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Well Mark, as you hunt for answers. The center C-lines position on the canopy possibly allows more directions for load to spread throughout the canopy. The center A-lines have near a third less directions for load to spread. With the varying ways for a canopy to inflate, bottom skin, nose, crossports, and varying combinations of both bottom skin and nose inflation. It seems one type of inflation could overcome the other. So, another question to find an answer to is concerning the lesser ideal inflation like mostly nose or mostly bottom skin inflation. Take a BASE canopy no slider for instance. Observe the harsh bottom skin inflation, inner canopy pressure would be low inflation pressure after bottom skin inflation. Add a slider, then the inflation is shared by both bottom skin and nose. Loads on lines are less than bottom skin inflation alone.
Opening main in high upper winds facing upwind or downwind will produce 2 different opening speeds. The nose just loves to inhale wind blowing into it.
Been in a crew wrap. Because the jumpers weight is mostly being held by the center C's, while in a stack, a canopy can deflate it's wingtips, distort the center A's, and still fly in a stack. Disturb the center C's. All hell breaks loose. So, why do A-lines break more so than center C's. Excessive shock load, with not enough places for stress to be relieved is one answer of many. -
About the C-line larkshead taking more force. On a main, here's a little field experiment to observe. With main open and ready to pack. Pull on the main bridle and see which lines are loaded due to the bridle pull. I think you'll find another reason the center C's larkshead is so tight. Typically the center B's and C's take load from the bridle.Quote
Not much is difficult skydiving besides when close friends die, but that's goes with life, and the inability to learn from unexplainable accidents. The 7P's Proper Prior Preparedness Prevents Piss Poor Performance. I had a pretty good instructors. Still after over 7,000 jumps and 4 reserve rides, one being a high speed mal. I can say that the training I recieved in the first jump course, the basics, the fundamentals and the performance training with the instructors way back then, over 20 years ago, helped me immensely during malfunctions, partly because in an emergency I reverted right back to my training from the first day in the skydiving school to help me survive. Skydiving accidents happen, over simple issues to deal with. Thing is, it is f'ing 'game on' each and every time I launch out of an airplane at altitude. No taking a break for assessing shit.
Thanks for bringing this thread back.
Uhh, ya, the atmospheric conditions play a part each day, and of course each day is different. Wings react to atmospheric conditions. Skill level/experience/expertice in the field may play a part in every jump I make. A culmination of understanding ground effects, wind direction, turbulent areas, hot rising air, cool dropping air. Knowing and recognizing micro climate conditions that happen various times of the day. Preparring swoop height to accomodate for bumps in the air like flying over hot dirt onto cool grass. How speed is stability and lift are my friends getting through turbulence. Yep every jump adapting to the 'air'. The air is part of the problem and the solution. Finest swoop indicator so far, my eyes. If I can see, I can swoop. Electronics won't give me all the the answers I need to make a swoop happen. Electronics may alert my eyes to take note, electronics I use for skydiving are not believable. They are kinda like guages. Capable of reading true, capable of being miscalibrated, add the human element and the thing could be missing a screw, batteries go dead. No waiting for electronics here. The electronic altitude warning devices are novelty items to me, they have their dangerous aspects too, the believers. I can survive skydiving without
the electronics. But I take electronics with me on pretty much every
jump. Even when the batteries are going dead or dead.
Flying through the air with the greatest if ease is fun for me. With a hundred buddies, awesome! Incredible really. Sometimes cool, cold, hot as hell. I don't know much about being cool. Sometimes my shoes and socks don't match, dang downplanes and toe drags. I'll jump if the weather is jumpable any where between 1820' -24,000ft out of a skydiving airplane. Each jump has additional risks. I could spend each skydive decending at a constant survivable rate with a very small portion of the jump having any amount of speed. Static line rounds. That's how we should enjoy skydiving cause it'd be safer, right? Well, wouldn't ya know it, jumpers died that way too. Jumping out of airplanes is serious and fun and dangerous. When I jump out of an airplane, I'm AirTrash, flailing meat, look out below....
