Darius11

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How do you know? Were you around to notice the differences betwen previous generations and compare them to the current ones?

This is why we never get anywhere....Has anyone lived between all the previous generations? If that's your standard of proof then No no one should say anything unless they are immortal.

There are many ways to know as we have things that are standardized in a society. How they coped and the new gens cope is an ok Indicator. Nothing is perfect and at the end of the day everyone is an individual.

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If not how do you know whether your perception is accurate or if you're just getting grumpier in your old age?

You might have something here i wont deny it.

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Why should someone learn to drive a stick if all they'll ever drive are automatics? Why should people still know how to do an oil change when modern engines can run for huge distances without one compared to models from a few decades ago?

Because things do change, and not always for the better, Self Reliance. Also your a god damn Man not just a male. I expect men to know such things and get their hands dirty. I am a fucking dinosaur.

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n34eeXWjUQ

"Doug Stanhope - This Generation Sucks "
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I wonder how much effect Pharmaceuticals have had?

I cant think of one person i knew who was on any pills when i was growing up, now you have to think who isn't on something for something.

DanG

I think the current generation is going to end up being just as tough as any of the previous. Since the dawn of recorded history, people have been bitching about the kids these days. Nothing has changed in the last 25 years that's going to significantly change humanity.

I hope so.

However i don't agree with you. In the past the discussions have always been the new generation is more deviant (whatever that meant at that time). The new generation is weak and whiny. Easily breakable because they have been too spoiled and are unaware of it. Off course that's not all most likely not even most but its a trait that has noticeably increased.

Also i am old school man, if your a dude to me you should know how to drive stick, change a tier, kill food ect(you get what i mean).

I hope you are right i really do.

DanG

What have you done that makes you so damn tough?

I wroth this small short chronicle of my life to post to you then hit delete. Don't get me wrong there was nothing wrong with what i wroth, but honestly talking about one self positively on line for people who have no clue about it is a giant waist of time. Not to mention kind of douchy in my book.

Are you arguing that the soft way most of the youth is brought up not directly related to the over sensitivity? The general weakness that is in the new generation?

If you want to know my life see me at a DZ ill even buy the beer we can talk.

Yet again this is a problem of prosperity and amnesia.
Prosperity causes comfort, too much comfort causes a lack of perspective. Amnesia of the parents makes them forget what the generation in the past did and had to do for this prosperity.

So they teach their children skills that are not connected to actual real life and name it progress.
tell me which one of you adults have ever seen a world where the losers and winners are treated the same? never! good that's the right answer, so why the fuck are you teaching it to your kids??.

Also as a nation we have a hard time with truth ( i can literally write pages and pages about this and how it all relates, but whats the point here, i have noticed most don't like details), so when the adults are living in lala land, what would you expect from the kids.

But no worries you are all a unique special snow flake and your kids are sooooooooooooo special, don't let reality hurt your feelings. Save your feelings cause they matter so much.

Solution: mandatory boot camp, then 24 months civil service within US boarders. OH as the public if some kill them selves because they are too weak, or die in training guess what! SHIT happens. The outcry as if life is fair and there is always someone to blame, and as if some are not just weak bitchs who need to die or adapt. That's real life that's real nature.

When you take natural selection out of the equation the species will not last long after that.

In short everyone needs to SUCK IT UP CUPCAKE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzusSqcotDw

"Reza Aslan Slams Bill Maher for Facile Arguments’ About Muslim Violence"


This is so relevant, not only because it is on subject but it is also a obvious example of what happens on here in SC. 9 min interview about Islam.

You have FACTS and people who cant see passed their own inner loop and want to make it right regardless of the facts.

Has the intelligence gap goon the same way as the financial gap? I am serious has it? Watching this conversation is painful he is using clear words they are easy to understand but its like talking to chimps. THEY JUST DON"T GET IT because they don't want to.

cvfd1399

When it did this years ago like >10 years people questioned it and we were basically told deal with it we had it good for too long this money will go to improvements around the dz, which I understood needed to be done tho.

