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  1.           As per stained hands...                 I am not sure of the source of this information. Hager and I had conversations concerning the stains. I don't know where's Hag heard about the stains, I was under the impression that Hager might have read about it? It's possible that Hag heard about the stains on one of the Cooper internet sites operating at the time?         Seeing as how many people were pipe smokers at the time, shouldn't we consider the possibility that the stains might come from that?  Also , being the seventies, might the stains have come from cannabis? Just thought I would throw out some other possibilities . 


  2. While we are talking Cossey, I need to correct something from my previous posts...While saying Cossey was the only civilian rigger working  in that area, I correct myself. I believe Cossey was the only civilian " Master. " rigger working that area. Sorry for mistake. Evidently you must have to be a Master rigger in order to pack the reserve chutes such as the ones Cooper received?  I think Hager believed Cooper requested reserve chutes, although I am not sure that there is any evidence to substantiate Hag's belief?


  3.   Really enjoying the discussions !  Going back to some of the earlier ones..... I also have wondered about some of Cooper's  use of phrases ?  Some sound contrived, others sound borrowed from a movie?  Was it rehearsed or was it part of his usual banter?  Not sure what, if anything, it says about Cooper?         Not sure who posted it....but very thought provoking was the post on the timing of Cooper handing the initial note to Flo .....Great post!!   What would Cooper have done if Flo had flipped out and screamed or something else to draw attention to the situation? Why not wait till they are in the air? A mistake in planning? Kinda sounds like it to me, lmho. Once again, very thought provoking. Excellent post!

     


  4. 14 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    Cooper was expecting military gear from McChord.. McChord was initially contacted but apparently couldn't get authorization.. So they contacted Cossey and Hayden.

    McChord would have had static rigs and bailout rigs only?? If so, he expected bailout rigs.

    His parachute demand was important, I can't see somebody obfuscating terminology and taking the risk of getting the wrong equipment.

    Couldn't get authorization?  Very hard to believe that they couldn't get authorization, in my humble opinion.


  5. Does anyone really think there would be enough time for the military to contact and locate a military rigger and then have him unpack the chutes, add the chaff , and then repack the chutes, and get them delivered, all within Cooper's demanded time frame?      As far as proving Cossey was the only civilian rigger working that area..... Find a parachute owned by someone in that area, during this time, that had been packed or repacked by someone other than Cossey. I bet you would have trouble finding one.


  6. On 11/20/2022 at 6:58 AM, RMK said:

    I haven’t looked at this thread in probably 10 years.  There's now over 59,000 posts here and this is 51 years after the event. 

    Find something more productive to do with your life and spare time.  There’s actually shit such as “CooperCon”?  Wow; WTF? 

    It’s not exactly a murder case.

    As per the last sentence, I might respectfully disagree.


  7. 44 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    Wrong,,

    Cooper thought the chutes were military ones coming from McChord.

    There is no relationship between Cooper and Cossey.

    I have a hard time believing Cooper would accept chutes he knew came from McChord.


  8. 44 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    Cossey was brought in by a "business associate" at Sea Tac.. it was a coincidence that he also packed Hayden's back chutes.

    "Earlier that evening, skydiver Earl Cossey, a master rigger, received a telephone call at home. The call was from a business associate who also happened to be the manager of Sea-Tac International Airport. The airport manager asked Cossey for two backpacks and two chest-mount reserves as soon as possible but could not disclose the reason he needed them. Cossey admits he wondered about the manager’s request, “But I trusted him completely and did as I was told,” he said.

    Cossey called his drop zone in Issaquah, Washington, and asked a person who was staying there to collect the rigs and hand them over to authorities. Police rushed the rigs in a patrol car from the drop zone to Sea-Tac International.

    Later that evening, Cossey heard on the news that there was a hijacking in progress. He was stunned at the revelation that this was why the authorities had asked for his parachutes. “I thought, ‘Oh crap! There go my parachutes!’ ” Cossey recalled. “I was just laughing at the stupidity of that guy and thought, ‘This guy’s nuts.’”

    Of course they would contact Cossey. If he's the only civilian rigger working that area and they only have a certain window of time to find them ( the chutes ) and have them delivered to the airport,  who else are they going to contact?   And it wasn't coincidence that he was the one who packed Hayden's chute. As the only civilian rigger working that area at the time and also as the only one that had been there for the previous few years, it didn't matter where the chutes came from. They almost certainly were going to be chutes packed by Cossey, given the time frame they were working with.  Cooper's foolproof plan to make sure he wasn't getting a chute that had been fucked with?


  9.              According to Hager.....   Cossey was the only civilian rigger working in that area at the time of the hijacking. In fact Hag said he had been the only rigger in that area for a few years preceding the hijacking. Hager told me. ( according to his research ) that the closest working rigger to Cossey lived and worked about 4 or 5 hours away from Seattle. I believe the guy lived north and east of Seattle. He might have been across the state line?  Hag also mentioned about one other rigger that might have packed some chutes during this time. Hag said there was a small airport in the southern part of the state ( Washington ). I think it was about 20 or 30 miles east of Vancouver Washington, maybe just a little north as well. It was operated by a husband and wife. They had a son that was a certified rigger. Although he might have stayed in the state of Washington at times, Hag said this guy worked ( as a rigger ) in the state of Oregon. Hag thought it possible that this rigger might have packed some chutes at his mom and dad's airport for some of their customers? As far as Hager could tell these were the only civilian riggers working anywhere near the hijacking. There were , of course, many different military riggers working during this time.      Might this be why Cossey was relevant?  ( if he indeed was the only civilian rigger working that area )  Who else was the. F.B.I. going to go to?