Yep Jeff it adds additional risk. Skydivers have 'uncontrolled moments' throughout their entire skydiving career. Have you ever seen a bigway? Bigger than 100? For the most part each jumper has control of themselves under canopy flying a superb pattern. As a bigway lands, count the number of 'other than controlled stand up landings'. Throughout a bigway event, some jumpers will need ice for botched landings. Same for swoopers, Students and Tandems, they play in the dirt too. All disciplines and jump numbers have had similar accidents, not surprising even deadly ones. Canopy collisions, turning too low, no pull/low pull misjudging flare timing, understanding speed=lift instead of speed= ground pound. There is additional risk, no doubt. I understand that if I skydive and do everything correct jumping any type of parachute equipment, I risk serious injury or even
death possibly due to 'uncontrolled circumstances'. Kinda shitty thing to have to accept but I do, therefore I skydive.
Way to go get'n the chain of events to sway back in your favor to survive. Having issues with each deployment handle sheesh! Sounds like you used 2 of your 3 options in getting a parachute to deploy in time. Your dignity should still be in tact. I had a high speed mal before jumping a freefly unfriendly rig, time went by fast in a slow motion sort of way. The odds were stacking against me quick, one deadly surprise after another wasting time. Was not as easy as look reach pull. I fought and won the battle like you. Humbling, for sure. Could've done things differently, so I learned even more. Things were different in a good way the jumps thereafter. Hope yours are too.
I for 1 am pretty stoked to have Dan B.C., Brian Burke, the folks at Elsinore, Chuck Akers, among many other skydiving ambassadors still around helping us jumpers make skydiving a repeatable activity. Day to day. Perris is my home dz. Whether policies Dan B.C. Implements at Perris work or not. I'm following the policies. As far as I can tell so far. Skydiving is still dangerous as it was prior to policy changes. With the diamond shaped pond at Perris, I've done pond swoops on regular loads there fanatically over the years. My ratio for crashing (even the slightest bit resulting in environment on my jumpsuit) is about 1 out of 100. For me that's about as good as it's ever gotten. Some years ago I thanked Dan B.C. for having a pond with water for me to swoop, because I'm gonna use it as a decelerator. He kinda laughed. I've urged other swoopers and wannabees to take their game to the pond so when they crash their chances of walking away i feel increase dramatically compared to dialing in hookturns over hard ground. Then the excuses, don't wanna get wet, don't want to walk, don't wanna get the feetsies dirty. If anything has got my undies in a wad is that Mr. Mike Ungar
apparently flew his parachute into the water and died. I could do that. With limited info I have, it seems that I will not die as Mr.Ungar has even if I swoop the pond or ground. I think my control inputs in those moments would have a different reaction, I could be wrong. To create enough energy to impact the water hard enough to die for a healthy parachute pilot means major control input. Unless there is gear failure, miss judging flare timing, or a collision of some sort. Have already overcome the fear of dropping a toggle with training in case it happens I have a reaction to use to save my ass if the need arises.
Parachute flying alarms for flare timing is the alarm it seems your going for. Maybe useful in the future if parachute flying ever becomes truly automated. In this era, flare timing is a trained visual experience. Flare timing is a judgement of the parachute pilot.
A parachute flying alarm system I'd like to have is for clearing airspace. One alarms when another flying object is within 2000', 1000', 500', 100', etc. Also useful for finding cutaway mains. Locator chip comes standard with each set of main risers.
It is true that to avoid a potential disaster is to not do the activity. In 2011 I avoided unintentional canopy collisions and hooking it in. Mostly by drastically reducing the number of skydives i would have normally done (500+ to about 30 in 2011). Staying current till viable solutions form. The majority of my focus for last years jumps was surviving the pattern instead of the usual pond swoop away from others doing as big a turn as conditions would allow. I still find myself tailoring my skydives to position me in clean airspace away from others even for flying the pattern. Doing no more than 90 degree turns 2000ft and below is easy, flying the pattern, easy. Lower risk/less deadly than beginning a hookturn at 2000', nope. Flying the predictable pattern with others is just as dangerous as doing hookturns for me. Under canopy I tend to be a bit on edge, scared as hell of other flying crafts flight path interfering with my flight path and vice versa.
