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man i remember that feeling .... ws is a piece of cake - and once you have done it all the money all the credit all the driving around and travel to the dz will be worth it. the road in my view is a lot safer and shorter than becoming a very good free flyer or swooper. i dunno i scuba when i travel and stuff and its cool and all but seriously doesnt compare to skydiving. you dont even really need to bother buying scuba gear - just rent it as you go (mask and essentials aside) - you will only travel with scuba gear once in your life - IT sucks. i can see how you think both are out there and perhaps out the box experiences but they are totally different - you will realize soon enough! good luck with your journey - be safe - follow the rules ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

looks like an interesting design - whats the scoop guys? ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

i do its a great solution - if you need pictures pm me ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

hi lurch - sorry i should have worded better - for the record i freefly a lot and mostly head down. both tunnel and sky so im all for experimenting. there is a distinct difference between swooping in on a formation because you are light or exit late and need to pick up vertical speed and flying static grips or head down in a wingsuit. they are two totally different things. anyways i meant its a contradiction because a rational person would think that since you can fly longer and more importantly FURTHER in a wingsuit that it would be the main goal - going head down you fly shorter and you dont move horizontally! but to each his own - just be carefull when you come out of a vertical orientation is my only advice - the wings will cause a severe change in fall rate which is the MOST dangerous element of freeflying in my mind. so rather learn to free fly head down before trying it in a wingsuit and not the other way around. happy dayz ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

hehe classic... to see why its dangerous - check 4min : 30 sec in that video ... awsome video justin - really cool ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

bit of a silly dicipline head down wingsuiting ... almost an oxymoron ask taya she had some clip of her and jeff and someone else exiting head down in a flower and then getting smashed in all directions when the pressure got too much.(its on vimeo under heading my summer or taya or something like that) if you dont find it PM me and ill look for the email she sent it to me on - quite long ago. i wouldnt recommend it for anyone not highly skilled. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

what do you mean your arms snap open really hard? ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

i wouldnt waste my time opening and closing the locks, unless its a hot day and im stashing some drinks inthere. i think more solid wing is better - you can adjust your body if you are doing acro and its not like its IMPOSSIBLE to close the wings when you barrel roll or whatever. flocking i would highly recommend having the zippers closed - you want as little as possible movement from ur wing once you have settled into position in a group. also you want all the drive you can get out the wing on break off. come to think of it - i dont think i will ever fly without the locks in place - someone else might have a diff opinion but i cannot really see how you can justify flying with the zips open. like i said its easy enough to get enough air out to pull or trasition. i think skymonkey said he likes unzipping for backflying - you can do that but you will offcourse struggle to learn to fly it once you decide you want more performance backflying and close the zips. he is quite a light person so he would have less trouble than someone weighing in at lets say 80-90 kgs. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

nah i jump a stealth and i also did in the 71 way flock and its fine - your quite a light guy so smaller makes sense - i like the range of the stealth - esp when you have an OOPS moment and you are low or have pushin and shovin exit and need some range - but to each his own, there is no one suit that works for everyone - i think after watching the deliberations on these threads for the best part of 2 years its safe to say we can alll agree that we dont agree! i do also have about a 100 jumps on a XS and i will DEF not waste my time trying to flock that ... stealth and sm2 i see as the standard size suit for any competent ws pilot with experience (yes that is vague i know). every persons experience will be different so ill share mine - i fly my stealth alot and mostly at the same dz with my neptune on my hand - far from a perfect science to measure but thats what ive got, i can get to 40mph for ave fairly easily (ive done more than 1k ws jumps so i know my body by now) and with good breathing and relaxing i can hit the 36/38 range - that is my absolute best - ive never had a fluke 32 or something like that - when im flying on that fine a performance line every little thing makes a difference - small swings in balance, the micro timing of the ossilation of forward drive and then lift - every single thing makes a difference. I must be honest I am not convinced that these minor differences in design is going to change the performance sygnificantly (i think working a specific group of muscles in your body will give you better performance personally) and thus its not really justified to buy a new suit. I might be wrong and if I am i will happily demo the new suit to find out. If you are buying a new suit for the first time then its a different story. my 2c. airlocked suits dont flap. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

i wouldnt recommend unzipping the leg wings - mega flappage esp on XS. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

commenting on second youtube clip - i like your deployment secquence - very cool - obviously you dont want to get any closer than that! ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

Maybe, but then you failed in terms of being a 'professional'. Anytime you limit yourself to one single position (or manuver) to stay with your tandem, you limit the shots that you can get. Given that every tandem is different, the best angle to shoot them from will be different. If this doesn't match the one option you have, your video will suck. This is where the wings come in. Even if the tandem does 100mph, the video flyer could do 90 with a set of wings, so the video flyer ends up with options. They can sink, or float, move left or right. Lots of guy can do 100mph on their belly with no wings, but they cannot manuver at those speeds with any degree of quickness of accuracy. I would love to see you shoot a tandem video with the wings in your picture. I think the best part about it would be after the opening, when you take a 30 second delay, and fly past all the open canopies from the load, and deploy right over top of the DZ. dude - of course you cannot shoot tandems in the biggest wingsuit on the market - damn i have 1000 ws jumps and i can hardkly fly the thing properly! but the flyby after would be sweeeet! as for being proffesional - tandem is about a routine for me - ie there is a sequence of events in the film - ie exit shot high shot carve under shot, sit up shot close, transition shot, transition to back shot carve shot, deployment shot. its all about what you want to do and how youwant to produce your dvd. there is no right or wrong way - the same as there is no right or wrong way to get your body to fly at 110mph - someo do it back flying some do it belly flying, some do it with wings some without - there are no rules - all that matters is the quality of your shots in the end and if you can produce them consistently. anyways - happy shooting boys - im off the tread for now! ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