That's good! IF YOU LIKE COMMUNISM sorry i couldn't resist


I think that's cool, improve the DZ

I have! when it is directly fuel price related, UPS, FEDEX, many logistic companies i don't get surcharges anymore. Do you?

And the price of groceries has goon down again because the cost of delivery is a huge part of the $$.

No need for anyone to get butthurt its a legitimate question specially when most DZs are like a family, If you run a Corporate style dz where profit is god and all your in for it, thats fine too. I rather have more DZs no matter what.

price of gas, price of jump tickets. they went up never came back down.

Remember when gas went to 5$ and every things tarted having surcharges and price of everything went up, In this case like jump tickets. It made sense you pay more you charge more.

Curios if wherever you jump made the adjustment and lowered jump tickets when prices came back down, or if they are still the same or even higher.

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/christopher-ryan-3


Oddly this just came up and this is one of the books i read," Sex at dawn".
I have not watched this yet just saw it thought it was interesting that the pod cast just came up. Curios to see what is said and Joe is usually a great interviewer.

Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.

cvfd1399

Yeah but they sure do get some people butthurt, so I had to mention that they were being used to rescue people.

I always find it interesting that me an immigrant tends to understand what this country is about more then so many flag waving yellow ribbon wearing so called Americans who so easily trow away what made this country special. All the freedoms just so easly given up because of fear.

I won't go trough the long list of freedoms that have disappeared if you cared you should already know.

However one of the other things that makes this country such a great place or i should say another thing that WAS great. Not having a military force within our own boarders!
Anyone who is not butthurt should reevaluate their priorities.

We already lost habeas corpus, we already started to kill fellow Americans without due process, now we have an out of control police force with military style equipment. Yea i am worried specily when i see so many cops now and in the past who forget their oath and value their sense of camaraderie more then their sense of duty.

So yea most AMERICANS don't want tanks in the hands of cops.
This is the same cops that easily get mislead in to raiding and destroying people lives, these are cops that are fooled by 16 year olds. Yea i don't want people who make horrific mistakes with a 9mm to make the mistakes with a tank!

true to a point, One if cops are so quick to shoot me last i checked the justice system can not resurrect me back to life.

Also the mechanic wanted to work on cars maybe he thought he would be a good mechanic, The cop decided to be a cup for i hope the reasons of protecting and serving his community. We do not live in Soviet Russia you choose what you do no one is made to be cop.

if you can not deal with the job LEAVE, it is much better to find another job then to take a humane life, degrade another humane being in front of family or friends, or to act in the many many many examples we have that is unexceptionable humane behavior.


Here is the main point which we kind of agree and disagree on.

yes we do have a justice system however this is not new this goes back as far as i can remember 80s for me. here cops kill, torture, specially minorities and get a much less of a punishment then a 16 year-old would or even worst get no punishment. They get paid vacation or a reaffirmation that they acted accordingly.

The Justice system is missing a lot of justice and has for decades, The cops are a part of the same system fucked up and abusive of their ASSUMED power. There is no wondering why the people are SICK and tired and have lost any respect, because that's what the system deserves.
Shit doesn't happen in a vacuum.

We need to raise the standard of who becomes a cop and who keeps them in check. It has to be an independent authority that has the power to say YOUR FIRED.

In my opinion for me personally nothing makes me lose respect for cops more then when the so called good ones hide, lie, or just stay silent to protected a "brother in blue" who is a POS.
To me you are the same as that POS as you are lowering your whole profession. Do that for a few decades and this is what we have. No respect given anymore because they do not deserve respect.
Change the way you deal with the public, get rid of the bad apples instead of protecting them, remember you work for the public not your brotherhood in blue this is not a football team in high school!!, and punish really punish at minimum the same punishment a civilian would get for the offenders.

fantastic post that's literally the other side of looking at it.


