! Either that, or they would completely knuckle under and live under an oppressive regime that no longer was making any secret of its totalitarian nature. (I mean, we'd be talking about all-out war against citizens by that point, yes?)

I hope my point is clearer. The Second Amendment is not irrelevant. Beyond that, it still has relevance to PERSONAL SECURITY even if it were useless as a defense against tyranny.

While fictional, the movie Red Dawn demonstrates, further, that the utility of an armed populace is not necessarily functional against despotism from within. What if, through everything from defense budget cuts to low morale to being spread too thin to, well, combat casualties, we need a citizen militia to fight off an attack from outside? Americans armed under the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment are a backup army. (And after all, our founding fathers did not want us to have a standing army at all in the first place! What we have now would horrify them. Though in today's world, they'd probably see the necessity for it.)

Even if the militia were thoroughly discountable, I want my right to own guns so that I can effectively defend myself. The government cannot protect me in my day-to-day life, so no other justification is even necessary. It's my job to provide for my everyday safety.

---Jeffrey

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maybe i m not normal, however, i realised that after every single jump i just want to have sex. does it come from the fresh air at 12000 feet...? or from the adrenalin that flows in my entire body every time i catch my breath and pass the plane door...

I often wonder about that, as well, because I feel sooooo much more sexual when I skydive. It goes deeper than just feeling more sexual, though...I actually feel better about myself. I feel more sexy and alive. I FEEL more of EVERYTHING...

Yeah, that goes a long way toward what I was gonna say. A day of skydiving doesn't make me noticeably hornier (I'm always pretty horny, thinking about sex on a moment's notice and very little impulse required -- but like so many, no current GF to do anything with) but it does make me just feel generally good, and positive, and happy. I sometimes get the same way from certain songs, played loud, and also from certain smells. When that kind of feeling comes on, it makes me wonder sometimes just what life-state I was in moments before... "coasting"? It's like I find myself asking, "If I'm happy now, what was I just then?" But then, since I'm happy, I don't dwell too much on it and I just go with the happy.

---Jeffrey

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The first few years of sobriety pretty much sucked.
The last 5 have been the best years by far.
Hands down the best. Not even a close contest.
I have more fun now on a bad day than I ever
did on a good day hammered.

I dont miss it

That is sooo cool to read! I'm glad for you.
I have a few friends who have had very nasty trials with substance abuse of various types. I've never done drugs (apart from a few sporadic whipits) and I simply could never drink enough to have a problem with it (since my stomach really detests alcohol), but I try hard to not let myself feel special, because it's one of those "there but for the grace of god go I" things. When people have been through that stuff, and come out in control and sober, I think it's awesome and beautiful. Congratulations!

---Jeffrey

Music fans should check out www.boxelder.com

This is a band from Jupiter, Florida, playing groove-rock with some reggae influence. Really awesome vocals, plus great instrumentals. They have a tight sound, but also they do amazing jams. Sometimes all five guys take some percussion and do a drum-circle thing right in the middle of a show.

There are free song downloads on the website, and you can order their CDs, so no excuses. (They've self-produced FOUR really good albums.) The music is upbeat and all about loving life and each other. It's what I listen to when I drive out to my DZ for a day of skydiving. Please check it out, 'cause I think you'll really like them.

Peace,
---Jeffrey

Well, we have some poisonous snakes here in Florida, but I've never seen 'em. So the way we get revenge on our banks is by filling a bus with old people, driving them to the bank, and telling them there's an early-bird buffet inside.


---Jeffrey

I've done some NY-FL miles in my time, now.
In '94, my brother and a friend and I drove my brother's stuff to West Palm Beach from Smithtown, L.I. in one shot, straight through. Man I was fuckin' miserable on that trip. I wanted to sleeeep!

Somewhere in Georgia or so, we were in tandem (me in bro's CRX, him and buddy in the rental van behind me), and some cars ahead and some behind, about 3 or 4 a.m., pitch dark out... cruising at 70 or so down I-95... and out of the dark ahead of us come headlights... IN OUR LEFT LANE.

