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What? I thought Sarah Palin was being interviewed? You mean those were Obama supporters impersonating her? Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

Me too. Unbelievably. Like no hope for the future-how can we go on pretending to be civilized-the world might as well come to an end-disturbed. But if Bush has survived, I can't see how Obama wouldn't. On topic, I know they're getting "trained" for the debate - do the moderators 'try' to phrase questions in ways that are unexpected? Will Gwen Ifill? Or is there concern that "the media" (moderators) might appear biased? Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

I just. can't. wait. to. watch. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

oooh...you're buying the wrong one! "Fakin Bacon" is made from smoky tempeh! I try to avoid buying from Lightlife (owned by ConAgra - factory farm hell) but MAN it's good. Heirloom tomato, leafy lettuce, whole grain toast and you guessed it...VEGENAISE! A damned good FBLT. You're on. x Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

I have no personal issues with people who make informed decisions. I'm vegan but truly believe others need to decide for themselves. In other words, have at it! I defend PETA because I believe they have done much for bringing all of those issues you mentioned (buy locally, hormone-free, etc) to the mainstream. Maybe not directly, but certainly indirectly. Medical testing is to cosmetic testing as eating vegan is to eating meat. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

why cows aren't fun edited for unnecessary snarkiness. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

No to human ice cream? How about human cheese. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

The Disneyfied vision of farms with actual farmers and grass and red barns with hay is much bigger pile of cowshit than any vision of a world without inhumane animal exploitation. It's something to strive for. The $$$$$$$$$ behind agribusiness is astounding. I applaud the work of those willing to do what's needed to bring the issue out in the open. For no personal gain. (shock) I respect that. Make all the "ties" and "connections" you want between PETA and other groups. The reality is, everything in this world is somehow connected - and once people realize that, they might begin to really see how animal exploitation is so insidious and demoralizing and shameful. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

Barack Obama has ties to Dick Cheney. Of course activistcash is one stop shopping. It was specifically designed for just that purpose by the restaurant (KFC, McDonald's) industries. They have a financial stake in discrediting claims made by PETA. Ever watched undercover slaughterhouse footage? Undercover chickenhouse or hoghouse footage? Pretty hard to refute. Tying all the groups together and labeling them 'terrorists' is a political start. Anyway, Ingrid Newkirk and PETA have never endorsed violence. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

www.activistcash.com? The Fox News equivalent of fair and balanced reporting. Did you go to the website and read the 'about us' section? Follow the the link to their parent group "The Center for Consumer Freedom"... Here's a wiki entry for them: "The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) (formerly called the "Guest Choice Network") is a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and tobacco industries. It runs media campaigns which oppose the efforts of scientists, doctors, health advocates, environmentalists and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny Culture -- the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best for you.' " Over 40 percent of the group's 2005 expenditure was paid to Rick Berman's PR company, Berman & Co. for "management services. [1] As part of its operations CCF runs a series of attack websites, including "consumerfreedom.com, activistcash.com, cspiscam.com, animal-scam.com, fishscam.com, obesitymyths.com, physiciansscam.com [and] petalkillsanimals.com".[2] The ties are dubious. But google does provide good soundbites... Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

Check out PETA's relationship with ALF (the Animal Liberation Front), ELF (Earth Liberation Front) as well as their relationship with SHAC (Stop Huntington Animal Cruelty) and decide for yourself. Those ties are dubious at best - and no deaths gave been attributed to PeTA, ELF, ALF or SHAC.

ROFLMFAO Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

A cause and a method are two entirely different things. I said people who champion causes are needed - and that sometimes extreme measures are needed to draw attention. I never endorsed terrorizing or killing people as an acceptable way to do it. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

The world needs terrorists? Their methods are ok because they are really devoted to their cause? I never endorsed any particular method employed by groups championing a cause. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

The Million Dollar question is WHO perceives them as nuts. I sure don't - I have respect for those who can devote their lives to a cause that it important to them - no matter how righteous or mundane. The world needs those champions. If everyone was just like me/you, nothing would evolve, nothing would change. The middle makes the rules (in most cases), it's the extremes that challenge them. As it should be. It's not always pretty, it's not always comfortable - but it sure is needed. (Acknowledging that some people ARE just nuts and find they fit in better in extremist groups because of that.) Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