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  10. It almost certainly was Cooper that pulled out the packing card. The bigger question is why? What was was he looking for on the packing card? How could the information on the packing card help him? I think there might be an obvious answer but I'm waiting to hear if there's another reason he might have been looking at the packing card? From a sky diver's point of view is there any reason Cooper needed to look at the packing card?,


  11. I believe there was a switch on the main track that diverted cars onto a short piece of train tracks running parallel to the main tracks. This short piece of track was located between the main track and the back of the store.(pretty sure)  In fact I think you posted a pic that showed this switch. This was a while back.


  12. On 6/26/2021 at 12:00 AM, RobertMBlevins said:

    It wasn't a hobo or a bum because the trains don't slow down enough in that area to do tha

    I don't believe this statement to be correct. I believe that the trains did in fact slow down in this area. In fact, I believe that the trains actually came to a complete stop while loading and unloading cars and such.


  13. The last paragraph goes a long way in explaining my issues with what Eric continues to post over and over. It's nothing personal, it has nothing to do with capitalism, it has nothing to do with CooperCon. It has everything to do with impeding progress in the investigation.


  14. On 5/10/2020 at 1:11 PM, FLYJACK said:

    I got news that the party involved in a 40+ year old crime/mystery which I recently solved is planning a documentary... and they asked if I'd be in it. 

    For me, this mystery was far easier than the Cooper case but goes on my resume as a major win and gives my crime/mystery solving research and critical thinking skills big cred..  and it is a very very cool story. Just like the Cooper case it was an intellectual puzzle but in many ways it was more satisfying than the Cooper case.. the case was stone cold and I solved it completely on my own but I controlled the process and environment. It wasn't solved by science, it was solved by reasoning and critical thinking.

     

    The problem for everyone with a suspect in the Cooper case is the forensics and reliance on the crumbs the FBI gives us.. we don't control forensics and only that will 100% put a suspect on the plane. The best anyone can do is to build a circumstantial case so strong that the authorities are forced to apply the forensics, if they really want to solve it. I don't think they do.. at least at the top. 

     

    Nice work, Fly. Would love to hear more about it. Congrats!


  15. 11 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

    and cigarettes...

    There were shoes available at the time that looked like loafers but had corrugated (military style) commando soles.

    The circumstantial elements fit well. It was 1 mile from a found chute in river next to railway, store was right on the rail tracks and within the potential LZ...

    Nice find with the shoes Fly! The pics show shoes with laces, were any slip on types made? Weren't Cooper's loafers identified as slip ons?


  16. On 3/8/2020 at 8:37 AM, RobertMBlevins said:

    I'm sure you would.

    Here's the deal, for real:  Due to the numerous, and mostly negative comments by other Cooper folk on other websites...who obviously read this thread due to their references on it in their comments...I have decided to cut Dropzone loose for a while. 

    If you have any questions, I am not hard to find. Frankly, I am crazy busy these days, some Cooper-related, some not. 

    I think it's time for some folks other than me to be heavy contributors to this thread. I already told everyone my part in Cooperland was rapidly approaching an end. I did what I could, and the results were nothing but polarizing. Some people pulled out all the stops, went to extremes, lied or used phony identities, (some still do) and frankly I would rather be doing something else than dealing with that. Such as doing Cooper stuff in the real world, for example. 

    But this is the last year for all that. The book, the movie, my autobiography Cooperland, and a couple of other things will have to stand as my final word on all of this. I already have my next sci-fi book planned, and you can bet the farm I am looking forward to doing that rather than anything more about D.B. Cooper. He's been mostly a pain in the ass. B)

    So you post that you are going to talk to this guy and ask if anyone has any questions we would like you to ask him. Then you trash me for asking if you have talked with him yet. Are you sure your name isn't Richard Blevins cause you sure sound like a Dick!

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  17. 11 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

    Two from Hayden

    Two from Sky Sports

    Cossey claims he had chutes sent either from his house, or from Sky Sports...but by cab. We already know Linn Emerick provided two to the WA State Patrol, so NO CAB INVOLVED. Cossey claims a cab. That means four chutes between Emerick and Cossey. 

    Two more from Hayden

    Two more from McChord. That makes EIGHT parachutes. Someone has not been truthful. 

    I just got the phone number sent to me of the guy from Sky Sports. I will call him tomorrow. I would do it now but it's the dinner hour and I need tonight to run up questions for him in advance. 

    If you have any of your own questions, try to keep them simple and post them up by tomorrow at 10AM Pacific (Seattle time). I will add them to the list. Calling him in the early afternoon tomorrow, no work scheduled for me tomorrow and the guy is retired. I will ask his permission to record the call, otherwise I will take notes. If he allows a recording, I will do a transcript. If he doesn't, I will list the questions I asked and provide his answers to them. 

    Could you ask if he remembers a very big guy that everyone called "Bear"?  He was a person heavily involved in the skydiving crowd at that time. He may have had some involvement with the chutes related to Cooper.


  18. 8 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

    The State Patrol delivered the two chest chutes from Skysports. Hayden's two back chutes were delivered by cab and Cossey claimed he sent in two back chutes by cab but that isn't confirmed elsewhere.

     

    I thought agent Carr at one time stated that two chutes (back chutes ?) were delivered to Boeing field by cab before being sent to Sea-tec by a private vehicle driven by an unnamed individual? I think I read this at Bruce Smith's website. I think it was in an article pertaining to Cossey, possibly around the time of his death?

     


  19. As per last few posts...  I thought I had read somewhere that the state patrol delivered Hayden's chutes? Wasn't one (or two?) delivered by private vehicle by someone not named in the F.B.I. docs? Is it possible that Cossey misled the public about the public about the Amboy chute on orders from the F.B.I. ?