KrisFlyZ

Simply chasing after the slowest average fall rate will only cultivate bad flying habits.

Learn all flight modes between trying to get the slowest fall rate to spending a segment of the flight trying to fly to some place. It is just like making a turn, think about it(I want to go there) and the rest of the stuff is intuitive.

Anything close to 50mph is a good.

I don't know who these top pilots are but no one of your height and weight has flown 32mph average(from 13k to 3k) in a classic suit.

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Keep your money for the time you will wish to fly a "Giboline" someday, if this one comes. I'm working on it mate!

Blue Sky, fly high and most of all: have FUN!

Aloha!

By all means, prove me wrong. I'll gladly part with the money

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I am speaking about balance for speed and glide. If that suit can do 3.7 with that pilot in no wind, I will pay the manufacturer £500. How about that? Fair enough?

3.7 is more than anyone has measured in a competition. No one has proved flying 3.0 in no wind. It is natural to be skeptical.

Brand wars? Robi won't sell me a suit. So what company do I represent?

Kris

If I were you Id rather take that back. Glide 3.7, but how long?

Thanks for the advice .

After consideration of that I have raised the amount to £1000.

Kris

I am speaking about balance for speed and glide. If that suit can do 3.7 with that pilot in no wind, I will pay the manufacturer £500. How about that? Fair enough?

3.7 is more than anyone has measured in a competition. No one has proved flying 3.0 in no wind. It is natural to be skeptical.

Brand wars? Robi won't sell me a suit. So what company do I represent?

Kris

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A 2D shape does not make a design unique. It(balance) is a constraint if the required outcome is a suit that is easy to glide in.

The 'Gibolin' suit as I interpret from the pictures, has implemented the obvious next step of improvement on balance. Smoother wing materials.

Kris

Just saw a better picture of this suit in flight(on the basejumper.com website).

The balance if the suit is all wrong. It looks nothing like a V 1/2/3. More like a S1 with V suit arm wings and a Rigor Mortis style attachment and butt deflector.

Would like to see some backing for claims of the 3.7.

Kris

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Its awesome seeing soo many wingsuit developers/designers, but sometimes its hard seeing the innovations and/or improvements on current designs already out there..

A 2D shape does not make a design unique. It(balance) is a constraint if the required outcome is a suit that is easy to glide in.

The 'Gibolin' suit as I interpret from the pictures, has implemented the obvious next step of improvement on balance. Smoother wing materials.

Kris

Cool! Were you flying at Headcorn? Had to miss it due to an injury.

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photos of the under surface of the wing will look uninfated due to the external air blasting against it photos of the top surface will look puffy for lack of air blasting against it, der! take a look at the photos in your example the ones that you claim to have great inflation are just photos of the top surface and the ones that have bad inflation are just photos of the underskin

Neither picture is presented as an example of great inflation!

How well an inlet works depends on how much of its opening area points into the relative wind.

In the attached picture, the inlet is marked in red. As one can see, how well the inlet works depends on how much pressure the pilot puts on the wingtip.

It is always better to fly relaxed than tear the wing apart. Look at the leg wing in the below picture(overextended.jpg). That is an example of how not to do it .

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ok Loic can out fly anyone in a small suit, but we're not all 6.4 and 130 pounds [a guess
I'm a little, fat, old man.... do ya think I would have won a distance event in a small suit?

A real wingsuit competition(one that is a test of pilot skill only) would be one that tests the skill of the pilot.

This example is like Drag racing vs racing in Finland(anyone see that episode of Top Gear?...or fellow Finns help please!).

Drag racing : put loads of money(area in wing suiting) into the car and win.

Finland : Race is around a kind of like a rally circuit and at the end of the race any competitor can walk up to any other competitor and buy their car for a predetermined amount(like $1000). It keeps the competition honest and only a skilled driver will be able to win. Maybe that's why Finland has a history of producing great Rally drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_Finland

For wing suit competitions to be tests of skill only, there would need to be too many weight and height classes to make it practical. And there would need to be restrictions on suits area or have an additional round where the pilots swap suits.

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max tracking in a wingsuit is a very subtle thing, sometimes you seem to "get it on" real nice and other times it just isn't there, that's skydiving for you I guess.