I agree with you! you are logical and i can not argue with anything you stated. I have a good friend for years open marriage 31 years now married two kids happy.

I have asked him, it does not bother you at all that your wife is going out to get banged then come home and give you a kiss and all is ok??? He says yes its cool by him sighting all the same things posted and i know he means it.
I don't get how being ok with it happens!?

I feel like i am looking at 2+2 and seeing 9 even tough i know its 4 i can't accept it and don't feel i ever could. Maybe that's where my evolution stops on this go around, i really dont know.

But i think you are right that's the correct way to look at it but i cant do it, and that's what i am trying to understand from all the great info on here.

ibx

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I think its great for the current system business, agriculture, etc..

I just read this part... must have skipped it before.

In a post-scarcity society like we live in I think this is where you are wrong because now society can take of woman and children that do not have men to care of them. This is exactly what happens with social security or whatever you would call it.

Additionally society can pool resources and have dedicated people take care of children, so woman are once again free to utilize their resources without being dependent on a man.

I just read this and that is a very valid point
i would also add where we might be in a 100 years we might be colonizing another planet, a whole new planet would not be possible hunting and gathering.

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In traditional hunter/gatherer societies, the way pretty much all humans lived until the advent of farming and settling into cities, men had to supply the family unit with food. A man shockingly also has limited resources, so best way ensure that
1. His genes/children survive, he can't father too many children with too many woman since they would starve
2. He does not provide for another mans children/genes - a great source of conflict for any society.

This very fact/motive for monogamy is brought up they do not say it is incorrect, they do say however there is no reason to think it is correct as no real evidence as it is viewed and assumed from a very judgmental POV

According to the newest information we are extremely ill informed about those hunter/gatherers. Mainly we have taken the evidence and analyzed it by our own 1700-1800s view which was grossly skewed. The fact we still hold true what Victorian era anthropologist said as truths is wrong. One should recall a valid point that in those times Female sexuality was viewed as Evil.

Would anyone be able to bring to the world, that yes Woman being in power and just as sexual as men maybe even more is natural? We are talking about a time when saying a woman enjoyed sex or acknowledging a woman has a clitoris could end you up jailed maybe dead.

A lot of what we view as factual about those hunter gathered is from sources that old. Not saying everything said is wrong i am not even one who can determine that, just that the points made about that environment greatly skewing the facts is a valid point.

facts they dispute: How long people lived, how healthy people were, The amount of wars, What i cant understand is the jealousy part? Its emotion and emotions are very deep.

They claim in an environment where the females are the sex initiators and sex has no stigma not willing to have sex does, male jealousy does not exists. I can't buy that but at the same time i have never lived in an environment where sexuality doesn't come with some judgment? has anyone in the last 3000 years?

FYI: Current tribe hunter/gatherer cultures are brought up and almost all the old information is skewed as new information is counter to what was said to be true.

I have! they come up all the time they are what has been left out of sexuality when it comes to old thought and most education on the subject. they fuck all the time but its about 5 -7 sec. or something very short.

I am no anthropologist but according to them no one spends more time during their life in the act of sex then humans.

This did not include fantasies, thinking watching porn.... or even masturbation. If they added that i am sure it would be easier to measure the time we did not think about sex.

RonD1120

One man, one woman or one father and one mother to raise a family and teach responsibility to their children. The inner city welfare culture is our current example of what happens when you choose the other path.

I respect your beliefs but they are beliefs unfortunately beliefs as they are 100% leave no room for discussion.

As for the inner city welfare i think there are many factors involved but there is no denying that it is much harder for a child for many reasons when they are from broken home.

kallend

Anatomically and physiologically we are set up for polygamy/promiscuity. Monogamy is a societal construct (but a useful one).

Why/what is useful?

I think its great for the current system business, agriculture, etc..

however how would one measure usefulness?
I am not trying to be funny or argue its like trying to say what success is?