Hookturns, swooping, skydiving, they are dangerous activities. Safe and skydiving do not belong in the same sentence, nor does safe and BASE jumping, nor safe and driving. Mitigating risk/risk management is necessary to repeat such activities. Every jump is a stunt, I overcome the things that can injure me and kill me, with research and precautionary steps and go for it if I feel like all the predicted factors will line up right and I have a way to abort if necessary. Skydivers risk serious injury or death when partaking in skydiving activities. It's pretty obvious. Skydiving is pushing it. Within the first few minutes on the first day I went skydiving I realized this when I read initial'd and signed the waiver. Pushing it skydiving has been and continues to be very enjoyable dangerous activity. So inevitably for me, so has hookturns, swooping, cameraflying, wingsuiting, coaching, organizing, team training, skydiving competitions, beer line swoops, boogies, a few 727 jet jumps, night jumps, downplanes, crew wraps, big ways, RW, freefly, freestyle, skysurf, accuracy, and zoo loads. Pushing it. Always seeking clear airspace to fly my parachute however I decide so I can walk away from landing and go again. The ways I've endured skydiving may be considered pushing the envelope to some. To others, not so much.
Recognizing hazards and avoiding getting injured or killed skydiving is pretty easy. Having each jumper follow dz policies for landing area pattern daily, each jump, not so easy. Jumpers still screw up the simplest things like landing direction. Skydiving is dangerous. If banning a particular activity to mitigate risk is necessary, so be it. Skydivers flight has been constantly evolving at a heck of a pace, but the basics I learned on day 1 are still the basics I take on each jump. So far the training has paid off. If there is a place in time and space available for me to endure freedom playing with my parachute flying skills, I'll find it and go there if I so desire. Might fly the predictable 90 degree pattern, might swoop a pond after a big fat hookturn if it's a go, and skip and splash across the pond drowning camera gear and walking away to skydive another day. Skydiving, count me in. You can bet that whatever happens after I leave the airplane will be considered 'pushing the envelope' no matter how disciplined I fly compared to sitting here typing a bunch of bs.
Hi, my name is Larry, Master Rigger, I live in L.A. and have made a PG release system and deployed a square parachute after releasing the PG. But, skydiving and parachute flight were my basis, not PG. I wore a harness under harness. PG attached to BASE harness by 3 ring release, Dbag'd from airplane, under Skydiving harness with certified reserve and a main canopy. I made release risers and sliders for the project. PM me your # if you'd like to meet.
talk about nerve stricken. I apologize to all whom have delt with me venting here. Wrong place for me to do such things. Had a bomber day coping with my dead friends. Especially the latest one. I just think he'd be a superdad to his kids. I broke down and even became angry. sorry. Venting here has helped. Don't intend on venting here again. Signing off for a while, no hookturns and no posting for a while. Larry
Hi Donna. Yep that exit sucked. 30 days notice was'nt good enough for you. Your man did'nt seem to have a problem. And, sorry for repeating one of the pet names that you give him. You and your man were good to me till he left town and you came into that shop and stirred things up and I did'nt take the crap. Like you, i'm not liked by every person that skydives or works in skydiving. There are some that do. Thanks for being so honest. Like other small businesses in skydiving that I have worked at and left, bridges have been burned. Am I the only skydiver that has happened to? Used to my good traits out weighed the bad. When i get upset, like you, that all changes for the bad and not too many people like to hear the crap. I rarely stir the crap up. But when I do bridges get burned. People who were acting like friends to me but were'nt show their true self. I no longer work for the skydiving business, you may find relief in that. Your business will never be called for reference, don't worry. I attempted to make amends with you people and have been denied. That's fine. I atleast tried sincerely. Then i gave up after a while. I've sent you business since I left, that's part of the good traits, and those customers were denied when they told you or your man that i'd sent them to you. I mean they live on the east coast and all and could have been loyal customers to you but somebody burned the bridge with them right from the git go.QuoteQuote
Oh ya! Ya gonna compete? No choking this time! You know your good at rip'n that pond. By now you've been in enough comps to shake the comp anxiety and have fun swoop'n pond. Am I right? Get U some bro! And tell your Russian friend that also wears yellow and the crome helmet that Crazy Larry says have a good time and rip it up! And to Pya, get some water this time girl and I mean just on her toes yo! and if you see the fat man and his lipy wife, tell them I miss their hospitality. Going to the dentist right now and then to wrap up some tour gear, LaterQuote
No idea, but i have some great news! I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance!QuoteIs the Ranch on the list?