Some fuckin' psycho was coming toward us in our left lane, doing about the speed we were doing, right at us in the middle of the night. Fortunately everyone around us, and we, were in the right lane. (Interstate travelers seem to be the only people who still honor the "keep right except to pass" rule of old.)

We never found out how much farther back down our side of the highway this piece of shit made it, but I hope he didn't kill anyone but himself. And it was a good while before we got to the nearest exit he couldn've gotten on from...

When the buddy and I returned in the van to L.I., we made the trip express with one food stop in 19.5 hours (1300 miles). When we left West Palm, I was driving, and I didn't let the needle below 90mph until around Jacksonville. I have no idea how I didn't get a ticket or arrested going that fast for that long straight.

In March 2003 I went back to L.I. for a week's vacation, and I drove my Subaru there so I could go snowboarding (first time back to it in 6 years). I left WPB at about 4:30 p.m. on Sunday, drove to visit my ex girlfriend in St. Augustine and arrived around 8:30. Stayed til around 11:00 or so, and drove on to exit 97 in NC by 7:30 a.m., where I fueled up and then slept in the car til noon. Shopped at the JR outlet store and then at lunch at Denny's, and made Smithtown by 9:30 p.m. First thing I ate was a greasy cheeseburger deluxe at a Greek diner. Ahhh, home & heaven...

I once drove from home on L.I. to S.U.N.Y. Albany, 200 miles door-to-door, in 2 hours and 45 minutes. That's an average speed of 70-something -- which includes toll booths, local traffic, etc. I was in my dad's '84 Trans Am, and all the way up the Taconic parkway I had the needle buried past 85. ALL the way up. And there was a light dusting of snow falling. That was a great trip, but I'd never do that again. I was 18 and stupid then.

The next year, my brother swung down from Ft. Drum to get me in Albany, and he toked-up and slept while I drove us in his CRX home to L.I. through the snow on the Taconic. (This is a four lane highway with hills, curves, no lights... beautiful cruising road, like in the old game "OutRun.") I was doing 55-65 through about three inches of snow, passing the plows while bro snoozed. It was one of the most exhilarating drives I've ever done.

Then as a senior, I once used an entire half tank of gas just going wild doing donuts in the snow in the mall parking lot with a chick friend. Ahh, youth!

---Jeffrey

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Another "Easter Egg:" The sunglasses in Buck's pocket bear an eerie resemblance to the same shades Christian Slater's character sports in True Romance.

Alot of shots of Uma's feet: reminded me of the first time we saw her in film, i.e., when she grabbed Anthony Michael Hall's nose with her toes in Johnny Be Good --not however, a Tarantino film.

Well, if I had to guess, I'd say that Tarantino has a foot fetish. He sucked the toes of a stripper in From Dusk til Dawn... The story about the Mrs. Wallace foot massage is discussed at length in Pulp Fiction... Mrs. Wallace's feet are in focus when she and Vincent get ready to go out in Pulp Fiction... Uma's feet again get closeup treatment in Kill Bill... I think Quentin's trying to come out about something here...

I think Uma's feet are kinda tweaked a bit, yeah, but not so far gone that they're "ugly." And yes, it could very well be from keeping her toes cooped-up in pointy-ass fashion shoes that her toes all point inward like that. Kinda like that Chinese stuff they used to do. (The weird thing is, they supposedly did foot-binding because it was to make the feet small and pretty, but it ended up making them deformed and ghastly. Ever see a picture of a bound foot without the binding? It's GROSS. Could turn a foot-man into a breast-man, it could.

---Jeffrey

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I just wanna say that I have no business posting in this thread. But I want you to love me and accept me anyway .

Blonde hair and a face like that, and she's worried about being accepted!

I'm not wasted. Totally lucid. Hardly ever drink, so you're in good company. I love chicks, drunk or sober. (You can put more over on the drunk ones...)

---Jeffrey

My brother was kind and insightful enough to give me the 4 DVD set of "Firefly," a science-fiction show that was on Fox last year, as a Christmas gift.

I had seen some of the episodes, and not others, and there is a never-seen episode on the set. It is AWESOME. The show was phenomenally good, and I don't get why they canceled it. It was far better than that Babylon 5 and half a dozen other throwaway shows that made it into repeat seasons.

