Andrade1812

13 hours ago, georger said:

If the tie could be connected to Barb that would be huge .... I am very impressed by your work with Barb. I never could understand what Smith saw in Dayton - now I see it!  Is Smith aware of the work you have done ?

I haven't talked to Bruce yet, no. I should tho, haven't talked to him recently.

I definitely erred by agreeing to do the podcast before I had a chance to put my findings into writing somewhere. My explanation is simply I haven't had time. As some know, I have a young child that takes most of my free time and since his birth I have tried to move away from the Vortex. I also have a demanding day job. Not having something in writing about this is on me. Mea culpa.

To address the criticisms: There is a sample size issue. These results are probabalistic, and a false positive is always a possibility. I was using the Signature stylometry software that is about 25 years old. I would much prefer to let the DNA sample taken from Clara's letter do the talking.

The Forman's will be supplying me with more writing samples from Barb and I believe there's a way to address the sample size issue. I will also try to find reasonable control samples to test as well. (I did test control samples of other writibg about Cooper, but I'd like find something contemporaneous to 1982 when the Clara letter was written)

2 hours ago, georger said:

The tape ran out before Andrade could explain the tie connection to Barb Dayton. Could you tell us what Andrade says about this?  The tie vs Barb Dayton ?  Where Dayton got the tie ???

It is interesting that Barb Dayton was actually Clara ?  wow ...

I was trying to say that the tie was the only connection that *could* be made between Barb and the hijacking since both her stories lack "guilty knowledge" of the events on the plane.

Barb did work scores of jobs as Bobby, and focusing on connecting the tie to her was the avenue I suggested to the Formans.

1 hour ago, WalterRaleigh said:

Given that Karen McCoy is now deceased, she can no longer be defamed.  Could the court order halting the sale of movie rights to The Real McCoy be lifted? 

Do we think the McCoy children will try to profit from a sale of their father's life story?

Profit they might. I doubt it tho. Cooper case is already saturated with media.

The irony is they waited too long. If the McCoy's had made their claims prior to 2016 it would have been seen as practically solving the case in the public eye. Instead, they waited until after all the FBI files showing McCoy could not possibly have been Cooper was released to the public. 

7 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Watch my video to see the cavalcade of information that eliminates McCoy. 
 

Also, that McCoy rig has both capewells and D-rings, which Coop’s chute didn’t have 

 

 Yes... but what if...

We were wrong and the FBI covered up their own mistakes with a far-reaching and very expensive 45 year conspiracy involving scores of FBI agents and several US Presidents?

1 hour ago, JAGdb said:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/10410179/db-cooper-fbi-investigating-dna-richard-mccoy/

It would be a little bit of a disappointing ending to me if it wound up being McCoy.  Mainly because the MOs don't really line up.  How could the FBI be entertaining that parachute with everything that is wrong with it ?  

This is a strange development.

Rick looks and sounds convincing. He's saying he heard his mother confess to helping with the Cooper hijacking and he offered physical evidence. It's also possible that the current people at the FBI simply don't know the results of the investigation into McCoy in 72.

22 hours ago, c99acer said:

psst.... cubby. Which one of these is the "Blockhead with too wide of nose?"

 

You are going to be so annoyed when the FBI declares it was McCoy and closes the case for good.

1 hour ago, JAGdb said:

Thank you for the response Dudeman.

Marty, did your research about WW2 bail out survival rates include bailing out over bodies of water ?  Time for me to pick up your book !

 

I have the data, but it's not in the book. The waters off Denmark were lethal. Unless a fishing boat spotted you or you were close to shore, that was it. Also, the RAF and USAAC had flotation devices that Cooper did not have. Guys who landed in deep enough water without a "Mae West" almost all drowned even when close to shore. 

The water that night was about 10C, so cold but not North Sea cold. I think Dave's analysis is right, Cooper had a chance at survival if he knew enough and had experience in skydiving or in the military. My father did training jumps into water around that time.

No one wants to talk about Tom's plan to send his vacuum filters from the tie to a metagenomics lab?

34 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Didn't they tell you that it was male DNA?

And that's just it, the male DNA is evidence of some level of hoax. The question is how much of a hoax, what kind of hoax, and what motivated the hoaxer[s]

1 hour ago, Cola said:

 

 

 

My take is that this is a visual absurdity.

Painted tin cans! If Gunther wanted to try overt humor he could have wrote it were a bundle of steely-dans that were observed.