Oh and the pond swoop is this weekend.
Lipy wife here !
Ya know Larry I didn't think anyone could ruin the great day I was having today but then again I trusted you, crazy aint it ! (no pun intended)
Just to set the record straight I don't believe that you are banned from the Ranch. I don't recall you stabbing Billy or Joe in the back as you did us in your dramatic exit. As a matter of fact I'd like to invite you back to the Ranch (don't go thinking this is a job offer you definately torched that bridge) but sure come back, not only do I invite you, I dare you! And please dont go calling us again thinking we'd like to hear from you, the scars you left still haven't healed, that's what happens when ya stick the knife in so deep.
LIPY ? I wont ask why Lipy and why not MY Name since your all about name owning. Beacuse if I ask then you might think I care about your response and I dont. I also wont get into my husbands name since he is sleeping right now and when he finds out I responded to your post oddly enough he will probably get pissed at me for wasting my time but I trust (something you dont understand) he'll get over it. And knowing him as I do (I'm not speaking for him) but I'd bet he would dare ya to visit the ranch too..
I feel sorry for you that you confuse honesty with "lipy"..... "miss our hospitality" ...why wouldnt you... I'm sure you do...we opened our lives to you, our home our business the whole shebang we trusted you. If only we had checked referrals first, oh right we didn't ask for any we trusted you. You shouldnt call us "fat man and lipy wife" you should call us dumb and dumber !!! But again please dont call, but please do come to the ranch. FYI: after the shock and awe of your exit strategy we called the people you had worked for before us to find we werent your first bridge torched! You should slow down there arent that many dropzones in this country ya gonna run out and all you will have left is your surf wax and fishing pole. You should update your name to crazyL the BT (Bridge Torcher)
Hey Crackerman, I don't care if your hiding you name, Just know you are wasting your time because only realy men and women admitt their mistakes! Sure CrazyL "owns his name" he is crazy ! And I dont mean cutesy fun to be around kookie crazy. I mean crazy like sneaky backstabbing insanity!!! This is only my own personal experience with him I cant speak for the rest of the world, however ahhh nevermind ......
Hey Dan, he is talking about Andrei
Too all the people who read this forum to learn something: I apologize if you feel you wasted your time reading what I have written thinking ya didn't learn anything. I really have no place posting on a swoop forum since I dont swoop. However if you have read what I wrote I believe you have learned something, sorry if it wasnt about swooping.
Signed (my real name)
Donna Marshall Bayrasli
all the same. I have, no need to go back there. I left there with all my equipment. My account is cleared. Niether of us owes money. I've come to terms with not going back there now. I've been to over 50 dz's. Been banned from more dz's than some jumpers have visited. Skydiving has now become lower on the list of ways to spend the rest of my time here on this planet. That day changed it for me totally. When the addiction to go skydive gets to me, i'll get mine no doubt. I have my doubts the addiction to skydive will rule my life like it has for several years up until that day.QuoteQuoteBeing that the dz Skydive Elsinore is a public place, it'd be hard pressed to be banned from the property.
Sorry Larry, Ellsinore is private property and a commercial business. The property owner, the business owner or the manager can ban anyone for any reason.
Sparky
Do you know of this ever happening?QuoteQuoteIf memory serves...that was something that happened some years back in San Diego I believe.
I don't think there was a MARD involved but instead an ordinary RSL, but the incident WAS something along the lines of the jumper spinning enough to hang the res. bridel up and had to manually clear the hang up.