I mean how do you compare going to the moon or Mars and the vast knowledge we have today, to most of the species living healthy happy satisfied lives with lost of sex and free time?

I wonder if it has to be one or the other.

quade

******Anatomically and physiologically we are set up for polygamy/promiscuity. Monogamy is a societal construct (but a useful one).

It keeps disease down some.

But again, that's a function of society. As small tribal units that wouldn't be an issue at all. It's only with humans living in large groups that ever became an issue.


I am not sure we would be where we are today without society, and if a large society could survive and thrive without the nuclear family model?

From what i have read it seems everything changed when we decided to start farming. When we stopped moving.
However i am not sure if 7 billion could just wonder around or we would ever get to those numbers, or have any idea what the world and the people who lived in it would be like.

It is hard for me to imagine i mean that literally there is too much that would be different if we only viewed sex differently.

Fun Fact for everyone else: on this planet no mammal spend more time of their life in the action of sex then us. So its animal to have sex for procreation only and human to fuck to fuck.

So much misinformation in our language and the way we use it.

I know i am a nerd but i love this stuff

Here is a new subject to hate each other over.

I have been reading a lot of history got to sex in the prehistory and then sucked in too anthropology.

The short of it: By design physical/evolution what we can tell (lots of it is up for debate)is that we are made for promiscuity.

Now lots of things some very scientific, some a little stretched and some seemingly unrelated is used to make this case.


Whats your take? Could you share? would you care if someone fucked your girl/boy friend, ( if "your" even exists in that world) when other girls and boys are always ready and willing to have sex would jealousy exists?

There is a lot of information and i don't want to make a mile long post mentioning all the science, for you and my fingers health.

Do you have a belief that we are designed for a certain type of system? and why.


Me i am old school.

That's what i have read and it makes sense to me "their" science, however i cant even begin to think of being able to function in such a world. We do not like to share me or Her.

However i wonder is it just because as stated i am old school.
I can't function in a every body fuck whatever any time and we all raise the kids together world, but i think that's MY problem.
I think it makes sense or more sense for sex to be a lot easier to get for everyone, and would free up a lot of wasted energy. It makes sense i just cant not comply


ON subject please

Ahhhhhhh come here Turtle BIG BEAR HUG

turtlespeed

***I think as a species maybe we should add talking in tongs to that list.

I already do. I tap out morse code with my tongs every time I pull them from the drawer.


even when i hate you fuckers i like you.

Do we need corporal punishment back in the schools?

Better parents? i still call my teachers and elders sir or mam i am fucking 40.

Say whatever you want but there is something to that old way of thinking. where people acted better because they had to because they were held accountable and to a higher standard.

Cops are just people they have gotten worst maybe because people have gotten worst.

Driver1

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COMPLY OR DIE.....

Yup there is some great respect for civil and human rights and our constitution that so many officers seem to be wiping their asses with

Holy shit Right!! all this time i thought this was America and we had rights. Guess we were wrong, in whose book are you the ass hole if you grab the stick you are being hit with?

Every time i see a cop act like a politician making excuses the standard bull shit line i lose more respect.

If your a cop you should be more pissed then anyone in the public, and should voice that. When you form your BLUE BROTHERHOOD you lose your integrity. You lose integrity you lose respect.

I understand EVERYONE understands there are some bad apples but when you protect your bad apples you become the same.
Every Police Department that has been caught, This is going back to the 80s the police lie and try to hide the truth. When they are convicted (when there is video that they can't destroy) they typically get a slap on the wrist.

If this is not fixed it will be bad for everyone.

Hey, we have our issues, but I sure damn well would prefer to encounter a cop here than those in Iran.

There is so many things i don't like about this reply, but ill make it simple for you.

what does Iranian police and however they act which i would bet my monthly income on, that you have ZERO knowledge of anyway! have to do with how horrific the US police act????