Any fans of Firefly here?
(The theme song is where my sig quote comes from, btw.)

---Jeffrey

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When Article II was written, the framers had absolutely no concept whatsoever of the rapidity and lethality of modern weaponry.

If you wish to argue what was or was not meant by the word "arms", then even with all of the evil ideas I've posted above, I'll allow you absolute and total unrestricted access to as many muzzle loading, flint-lock weapons as you wish to purchase.

Fine. I guess you realize that you've just relegated yourself to telling us about this by putting quill into inkwell, quill to paper, paper to envelope and sending it by pony express to several thousand people, taking weeks or months to get a reply. After all, the framers of the Constitution had no idea that you'd be able, with the press of your return key, to send the same propaganda to potentially millions of people around the world.

So if you want to tell us that the framers foresaw recognizing only our right to flintlocks, since semi-automatics were many decades away, and therefore we are guaranteed rights only to flintlocks, then I propose that in order for your logic to be valid, you are not guaranteed the right to any MEDIA technology that did not exist in 1789, either.

So now I expect you to abandon that line of argument real quick, without a word.

Arms for personal defense or use in a militia (note I said "OR") are still of the same nature that they were in 1789. They're safer for the user (and those around the user), they're more reliable and longer-lasting, they're more accurate, and yes they hold more ammunition. But they are still tools that must be used with some degree of knowledge and skill, and they do NOT turn their users into some unstoppable supermen.

"The rapidity and lethality of modern firearms?" What, you think getting hit by a half-inch diameter musketball made of lead is so preferable to a copper-jacketed slug of .38 inch?

If you appeared to know anything about guns beyond what you find on the HCI website, it would be much more fruitful debating this stuff with you. Alas, you don't.

I find it very telling that you say, "I'll allow you absolute and total unrestricted..." I find that it's typical of liberals to think of themselves as the keepers and dispensers of rights and freedoms, like we all enjoy these things at their pleasure. Even if it's an unconscious tendency and you don't realize you're doing it, I think it demonstrates the underlying pervasive attitude liberals hold regarding rights and freedoms.

---Jeffrey

The rig I just bought has a blue and green hacky handle, but I knew even before I bought a rig that I would want to make a Monkey's Fist for it, since I have known how to tie the knot since about '94.

Well, surprise surprise!: I had not thought about it, but all the Monkey's Fists I've made before (and I can virtually do them eyes-closed) were THREE turn Monkey's Fists. The ones use on rigs I've seen are NINE turn ones. When I tried the first time, the thing ended up being a tangled mess and I gave up.

I had to rig up a frame of bamboo barbecue skewers to keep the turns organized. Even with this, the thing was verrrry challenging to finish. I tried a few weeks ago, failed, gave up until last night, and then started one last night and finished it today. Whew! It's actually pretty cool. But since I used a golf ball as a core (per a rigger's recommendation), I think it's a little heavy, so now I'm going to do another one (it's part-made now) with a foam practice golf ball.

I want to know if anyone else out here has experience making Monkey's Fist throwout handles and has a smart way to make a frame for holding them, or a source that sells such a frame.

I would also enjoy responses about what kind of handle you have, and is it a throw-out or pull-out pilot chute?

---Jeffrey

Everyone's already said "relax," so I don't need to. I'll add "BREATHE." You'll be going to about 13 or 14,000 ft. AGL. The air gets thin up there: take a lot of it. If you hung around long enough up there you'd get euphoric and then probably die or somethin', so don't be shy about breathing deep. My AFP instructor, Dave Cole, used to put his hand on top of mine, hold it and pick it up as we breathed in slowly, lowered it down as we exhaled slowly. We did this three times, then on the third exhalation he would make the hands spiral slowly down. It was a great relaxation aid, and I do it with others now. I think that people are happy when you remind them that they are not breathing normally -- and there's nothing like a skydive to make you forget to breathe normally, especially if you're a bit nervous.