That seems to be a popular notion. To each his own.

Great flying(bet Yuri wouldn't go near it for his D/L Hall of fame) and fantastic video.

As far as companies taking advantage, don't blame them. It's not personal, it's just business.

Don't turn in your videos/edits to someone without specifying your expectation on the credit you expect to get.

In fact, get some kind of a written agreement even if it is just an email on your working arrangements.

Kris

Or atleast use the winds aloft forecast instead of using ground wind data. Every DZ has that information.

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and the wind comes forward in a convertible the same way ah

Drag coefficients of Convertibles and coupes of the same model car tested experimentally and published as part of the specs. Which one do you think has more drag?

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The glide ratio's are over 3 to 1 in distance race's these days, how can you say that's not an improvement?

He's the world's best whiner, he can say whatever he wants.

His whine/contribute ratio is pretty high actually. W:C approaching infinity.

Did no one else see the original post as funny? Considering this reaction was known to be certain.

Kris

Good effort dude

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its my gravity engine actually... very high HP. When i farted the dyno broke so I i cant give you the actual performance numbers~


On another note, the arm wings arent really small, they actually move the moment of thrust inboard, while reducing the drag which is induced by the trailing edge of the armwing, due to moving the attachment point from the outboard of the armwing to about the midpoint, so when you max the suit it induces less drag than other suits. if that didnt make any sense, think about it.. lol mornin all..

Don't you want more drag when flying a wingsuit so you could get more lift?

Drag

The good thing about this suit is that its balance is different. As far as having lesser drag, sure it will have lesser drag than a suit of the same area and balance that a suit with a planform like the other Tony suits(other than the SM-1 XS) due to flying a shallower angle.

The idea of making the wings to match the rig thickness was done by the JiiWings guys on their GS1. Unfortunately, adding thickness to reduce drag is not a good idea.

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What's new?Pf did that before a year..

Right around the time they did the Stealth?

Grow up man

There is only so many ways to arrange wingsuit area around a human form.

He's being sarcastic.

There is no 'new' suits left to make. Just new to the manufacturer.

Awesome!! Very nice implementation of a suit with a faster speed balance.

Only if you turn off the backlight

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Warning!!! drunk speaks..
ok....all the technological talks about airlocks here and prezzurisation there...
The bottom line is
I bet a skinny jumper with a old BM GTI will outfly an fat PhantomII flyer

We'll let you off this time because you are drunk Mack!

Next time we'll refuse to make suits for you.

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Airlocks are only needed for acrobatic suits to lock the opening on the upper surface and serve no purpose on regular suits.

A few years ago I would have agreed with that but after flying suits with simple locks that are made of materials lending to increased torsional cell stiffness and the locks effectiveness, I'm going to disagree.

My comment(was unqualified...my mistake) is limited to one design of airlocks(for hole in the wing inlets).

Is this opinion based on flying the same design with and without the airlock?

Jarno,

As far as X-bracing goes, that is to reduce deformation and maintain a thinner wing shape.

Airlocks as far as my knowledge goes were introduced to make the canopies handle better in turbulence.

As for better pressurization and arm strain, I have been saying that since 2005 .

Having an airlock on an inlet for a wing that has

a) Vent at the root or at the wrist (you know the design I am talking about, can post a picture if needed) and / or
b) Is not air locked at the sleeve

is wrong on priorities.

Inlets work best when most of the opening area faces ( is at 90 degrees to) the relative wind. Airlocks are only needed for acrobatic suits to lock the opening on the upper surface and serve no purpose on regular suits.

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When talking about freefall times, the tall peeps with bodies resembling that of someone with a terminal illness will have a big advantage, but glide-ratios...not rally..

No Really!! That is how it is.

It is no conspiracy

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The aim of the expert and the pro-fly is tension in the suit, this is the way it has been built, inflation is there to give a nice shape to the suit.

Sure.

Unless a zillion ribs are added any wing that pressurizes well will deviate from the design airfoil shape in between the ribs.

In the attached picture, only one state(black airfoil shape) is shown. If the tension is released on the wing span, the airfoil will inflate and take a shape like the shape drawn in green.

Relaxing the tension will also allow the trailing edge to be lifted up by the air etc etc...but that is a different discussion.