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Overall a good article. One main point is the little chart showing cost training F/F S/L etc. Tandem is not free fall. It is drogue fall.

Good article overall. But some misconceptions about tandem skydiving. These are quotes from the article linked below. " There is also the special tandem canopy, which will be the parachute that is deployed during freefall, also known as the main" "During free fall, you can expect to reach speeds of up to 120mph (180km/h)." "http://www.dropzone.com/safety/Learn_to_Skydive/Training_Methods/Tandem_Skydiving_52.html" Tandems are not free fall jumps. The speeds listed are OK but they do not explain the use of the drogue to achieve them or why. We are selling tandems as freefall when that is not true.

Not bad! Not sure if they are the youngest My kids both have logbooks from them being tandem passengers while Mom was pregnant with them. waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

I still can’t believe that he’s gone! So many memories and stories to share. My heart goes out to you Tami! Scotty jumped with us in Waynesville for a few years, great times! We had a bunch of us that pulled low all the time so he fit right in! Miss you brother!! RIP BSBD These t shirts were made after the 91 Richmond THE Boogie! waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

With all the twists that appear to be in the control lines and that little bit of excess finger trap hanging out is plenty to catch a guide ring or a slider I've seen stranger things cause problems. Like a slightly long slider collapsing line cause cutaways.. Personally I think too many people do know or pay attention to their gear. waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Cutaway waiting to happen ;) waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Check with Jamie at Waynesville sky divers in Ohio We had that plane there back in the 80s for a while Sweet jump plane waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Wow sorry to hear the news. Met him back at the 2004 Richmond THE Boogie. He sold me one of his old conventional rigs. We put in the rotation with all of our other rounds. He was a great guy to talk and hang with. We have lost a great man and friend. BSBD RIP BILL waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Years ago early 80's we had some deaf jumpers and did really intense canopy training along with the colored paddles to guide them and they all landed fine. Also knew a dz that never used radios for students and only had 1 miss the lz over a 4-5 year period. Also our DZO rigged up a servo from a remote control plane that controlled a indicator that mounted like a chest altimeter. It would move left or right to signal a turn then go back to center to stop. When they got close to landing we used the paddles to signal the flare. Hope this helps! Good luck waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

There was an issue with rubber bands that people were using on their hip rings that were causing a massive acceleration of wear to the harness. I wouldn't put rubber bands in a place that could cause unnoticed wear, especially on a harness/riser. Interesting, never heard of anything like this. Regular bands or some other kind? Tube stows or the black bands that were around? I've used regular bands for years on some rigs with no problems. thanks for the input brew waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Good Point Gary Why not just larks head a rubber band on the connector link/slink east and no damage to risers. brew waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

You all are nit picking DZs here Some are shiney and bright some are not. doesn't have anything to do with safety and training. I've worked at both. even the shiny places have there problems with "16's" watching the news?? But always check a place out. Be smart and use common sense. it's always best when more that ONE option is available... ESPECIALLY in skydiving even if it's a 2 hour drive, it's sensible to "look around"... and if you're Not all that excited about what you see.... extend that driving timeframe. and though I came up, through Static line , and we had nothing BUT cessnas,,, those are tough planes (imo) for learning AFF... it's easier and better from a turbine, for a Few reasons... anyway....good luck jmy USPA # 9452 waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

I agree the times they are achanging waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Lots of interesting and funny replies on this one. usually listen to pic unless ac is going down or pic is paniced then I would probably exit w/o his permission This is why I almost always spot. I am by the door and a JIB (jumper in back) should act as loadmaster in these situations. Info from PIC should go to them (LM) or be relayed back if it a larger AC. I've been in quite a few of these situations and have seen a lot of experienced jumpers try and do stupid things (go figure jumpers doing stupid things) unless someone tells them what to do. Every flight should have some kind of plan in place just for these type events and a JIB in charge. On a lighter note one of my favorite bail outs (had a few as well as an upside down casa at Richmond) was a beech with gear problem. PIC wasen't sure if it would go back down after it got stuck going up and we couldn't climb. Mike and I had a level I AFF (Cat A for newbies). Rule book said to strap them in and un-hook AOD (AAD now) We did and as everyone else was leaving I looked back at him and the look on his face said WTF leaving me here!! We knew he had a few S/L jumps a while back so we grabbed him told him exit- PULL!! So a quick up down arch out we go at 2800 or so by then. He pulls we all land fine plane lands ok and all is well. So sometime rules need to be broken. Oh BTW we passed him to Level II waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