I view this line as Gunther's compositional wink wink to the reader. That he's typing away well into the evening and has a good chuckle at putting down this line. 

I chose to think that this is a tell.

 

You can take the top and bottom of the can off with a can opener, then you have a 6 to 8 inch piece of trim coil you can roll into something shaped like dynamite. If you dress it up with wires and tape and make an effort you might get something that passes for an ied. 

I don't happen to believe this but it's plausible-ish. I like the idea of the fake bomb being a ploy by Cooper to Clara to avoid the telling her the fact the dynamite was real.

3 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

No, not Cooper's transmitter, a transmitter planted by the FBI in a chute..  

The only reference was somebody claiming no transmitters were placed in the chutes as far as they knew.. or something like that. 

So it's possible someone placed an emergency beacon in Cooper's chute before giving it to him? and that person never came forward?

45 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

It was fairly early in the files,,,

They claimed no "beepers" in the chutes... but who knows

Those 1971 era transmitters did "Beep" for about 24 hours..

The other thing is that there were two Aluminum plants.. 

The Reynolds plant was not West of Vancouver... that was the ALCOA plant. Reynolds was near Troutdale.

When I brought this up years ago nobody seemed interested.
 

I thought the issue was resolved as not Cooper related?

5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

This biggest influence on the public believing McCoy was Cooper was the Calame and Rhodes book "The Real McCoy"..

One of the foundations of their argument was the tie clasp, they claimed a picture was shown to a relative and it was identified as belonging to McCoy.. 

Was it the biggest influence tho? There are only a few copies of this book available. No way the book created much of an impact on the public when only a few hundred people read the thing. 

Merry Christmas Flyjack!

7 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Headshape that Robert Gregory picked out

 

Catalano

Not really...

I'll also suggest that we have direct evidence of simultaneous planning. Just as Cini was visiting his local paracenter, someone stopped by Elsinore asking questions that directly relate to this kind of crime.

16 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Since I'm writing a book on the topic, it's something I had to define very early on. My definition was a ransom hijacking where the method of escape was going to be to jump out. Asking for parachutes as part of a ransom wasn't enough. The intent to jump needed to be there.

I personally think 11 days was enough time. I'm not married to the idea that Cooper was a copycat, but I don't think any element of the crime would have required extensive planning. I just think the odds are greater that Cooper derived the idea from Cini than the odds that this was parallel thinking. 

The copycats who meet my criteria are:

- Dan Cooper

- Everett Holt

- Billy Hurst

- Richard LaPoint

- Merlyn St. George 

- McCoy

- Stanley Speck

- Henrique Martins - Brazil

- Lomas - Ecuador

- Hahneman

- Heady

- Mac

- Francis Goodell

- Michael Green and Lulseged Tesfa

- Melvin Fisher

- Miloslav Hrabinec - Australia

This is going off memory so there may be a few I've missed. 

There were several others who did demand parachutes, but my research shows they never were intending to actually use the parachutes to escape, so they don't qualify. These include the two Bulgarian hijackers shot and killed in San Francisco in July 72, Roger Holder and Cathy Kerkow, and also the three hijackers who got drunk and threatened to crash the plane into Oak Ridge Nuclear Facility. 

I'll restate, what was the average time the copycats took to actively plan their hijackings? Cini was over a year, we can probably say McCoy was three or four months... How long did McNally plan his? Heady is another one we should have a timeframe on.

Relatively speaking everything is relative. but I don't understand how Cooper is able to fill the gaps in Cini's plan and is able to get everything together logistically in 11 days. It would take me two weeks just to get to the store to buy parts for the fake boom device.

If Cooper was a Cini copycat and was able to plan and carry out his hijacking in 11 days, why did it take so long for the next hijacker to jump despite having a complete template for the crime from Cooper?

8 hours ago, Slim King said:

Rataczak was in on the scam. He was the only one coming out often to be the hero... But his stories were not always exactly the same. He was on the FBI payroll.

*Yawn*

8 hours ago, Slim King said:

I've come to the conclusion that the only people remaining on this thread are the FBI plants that are paid to be here and constantly drag out old BS FBI 302's to re-write the history of one of their biggest Scams.

Why don't you try the Cooper subreddit? 

6 hours ago, Slim King said:

All professional investigators agree the money at TBar was planted....

Name them all

First one, then the other...