well its really up to your skill level and it depends what shots you are doing. you can backfly pretty slow you can also sit fly leaning back all the way with your arms as brakes pushing wind from behind your - you can carve slower than any flat flyer. not everyone can do that though - its all what you are happy with - wings are def recommened esp when you start. some of the best free fall photographers still wear wings and big ones at that. if you are sitting static in fron of someone then yes i agree wings will help if you are heavy and the tandem is light. i cannot help but spot the irony given my profile pic ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

a major thing which no one has brought up yet is i suppose it makes a big difference whether you simply belly fly all your tandems or if you can freefly (backfly, sitfly carve). belly vs freefly has a lot of range differences. the better you freefly the less the need for wings imo some people might feel different ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

WOW nice shot! that really cool ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

what jarno said ... ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

no - we did a 8 way with smoke - he is too fragile for a tandem ... would have been awsome tho! ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

and thats not acceptable... ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

yeah ! exactly - its crazy. i suppose 5 years ago VRW was also thought of as impossible... gotta love progression ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

The classic example is flat-spin. The classic example, though not the correct answer. Flatspins are created by the legwing, and a heavy upperbody (people usually instinctive pull their arms in, when they encounter a spin). This your body is a propellor. A heavy lump in the center, and a spinning blade (the legwing). Cutting away the armwings will make a flatspin worse. You're only creating less drag/counterforce on your upper body, giving the legwing (which is spinning you) more and more of a chance to put you in such a spin. Taking the legwing out of the equation (closing it/arching/balling up) is the correct action to undertake, and this will stop the spin within a second or two. Always use a standard 3 step recovery - arch (banana/lazy delta position) - ball up (when first one doesnt work) - pull (when you're getting low, better under a canopy at 4000 ft with 20 linetwists, than wrapped in a reserve canopy at cypres altitude) Cutting away wings is not really part of a succesfull recovery to stable freefall, besides for some people being a mental 'now Im free again'. The cutaways/sleeve systems are there for canopy related situations, where the need to free ones arms up arrises quickly. Be it spins, evasive actions (base), jammed zippers or correctable canopy malfunctions. In case of a cutaway, the yellow cables also shouldnt be used, and one can go directly for the cutaway. The wingsuit cutaway cables are cheap, dont spend too much time or effort holding on to them, if a situation arrises where you need your hands free for other things.. i recently had a flat spin on exit in a XS suit ... i dont think alot of people fly them so its not really that important but the usual balling up ect as you discussed doesnt work in that suit! scary YES ... you have to counter steer the spin with your shoulders, balling up still leaves the big extending tail wing inflated. what worked for me was counter steering with my shoulders and tracking out on my back very steep, going head down and then over to belly.. i agree with all previous posts regarding cutting away being a bad idea in a spin, its should be an ABSOLUTE last resort. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

hi dude - i have more than 1000 freefly jumps and also a ton of freefly tunnel time. i also have about 1000 wing suit jumps and i am a wing suit instructor. i know exactly what you mean in your question - ignore everyone that are being harsh and critical - people are people. the thing with wing suiting isn’t so much flying the wing suit (when you do the first flight course) - thats the easy bit! esp if you have good body awareness and airtime. Its a lot more about the gear and the deployment. deployment is esp important in wing suiting since you have your arms movement limited (except in the new tony suits) until you unzip them and secondly because you have a giant big burble behind you also waiting for that one lazy pull to swallow your pilot chute. these issues are both deployment related and by far in my experience as a coach and wing suit flyer way more important than the actual flying (for beginners). you only learn about deployment and deployment body positioning by actually doing it! is 200 deployments enough to learn what you need to know about body position and general awareness during deployment ? perhaps ... one thing to also think about is that the highest probability mal function you will experience in a wing suit (esp in you first 200 flights) will be a spinning line twist. being sharp and on top of your deployments will help you deal with the situation when it arrives, good luck ! ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

wow lucky me! im in switzerland with some base friends for 1 - 19 aug...i guess my trip will be a bit longer now! ill be there to come take some pictures and get footage and fly flocks! awsomeness anywhere i can get more info in english? ps keep the list going and start a new thread on L.O. 1. Zun 2. Sylvain 3. Airowpoint 4. Gert (one of my seven second-best Facebook friends!) 5. Gadget (Hans on 5th position - how could this happen?) 6. xnawakx 7. redfox 8. Patrick de Guillebon 9. Alain 10. HagenAngelic 11. Pierre (south africa) ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

hi thats at skydive capetown! awsome - such a great place to fly wingsuits !! ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

i own both and have a few 100 jumps on both. they fly exactly the same for me the only diff is the cut away systems. the new TS sleave is awsome but some people might still prefer the physical cable cut away on the Stealth. Personally I dont have any preference on either. Both technologies work well. I wouldnt base either. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~

thread is beginning to sound like the wing suit forum - brand wars ... glad its ended.... ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~