Thanks, Jim - as I said above, it seems more likely (to me, anyway) to happen in a 'normal' reserve deployment than with SH/DRX.
Not my scenario per se. I just posted someone elses scenario. Eric has been around a long time as many others have. Maybe the scenario is valid, I don't know. That's why I asked sincerely. Still no hard facts to say the scenario is valid.QuoteQuoteI'm surely interested in Pro's and Con's of the M.A.R.D. but only know about 'here say' no real proof. So help me out here, here's a scenario that i 'heard' about, jumper cutaway spiraling main, reserve is static lined or M.A.R.D., jumper then rolls up in the reserve bridle enough to stop the reserve freebag from leaving the container, as jumper is rolled back out of the bridle the reserve canopy deploys and saves their life. Is this possible? Pro? Con?
If you're in a spin, centripetal force is going to throw you away from the main. If the reserve bridle is attached via Skyhook or DRX, *how* is the jumper going to get "rolled up" in the reserve bridle? I don't see how there's any time for it to happen. The documented experience of test jumps/customer cutaways seems to point to line twists being the worst malfunction experienced to date. Your scenario seems more likely in the slower, "normal" reserve deployment.
Done. Read my reply to your post in the safety and training forum, i've answered this post in that forum. Does an unfinished profile mean you can't or won't 'own up to your own name? It's pretty easy to figure out who I am in my profile. I own up to my name, these threads i've started here, the hookturns, bannings,... You probably know me and are also still a bit upset from that day too. We got something in common. That's a good reason to have a thread on these forums.QuoteWhy dont you suck it up a accept the fact that you fucked up and got yourself banned, they made many accouncements to the DZ to stay away from the swoop area and to land in the main landing area but you disregarded that all and swooped the dead guy.... You claimed it was to pay respect but it wasnt, its clear the way you talk here that you didnt respect him you landed there against the DZ announcements because you wanted to swoop, thats it nothing more now youre in here stirring up shit trying to make them sound like the big bad DZ.... Youre a grown man for gods sake, you fucked up and got banned... own it.
More like post traumatic stress. I would've liked to visit with John several weeks ago. I gave up after 90 days. I give up easy. I did'nt see or hear your suggestion to drive out there to visit him prior to this post, my bad. Cell phones and email save alot of time and gas. Technology is wonderful. When Hammo and I were on the phone that day we were both professionals. No real sarcasm, no belligerence or back talk. When he called me I figured he had his hands full and did'nt need any of my crap. I thought, why is'nt he dealing with shindig at the moment instead of me, I answered his questions honestly and to the point. He did'nt want to believe me. Why could'nt he postpone his call to me till after he took care of shindig. I messed up by not hearing the calls about landing near the crime scene prior to sending the 1st load after shindig went in if they really did make the announcement. I would have abided. I had left the dz to get food then I got a cell call that I was on a 15 minute call. I hauled ass to the dz, got my gear on and boarded the airplane quickly. I would'nt have heard an announcement unless it was done in the 2-3 minutes prior to boarding. Sorry. The point in this thread is that you and the rest of the posters here are helping me recover. Good post or bad. Not looking to have any change in Hammo's decision. I started this thread because right now I have time to post here. Did'nt start it and leave. I'm here sitting in for a little while longer, owning up to what I started. Soon I will have less time to once again to be a visitor here. Soon enough this thread will be done. You wo'nt have to read my post for a while, i'll be out for a while. Maybe my next thread will be more constructive and positive for skydivers. There are many topics other than this b.s. to learn about in these forums. And by the way Lake Elsinore has a bad ass dz. You won't see me there for a very long time.QuoteLarry, this is the second time in these forums you have decided to bash John. He won't return your e-mails or phone calls? Then do as I suggested last time and go out to the dropzone and talk to him. What do really hope to accomplish by trash talking him on an internet forum? Are you looking for support with your version of the events of that day and the three weeks prior? At least the last time you did this the mods took your posts down, I hope they do it this time as well. I really do not appreciate going on line here and reading all the shit you are writing about my friend.