So breathe, breathe, breathe, slowly and deeply. It will help you stay relaxed. Also, when you go into your arch, don't turn rigid like a Pringle's potato chip because it will make you wobble instead of form to the airflow. (I did that on my first couple of jumps and it made me a bit nervous.)

Have a great time!

---Jeffrey

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I'm on student status and just hit my first bad day of Skydiving--------or should I say lack of skydiving.
I got to the dropzone early on Sunday and was looking forward to knocking off a few aff levels but the winds were buzzing 15-20 . I waited and waited but no change. It was good to watch and learn as the experienced jumpers delt with the conditions, but getting bumped still sucked. I know as a newbie that this situation is bound to happen again. Just wondering what any of you thought about it and your best advice to deal with it.-------------

I'm not long past student status myself. I was told not to jump (read: grounded) a few weeks ago by a guy I know and trust implicitly -- J.C. Perren, master rigger, instructor examiner, etc. He told me to look at the winds and watch a few loads. Sure enough, the more I stood near the wind sock and thought about it (and watched the wind sock dance back and forth, up and down) the more I realized Shit, I don't want to jump in this! I had driven an hour each way to simply watch other skydivers jump... but you know what? Maybe if I'd pushed the issue and jumped, myself, I coulda been killed in an accident. I don't know that I wouldn't. I found that I can handle getting bumped if I think about the fact that "better days are comin'." There will be more days, with better conditions, and that's when you'll jump.

It's very easy to want so badly to jump that you will disregard the small voice inside you that says you should not. It's a blessing to have experienced people around you who can prohibit you from taking a chance that could take your life. I have NEVER resented any of the experienced instructors who said I was not to get on a load because of winds. I smile inside because I know they care enough to give me bad news, even when they'd rather give me good news.

---Jeffrey

P.S. That said, I made a pretty stupid "fly/no-fly" decision on 17 Dec., on the centennial of the Wright Brothers' first powered flight. I HAD to get up and fly that day, so I did. The winds were NASTY rippin' from the northwest, anywhere from 15-25, and gusting to 45, I was told. I took a friend from Lantana to Pahokee, FL, a half-hour trip. Taxiing was a bitch! I was actually WORRIED that the winds might really take the plane and ground-loop a wing. I spent the whole flight wondering how it was gonna be to land. We got to Pahokee, I overflew and checked the wind tee, and it was well off the runway alignment, and the sock could not be seen from my altitude. I chanced it. I landed and the plane wanted to skip off the right side of the runway. I'm pretty sure I was at or beyond the crosswind component for that little bitty Cessna 152. I taxied with the wind behind me and parked on the ramp. The people in the FBO could barely believe I'd flown in this; they were the ones who told me about the 45mph gusts. I was relieved when the plane was still right-side-up when I went to leave Pahokee.

When I started her up, and tried to turn around with the wind coming from my left rear quarter, I very nearly could not turn the plane to the right! The vertical stabilizer was catching wind from the left rear and trying to turn me left (into the Super Otter!). I had to roll forward very gradually and get some momentum so I could get the nosewheel turned, and then it was a fight between the nosewheel on the ground and the stabilizer in the wind. Eventually the nosewheel barely won. I was incredibly relieved after takeoff. Landing back at Lantana wasn't as bad, since the wind was not far to the right off 27.

I am proud that I flew and landed without incident, but I sure was taught a lesson on bravado, hubris, whatever you want to call it. Just lucky that the lesson was learned so cheaply. Coulda cost me lots.

So hang in there on the days when high-timers can jump and you can't. Eventually you'll be one of them, looking back on those olden-days when you had few jumps, and there'll be new students around you and you'll be telling them it's better to wait.

Good on you!
Communists are shit stains.

---Jeffrey

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Man, this one surprised me more than the posts about guns...although,as you say,

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Skydivers tend to be up-to-speed on the latest and greatest gear

And those blue handled knives were amazing....But what do you all mean by 'daily carry knife'??

I could see having one of those hook knives mentioned.....

