pajarito

You are justified by faith. That's got nothing to do with how much evidence there is. okay...

No. But plenty of credible eye-witnesses were.

Because......God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. --------------------------------- Side Note: God does not need our acceptance. He requires our obedience (repentance & trust). He convinces us of our sin. We agree with Him. That's as far as our acceptance goes. He then decides whether to save us. We then receive His forgiveness. ----------------------------------

Don't really know how else to explain it. He's God. You're not.

The truth of the Bible is what I am defending. How can I do that without quoting it?

Plenty evidence. Just evidence that you reject.

Ummm........ Because He's God...

If you'd sincerely trusted in the finished work of Jesus at the cross, you wouldn't kill, steal, or cheat. If God had transformed you into a "new creature in Christ" and was growing you in holiness (e.g. born again), you wouldn't do those things. You're not saved because you’re a good person or for anything you've done. You're saved because you're a very bad person who's been forgiven. Being truly sorry and repentant for your lawlessness does not mean that you continue to live in a lifestyle of sin. Being sorry is evidenced by a change in direction (a “good” work being done in you).

If God made you up to His standards, you’d be just like God. We are all responsible moral agents. You commit sin. The “God made me do it” defense wouldn’t work in a court room and it won’t work for you on Judgment Day.

Why? Should we honor our parents regardless if they are honorable? Yes. Protecting yourself or others from danger, however, would be a different circumstance. Depends on the motive. If you desire the relationship another has with God because you want peace, love, joy, fulfillment, long-lasting happiness, contentment, or something else for yourself, then YES. If you desire the relationship another has with God because you realize you've offended God with your lawlessness, are very sorry for it, and are willing to trust in Jesus (alone) to "recieve" His forgiveness, then NO.

Yes. Recently. I got a hefty ticket. I don’t plan to contest it, however, because I know I was wrong. I knew it when I did it. This is called education and experience. I thought you said above that you did have a conscience. Are you saying that doesn’t play a part in telling you right from wrong? And they did it without following the Moral Law that we’re discussing. No. Murder would not be acceptable to both parties involved. Murder, by definition, is an offense to the person murdered. Many in a society may do this, however, that still would not make it justifiable. “Murder” is universally wrong. Insanity may be a defense, however, that still does not make it right (whatever your culture). Here’s a summary of the Moral Law that we’re talking about. 1. Love God 2. Don’t worship something to suit yourself 3. Don’t take His name in vain 4. Remember the Sabbath 5. Honor your parents 6. Don’t murder 7. Don’t commit adultery 8. Don’t steal 9. Don’t lie 10. Don’t desire what belongs to another

The degree to which one listens to their conscience varies between individuals but it is present.

You don't have a conscience that tells you right from wrong? When you do wrong, are you not aware that it is wrong and do it anyway for selfish purposes? What is it inside you that tells you that you aught to do or not do something even if it may not be in your best interest but may help someone else? Do you not possess that? If so, where did that come from? I say it is God communicating with us and it does not make us schizophrenic if we acknowledge it.

It must be very comforting to make up your own reality and actually believe it. I guess that is very "blissful" and maybe even liberating if only in your mind. However, I suspect that you have a conscience which tells you something different. Even if you don't admit it on a public forum.

The issue is not one of life enhancement, but one of righteousness. This misunderstanding is the reason for so many false converts in the church and why issues such as divorce, teen pregnancy, abuse issues, etc. aren't statistically much different inside or outside of it. It is a big reason for the existence of so much displayed hypocrisy. Many who profess to be Christians did not come to the Savior for the Biblical reasons that they’d sinned against God, were sorry for their sin and willing to change, and put their trust in Jesus to save them. Many claim the title of Christian because there were seemingly wholesome groups of people to associate with, because a new children’s center may have been built in the church with really cool multimedia entertainment, or because they just really dig gospel music and it gives them some spiritual high to be surrounded by the ambiance. Jesus said that in the end, many would call to Him saying that they’d followed Him declaring all the things they had done in His name, however, He would tell them to depart because He never knew them. In actuality, most who claim to be Christians in the world today are going to bust the gates of hell wide open because they persist in clinging for dear life to their own personal (maybe very private) sin when that is the very thing that is killing and will kill them.

I got a speeding ticket a couple of weeks ago. I would feel very liberated if I didn't have to pay it. However, I was shown my violation and am bound by the law. I must pay the fine. It does me no good to simply refuse to believe in the law. It will catch up with me sooner or later. Fear and guilt should be there if I don't pay or show up in court. I'm not liberated at all. We are are either slaves to the law (which we cannot fulfill and are, therefore, slaves to Christ; which leads to life) or we are slaves to our own selfish desires and lawlessness (which leads to death). It is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgment.

It appeals to the kook left.

He just mentioned Natural Selection. You mention mutation but that won't help the cause either.

Natural selection is working in exactly the opposite direction that you need it to in order to believe molecules to man evolution. Natural selection and mutation occurs. However, that doesn't help the cause of New Darwinian Evolution. The theory is flawed at at its onset. The capacity for much variation is built into the gene. The capacity to "evolve" into something else altogether is not. It is also not what we see in "observed" science. It exists only in the pictures of your textbook. Wrong. Natural selection (by itself) only selects against characteristics not suitable for a particular environment. As time goes on, diversification occurs and there is less information in the gene pool for natural selection to select against. It doesn’t add anything new to the equation. It only takes away from it. It actually makes that organism less capable of future adaptation to differing environments. It is working in the direction of extinction rather than in the direction of progression to a higher life form.

My jaw has officially dropped. Try reading an actual biology book. Any biology book. Try reading the "backtracking" revisions of some (e.g. Piltdown Man). You probably believe the representation of apes slowly progressing to a standing position and eventually to man in your textbook. That exists nowhere but in that artists imagination.

This is your pathetic "natural selection removes variation" argument (and I use the term argument very loosely) again isn't it? Natural selection is not the only mechanism of evolution. I never said Natural selection removes variation. What are you talking about? Neither natural selection or mutation can account for what you're referring to.

"It is a constant torture to me that I am still so far from Him whom I know to be my very life and being. I know it is my own wretchedness and wickedness that keeps me from Him." --Mahatma Ghandi He was probably a very moral human being, however, he (like the rest of us) was guilty of lawlessness towards God. Right on.

Not really. Not quite that radical of change. The kind of change they are referring to is like a scale being able to gradually turning into a feather over long periods of time. Dr David Menton: Feathers and Fur