PETA is NOT asking Ben & Jerry's to make their ice cream from breastmilk. They are making a point. The article (maybe not this one, but countless others, acknowledge that.) And yes, PETA uses extreme methods to make points.j They sink in with some people. They turn others off. There is SO much money and special interest in agribusiness that things like animal compassion, health and welfare of humans, etc. get lost to greed. Sometimes bigger than life tactics are needed to get attention. They believe, as do I, that in general, it's the extremes that shift the middle. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

Ooh, I can help bridge the thread drift... Aerial Wolf Hunting It's a metaphor, really. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

Not at all about "eating what you kill" and "respect for life" fur farm Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

Check out this propaganda piece from PETA. It's a comic book for kids, titled "Mommy Kills Animals!". An image of the cover is attached, which shows a crazed mom wielding a large knife, stabbing a terrified rabbit, with blood flying everywhere. This is not a gag. Confirm it for yourself at their website: http://www.furisdead.com/feat-momfur.asp The large format pdf version: http://www.furisdead.com/pdfs/mommykills.pdf What do you think of this? Would you want your children to read this "comic" book? Do you consider this to be "juvenile, distasteful, and disrespectful?" It seems to me that if PETA is going to publish propaganda like this for children, then they well deserve a few jabs back at them, and have no room to complain. Just to be clear, it's not a comic book, it's a leaflet. And it is meant to be distributed by activists *only* to kids (old enough to go to the theater) of women wearing fur. Not condoning, just sayin'. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

This didn't make me laugh. Blues, Dave That is pretty sickening, to say the least. And it happens so much more than you might imagine. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

It is possible to roughly estimate the gate entry speed from the average speed and time. When flying horizontally, you decelerate at the fraction of g that is equal to the reciprocal of your momental L/D: a = g/(L/D) For the rough estimate, one can assume constant L/D (which is not true - as you slow down, your canopy must produce the same lift - equal to your weight - at slower speed, therefore, it must change angle of attack and as a result, L/D is constantly changing. But for an estimate, the changes in L/D are relatively small if one exits the course with high speed still.) Assuming L/D ~ 2.5, we have a ~ 0.4g. If V0 is the gate entry speed and V1 is the course exit speed, average speed Vavg = (V0 + V1)/2 (for constant deceleration), and V1 = V0 - a*t, where t is time. So, Vavg = (V0 + V0 - a*t)/2 = V0 - a*t/2, and V0 = Vavg + a*t/2 = Vavg + g*t/2/(L/D) In this particular case, V0 = 28.6m/s + 9.8m/s^2 * 2.45s/2/2.5 = 33.5m/s = 120.6km/h = 75mph. altough i never understand shit, i always love to read your posts that involve mathematics..

This topic came up in conversation the other day, was curious what kind of guy would donate sperm? The obvious answer? A *broke* guy. But what's the real answer? Who are all these PhDs and Doctors and Lawyers out there donating their benevolent sperm to men with poor swimmers and single women or lesbians? You? Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

Sorry - I erased your name in the subject line so it wouldn't be a direct reply to you - but I guess by quoting you it was implied. Didn't mean to! Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

As much as I believe spanking to be an inferior method of instilling discipline, I must acknowledge that discipline instilled via spanking is superior, and better serves the child's interests, than not instilling discipline at all. The opposite of spanking is NOT no discipline! No one is suggesting you quit spanking and let your kid do whatever s/he wants. Just don't even go there with spanking. Just don't. Advocate discipline. Advocate consistency. Advocate anything but spanking. It drives me nuts when spanking discussions come down to the argument that either you spank or there is no discipline at all. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

I don't think there is a single person out there who is going to say that every child who was spanked will have lasting effects. I think the idea is, that spanking doesn't ever need to be done, there are other, more effective methods out there. And if that is the case, why not take a collective stand against a practice that has the potential to do harm - potential to harm a child even when done "right", potential to be done out of anger (many parents admit to having spanked in the heat of the moment), potential to be overused, potential to lead to actual abuse by parents, etc. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi