JoeWeber

'Someone came up with this in the 70's - It's all your fault if you don't vote. Well, Joe. It's not. If NOBODY voted there would still be an electoral vote and if they didn't vote, congress would vote." Well, you might be new but I was there in the 70's and it's as true now as then. Bottom line is that you will also own the electoral vote and, if it ever happens, what congress gives us. But you just go on voting for the American Minority Party, local, state, and federal, for whatever set of reasons justifies your vote and then when the shit is really about to hit the fan hide behind the 'ol your vote don't matter trope.

You are absolutely the wrong guy to have that position. I don't that doubt your opinion is respected in your daily circles and can be persuasive. Not voting for either is a vote for Trump, don't kid yourself otherwise. If a few others don't vote owing to your opinions and Trump is elected you will own that. Given you are a smart man I am starting to wonder if that's what you really want.

At 600ppm CO2 do you think they will make the same observation? How about 800ppm?

They're not dumbasses, they're LiberContrarians.

As long as in the end you agree with me, I'm cool.

You are not where you are on your own steam alone. Thats cool. Everyone needs a little help to get there. Some folks don’t have a smart wife to lean on to make it. Some folks don’t want to spend 20 years in uniform or couldn’t get in to get the benefits you have. But they may also be as deserving as you. Take just one minute out of your day to think about them.

Tell me please you didn’t marry her on your way to the Army.

Lots of people retire at 50. Even people without wives still working.

Have you read a single history book? Oh, sorry, I forgot that for you it’s about now. Seriously man just take a look at today’s nations with the most wealth inequality and ask yourself if any of those are countries you would move to.

Fuck man, Hunter Biden, again? WTF is with you? Some clown who fiddle fucked around on a chump change tax bill vs. letting hundreds of billions in unrealized, but tradable assets that can be leveraged to get loans at discounted rates to buy anything on the planet and then deduct the interest go untaxed so you pay more taxes. And that’s an equivalency in your learned opinion? And then you toss in Nancy Pelosi as a dog whistle. You need to drop the kids off at daycare and get out in the world.

Just when I thought you couldn’t come up with a more mundane and ridiculous argument.

We're talking about the effects of unrestrained wealth accumulation assisted by a governing party that will use the wealth disproportionally directed into a certain small number of coffers, owned by reliable supporters, as a means of maintaining power and to launder a nations wealth into the leaders coffers. Here we are talking about the American Oligarchy. We are talking about Bezos, Musk, Dimon, Crow, Hankey, Lass, etc. etc and all of the many billionaire hedge fund owners like Fisher who now are saying Trump is probably not too bad or backing his bond for future favors or out of current obligation. We're talking about yachts that cost several 100's of millions of dollars and attendant support ships with helicopters and submarines that cost the same not a $25,000 sailboat that is also called a yacht. We're not talking silly parables. We're talking about not getting so close to having a system similar to Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE that there is no turning back. We're simply talking about adjustments to the ability to accumulate capital at obscenely high levels not about wanting a neighbors goat or to simply deprive them of it out of spite.

Who knows? But if it wasn’t what he was hoping for I think the off ramp would have been a fair bit north of that number. Frankly, until you can show even that level of profit from a business you started you ought not to be making judgments.

Nope. They didn't come out according to the recipe. Now it's time to mash them like potatoes.

You had the BEST professors. Actually, I don't believe that was course material. Now, it may be what Mrs. Hutchings young son took away: gaming the system for personal advantage and to holy hell with everyone else. That, I'll buy.

Of course that would be a regulatory action unless you are imagining a one off state law. If you are thinking about something broader, what regulatory framework would be acceptable to achieve that much; that is to ask would it be state federal, or local for example. Then also, what additional gun and ammunition regulations would be acceptable as a part of that regulatory framework?

And that's mostly always a good thing. An exception would be when the nation is on the verge of an autocracy by electing a demented, narcissistic, madman who is being enabled by a corrupt political party that, at best, represents a minority of Americans. In that situation it's important to see the other side of the aisle for what they have become: blindered and brainwashed enemies of the nation, not a font of good ideas. Later, after we beat the bastards back down into their holes, we can reengage in polite and meaningful dialogue.

Sadly, it's become all too routine here.

Sure, but we were forewarned of this exact possibility when Brent pointed out that farts may or may not stink. If you didn't short Tesla on that very day then I'm glad I'm not in your shorts.

We got us'n a damn burr under our saddles I reckon. Damn things, soon as you get shed of 'em they're right back. Sum'bitch.

That sucks. Maybe next time tell him that your sister was chased by tattooed Guatemalan rapists.

Maybe he's a MINO.

If Kallend is right, and I'm always on the fence wanting that, just who are the decent law abiding Indianans who sold them the guns? In fairness, you have pointed out that scofflaws don't care about laws.

I'm not following your logic. What do you mean "clinging to it? I mean clinging to it as a justification for what they consider to be an irreparable situation; for the creation of more guns for sale to anyone tall enough to put money on the counter or a pocket big enough to put it in; for the inability to deprive anyone of their made out of whole cloth constitutional right. I could go on for pages. They regularly use the term "automatic" as if all the black military looking guns operate in that manner. All they know is that it looks like a military gun therefore it's desirable. FIFY. That is the point in a nutshell and that is why that dumb turd Kyle Rittenhouse was out at night playing vigilante. You seem to keep wanting to demonize me. At this point you should realize that I'm middle of the road on all this stuff. You state, ",,,, until folks like you get on board with the idea we have a problem with guns...." Middle of the road? Maybe on the road you live on but not on my road. All positions that include arguing nothing can be done owing to the immutability of the second amendment, the cost of collection and smelting, the happiness of law abiding citizens, or the thrills of a local culture that deludes itself into believing that shooting wild pigs from a "rotary platform" with "scary black" semi-automatic guns as if they were "mercs" was a sport for citizens not a job for government. And let's not kid ourselves, were fully automatic scary black guns legal to buy and use for that or any other purpose more than a few of your friends would own them. I'd argue that my position is much more middle of most folks road. I own guns and did a lot of different sorts hunting over the years. I quit because slob hunters who couldn't shoot were wounding and killing animals they mis-identified, or were too lazy to find, not the guns. Now that I don't hunt I am giving my guns to responsible hunters not selling them to anyone. All will go except an HMR-17, a Beretta semi-auto 12 gauge my dad gave me (the only semi auto I've even owned for hunting) and a Beretta 1301 tactical I have for home defense. I think at one time here, I offered some nice ones in trade for an AR-15 that I would turn in and got no takers. So I do know my guns and calibers and the difference between semi and full auto. I am comfortable with regulation that might result in overreach, the absolute banning of concealed carry without hard to achieve reasons, and open carry. As I see zero need for hunting North American game with a semi-automatic rifle I see no need for that as a justification for owning AR-15 style weapons. To me those are middle of the road positions that aren't going to materially harm society or individuals.

Interesting observation. I've been assuming silhouette targets weren't being used. It'll be interesting to learn if the gun range folks really do use them.