But 'peacefuljeffery', what is your 'peaceful' motivation for such a large collection? Just curious, not being sarcastic here guys...

marc

You just reminded me: I forgot to list that I have a Benchmade Rescue Hook. The only reason I don't have it on my rig is that the nylon sheath it comes with does NOT -- repeat NOT -- hold the knife securely. It is possible for it to fall sideways out the side of the sheath where there is a gap. If I find a better sheath I'll put it on my chest strap where I currently have a cheap hook knife that my rig was sold to me with.

As far as "peaceful" motivation to have knives, or "so many" knives...
There is no non-peaceful implication to owning, carrying and using knives as far as I'm concerned. Peacefulness and knife/gun ownership are not mutually exclusive. It's all in the intent, my man, all in the intent. I don't go about harming people. I stand ready to do harm in defense of my safety and my life, but not preemptively, no sir.

Most people you know have very lethal knives with blades longer than six inches -- of a kind used with great frequency to kill others. Yes, I'm talking about ordinary kitchen knives. No one questions the peacefulness of someone who has an 8 inch bladed chef's knife, but that'd be a more lethal knife than my Spyderco "Military."

Personally, I admire the utility, sleek lines and durability and craftsmanship in a quality knife. You should see that Gunting I listed. The think is built like a tank! I also forgot to list my Benchmade AFCK, which has gorgeous lines.

I hope your curiousity is satisfied.

---Jeffrey

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pistachio pistachio

Sweetie, let's get married! That's the flavor that does me best, too!

---Jeffrey

I jump without shoes
Nothing between feet and sky
All should be this free

This is FUN!

---Jeffrey

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On Weds. Feb. 4th they're going to cut my head open. No big deal, just an incision and a couple of drill holes through my scull. Yeah right!

Folks, keep jumping out of planes...just stay away from stairs.

Chris

Hey, there are lots of other ways to get one's head cut open -- if I had to have it happen, I'd opt for surgeons doing it!

I don't know you personally, but if you're here, you're family, so I hope everything works out well for you and you return to full health. Best wishes.

---Jeffrey

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Of the three programs evaluated, the NRA Eddie Eagle Program best met the criteria."

And I'm not really doubting that.

What I'm sort of doubting is that you can really teach anything about mortality, reality and consequence to a preschool child. With that said, I question it's actual effectiveness.

A child who is taught in the Eddie Eagle program to "Stop! Don't Touch! Leave the area! Tell an adult!" does not need to necessarily have a concept of mortality. All that is needed is the normal respect for parents' authority. If that means they know a spanking will follow if they do not adhere to instructions, then it's a workable program. If they know that a week without t.v. will follow, that's all that's necessary.

Who cares if they understand WHY they're being told to not touch guns? If some threat of punishment generates compliance -- and it does, with this program -- who cares why they comply? It's success no matter how you slice it.

---Jeffrey

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Hey man welcome to the sport sorry I did not get to know you at the boogie. But I,m sure we will meet at SOBE some time perhaps this week end

Carlos

Oh there were a LOT of people I would love to have gotten to meet and hang with at the Boogie. Not to worry, as you said, I'm sure I'll see a bunch of you all again. SoBe is shaping up to be a real fun DZ.

Thanks, everyone, for the welcome-to-the-sport.

Hey, does anyone know the name of the red-headed girl who was working as a packer during the boogie? I had a passing hello or two with her but never got a full introduction. Dunno where she was in from, either.

Hey, if you want to find me at SoBe, I'm usually there on Sundays and sometimes Saturdays, and you'll know it's me because I never have shoes on, and I have a long ponytail. Usually I'm messing with paracord to make necklaces, or I'm frustrating myself trying to pack my main into my d-bag. (Still having trouble there, but getting lots of good help and advice.)

---Jeffrey

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because intelligent voters know that gun control is abject stupidity and futility interwoven into a nice faggotized doily.

I am very surprised that the moderators allowed you to get away with saying "faggot".

I didn't mean it to refer to "gay" in any way. If anyone took offense, I apologize. It was a result of my lack of articulation when I was looking for a word to mean "all milque-toasty and cowardly and useless and limp and ineffective." Sorry.

---Jeffrey

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Lets see. I think I cover all your bases.

I have a couple of Spiderco's - a big Civilian which I carry quite a bit, and a smaller one on my tac gear. the Civilian is big and intimidating.