Again, is there a point behind what you are writing or are acting out of spite?
John
My apologies, it's all upsetting to say the least. I have owned up to my mistake and have come to terms with not jumping there for a very long time. It's been over 90 days and i'm still upset about shindig and the trauma it created for me. I did admire shindig. That's another reason it's so dang upsetting. His death has been the most traumatic for me, sorry. It really screwed with me. And yes, if I get upset and say something I really did'nt mean, then I am the prick here. I'll take it. Again, my apologies.QuoteQuoteThank you for a great perspective, well worded unlike the title I had on this thread. I'll share with another fact of the fatality that day. So, he was married, 2 kids, wife, retired marine, policeman, an all around badass, much respect. He had 2 identical rigs with 1 out of 3 backup devices on his rigs. He had reserves, no rsl, no aad. I ask myself why. I also believe a silver D handle would've prevented him from bouncing and me being banned. It's all upsetting to say the least.
Wow... I dont know you that well and I sure didnt know shindig that well but it sounds like your being the prick here, calling a dead guy a prick because you fucked up?
Why dont you suck it up a accept the fact that you fucked up and got yourself banned, they made many accouncements to the DZ to stay away from the swoop area and to land in the main landing area but you disregarded that all and swooped the dead guy.... You claimed it was to pay respect but it wasnt, its clear the way you talk here that you didnt respect him you landed there against the DZ announcements because you wanted to swoop, thats it nothing more now youre in here stirring up shit trying to make them sound like the big bad DZ.... Youre a grown man for gods sake, you fucked up and got banned... own it.
Bingo, that should be a on a big sign on every dz.Quoteno problem with 90's, 180's, 270's, 360's, 720's etc - as long as they are made away from where people are flying standard patterns.
Glad you people realize and know that you are in charge of your own destiny. PD factory team are role models. Instructors, coaches, dz personnel , they are the role models. Many years ago the role model thing was brought up to me. So I declined to be a 'role model' by passing up the chance to be an instructor. I then began to go off with my parachute flying skills so much that when a jumper would see me fly and land they would be scared shitless enough to not try the crazy shit that I was pulling off. Phrases were said 'that was crazy larry' others would say yep that's crazy larry. Forget the name it's nonsense like the post about practicing going in off the dz landing area. I still have yet to have the desire to teach the most deadlieast thing in skydiving. Therefore I am not the example, not the role model. Make your own choices, make your own decisions. I did. No one else was my example or role model to do hookturns. I just wanted to go fast. So I did. It was an idea.QuoteQuoteYou are only one who can keep yourself alive.
I would not complain about others' influence.
She is well aware of that. But experienced jumpers sometimes forget that they are role models (both good and bad) to inexperienced jumpers. That's just how the world works, and not just in skydiving. It's nice to see a young jumper remind the rest of us of that sometimes, and she's got a good head on her shoulders (at least from her posts here) to make educated decisions. Not all are so wise.
Ya ya. maybe I worded it wrong again. Do what you like just don't go in on me or my friends or my stuff.QuoteQuoteIf your gonna go in at Elsinore do it away from the landing area so others can continue to jump and not get banned for landing within a ahalf mile of your dead corpse. That's part of what I learned from this experience.
Yeah, that's what I learned too. I can't wait to apply it to my skydiving.
Being that the dz Skydive Elsinore is a public place, it'd be hard pressed to be banned from the property. As other 'banned' members have done i'll go there and hang out. On a cloudy day while they put jumpers through clouds and video tape and drink a cup of tea. Why should I care if the care takers of Lake Elsinore remain the caretakers or not. Sooner Hammo leaves the sooner I get to enjoy the valley once again.
Valkyrie 67 demo first jumps
in Swooping and Canopy Control
....... For the rest of you, go practice doing YOUR thing......
By the way Charlie, what's your wing loading? Nevermind, like one of your parachute makers mentioned a few years ago, 'these newbies throw around wing loading like it's their cock size'. I said 'and sells parachutes'. And we laughed and laughed.
Skydiving is fun.