hi sorry to hear about fred was this fred from ohio that had a dz in shawnee? brew waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Well yes first aid people should be first. Thats a given at least I thought. I was referring to the investigative process, not medical personal. I guess we were always fortunate to have a lot of trained med people at our DZ's. Plus we had Red Cross train a lot of our staff in first aid because we thought it was good to have as many trained people around as possible. Thanks for the reply. brew waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

"We need designated people in each sub-geographical area appointed to actively investigate every skydiving fatality." The S&TA is the person that should be first on the scene. I was one for years and had to report several fatalities over the years. The FAA in our area would want to talk to the S&TA before the police or anyone else. Also according to the FAA here the S&TA IS the person in charge on the scene until they arrive. This makes it important for the S&TA to be one of the most experienced jumpers at the DZ. I think being a rigger should be a requirement to be one. From my experiences unless an A/C is involved the FAA usually leaves the investigation up to the S&TA, they just collect info from them. I had a problem at a DZ a few years back with the police removing the deceased and gear before I got there. It was an incident at another DZ in my region and the owner called me because their S&TA was out of the country at the time. The FAA showed up after me and I was the first person they wanted to talk with. This did not go well with the chief of police or the coroner. All they were interested in was charging someone with a homicide. But like you said the non skydiver does not know what they are looking at. USPA could provide more info on what to do at an accident scene besides the info collected on the incident report. Just my opinions brew waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Pretty much it. All S/L I's SHOULD have a hook knife as part of their gear! Don't rely on one being in the plane that anyone could take out. waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Thanks all for the replies! waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

We used to do 850 foot ones on Bridge Day when we didn't go to WVa My lowest (with IAD from pilot) off of the tire of a 182, got the bag out at least Aborted takeoff due to storm clouds and lightning off the end of the runway. brew waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Anyone know of this team or members that were on it? A friend used to jump in Cleveland Ohio area at Gates DZ in Parkman Oh. He was wondering if a Karen Christan was still around, I think she was on the team. He wants to make one for his 60 B Day thanks Brew waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Just curious why was he landing so close to the seating area? Where was the target area? waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Yeah What he said. I have pulled low on many occasions over the years just because so i have a little different view on this topic. We did 875 ft exits from 182's on years we couldn't make it for Bridge Day (had to have some reason) But really deciding which handle to pull should be a constant thought process. Generally it’s best to go in proper order main chop reserve. BUT things don't always work that way. I have pulled both under a 1000' in different situations, and different canopies. I would not pull my crossfire that low, cruiselite yes, PC yes. I still jump all 3. After a canopy collapse under 200' I fired a round and it opened just in time to PLF. A couple of totals I've pulled the reserve, since it was the only thing left. I've done several canopy transfers with both square and round reserves at low altitudes and always came out fine. After 30 years 5500 plus jumps and 20 reserve rides my situational awareness is pretty good. And I always know where the big green thing is. Generally I don't look at an altimeter to know when its time to pull. You can see the sky meet earth, kind of like falling out of a blue umbrella into a green (or brown out west) bowl. This effect happens around 2000' - 2500' ~~ or so. Check it out sometime. It’s better than any visual or auditory device. So all that means “When in Doubt, Whip it out" but Know where you are and what’s on your back. Peace Subject: waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

A CRASHED ONE Am I right!!! LOL you guys are great lots of fun and history together! Gues yo are really old!!!! waving off is to tell people to get out of my landing area

Sweet! Too bad about not getting the others guessI was lucky and not a wally