A couple of Benchmade's - a CQC-6 and a Darkstar, both that I carry occasionally.

A few high-end custom folders that I dont carry cuz they're too pretty and too expensive (I'd cry if I lost one). My current fav is a new one I got from Theuns Prinsloo, kifemaker out of South Africa. Its Beautiful!

Got a few custom swords but you didnt ask about swords...

JC

KEWL! I just received a new Dark Star only two days ago, of course I had to put a real edge on it last night because for some reason some Benchmades don't come real sharp. I love the name of that knife, that's really why I got this one in particular. I have the DVD movie "Dark Star," John Carpenter's first movie (s.f. spoof). Also there's a Grateful Dead song by that name, although I don't actually know the song.

Here's a list from memory of the knives I have currently:
6 or 7 Spyderco Delicas, some combo, straight, old plastic clip, new metal clip, one in blue FRNR
1 Spyderco Walker Linerlock
2 Spyderco Vesuvius'
1 Spyderco Bill Moran Featherweight
1 Spyderco Copilot
1 Spyderco Navigator
1 Spyderco Military (combo edge)
1 Spyderco Gunting (combo edge)
1 Benchmade Nimravus Cub
2 Benchmade Mini-Griptilians (combo edge)
1 Benchmade Dark Star
1 Benchmade 100SH2O dive knife (yellow hi-bright handles)
1 Cold Steel Spike neck knife
1 Benchmade TK-1 tether knife (neck carry)
2 CRKT Neck Pecks (neck carry)
1 Becker Knife and Tool CU-7 large-ish camp knife
1 Ontario Spec-Plus Navy knife
1 Leatherman Wave
1 Leatherman Squirt
2 Timberline Mini Pit Bulls
1 Kershaw Vapor
1 Kershaw Vapor II (*nasty* serrations on that one)
1 Buck 110 (a classic, I guess)
1 "Air Force" knife -- early one-handed-opener with a big tab for the thumb to move
2 Buck Gent mini folders
1 Swiss Army (Victorinox) unknown model, numerous tools
1 Swiss Army (Victorinox) Timberland? (unsure of model name) has thumb hole w/ lock blade (edit: it's called the "Trailmaster.")

Geez, seeing this list makes me wonder why I feel like I still need more knives! Have never bought a custom because I don't want to spend money on something I'd never ever entertain the thought of using (although some of my moderate knives listed above never see use).

I plan to use the overpayment balance my dentist alerted me to for a Spyderco ATR, which may be the last knife I buy for a good long while, except maybe for a Chris Reeve Sebenza. I just wish the Sebenza had a Spyder-hole; then it would be the absolute perfect knife.

Glad to see that so many skydivers know, own and use so many good knives.

---Jeffrey

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Have you tried banging a whole bunch of fish and drinking like a chick?

ROFLMAO!!! Classic!!

NO JOKE!!! I'm STILL laughing!

---Jeffrey

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I see you're attempting to unite with no stated goal. Liberal organization at its best.

A suggestion for the group: take back your party. A worthy goal, the achievement of which would greatly benefit the nation.

Hmm, stated goals:

Progessive system of taxation.

Realistic, historically consistent national security policy.

Support for public education.

Realistic consideration of family planning.

Not sending our troops to war unless absolutely necessary.

What part of that agenda do you object to?

What?! A liberal agenda with no GUN CONTROL at the top of the list?

Oh, wait, that's right -- they've decided to keep that part deathly quiet because they know it cuts their throats in every election because intelligent voters know that gun control is abject stupidity and futility interwoven into a nice faggotized doily. Nope, we don't expect to hear dems singing the mantra of gun-control for at least an election cycle or two. This does not mean they haven't given up their grand, useless experiment in voluntary victimhood and unilateral disarmament: just that they know everyone hates them for trying to force it upon us.

It's far too late for the dems to save face while at the same time admitting that their insistence on useless bans and restrictions has never made anything one iota better or safer. They'd rather go down with that particular ship, apparently, and I say good riddance. That's what happens to people who are too small to admit they were wrong and go with what makes sense, even if it was the other guy's idea.

---Jeffrey