Nicholas Broughton

This is a link to a Go Fund Me account being set up for a re-scan of tie particles. Through Tom's goodwill and McCrone Labs' interest in the case, McCrone has agreed to do a re-scan of one of the tie stubs for only $500, which is essentially at cost for microscope time. We are setting up the account for up to $1,500 for the possibility (no guarantees) that McCrone might agree to re-scan an 2 additional stubs in the future at the same cost. A re-scan would provide x-y coordinates with a true "north south" orientation that would allow Tom to look at specific particles of interest more easily and definitively. Thank you for your consideration.

update: McCrone has agreed to run a total of four stubs for us at $500 each. 

https://gofund.me/7a65d011

This is a link to a Go Fund Me account being set up for a re-scan of tie particles. Through Tom's goodwill and McCrone Labs' interest in the case, McCrone has agreed to do a re-scan of one of the tie stubs for only $500, which is essentially at cost for microscope time. We are setting up the account for up to $1,500 for the possibility (no guarantees) that McCrone might agree to re-scan an 2 additional stubs in the future at the same cost. A re-scan would provide x-y coordinates with a true "north south" orientation that would allow Tom to look at specific particles of interest more easily and definitively. Thank you for your consideration.

http://This is a link to a Go Fund Me account being set up for a re-scan of tie particles. Through Tom's goodwill and McCrone Labs' interest in the case, McCrone has agreed to do a re-scan of one of the tie stubs for only $500, which is essentially at cost for microscope time. We are setting up the account for up to $1,500 for the possibility (no guarantees) that McCrone might agree to re-scan an 2 additional stubs in the future at the same cost. A re-scan would provide x-y coordinates with a true "north south" orientation that would allow Tom to look at specific particles of interest more easily and definitively. Thank you for your consideration. https://gofund.me/7a65d011

9 hours ago, WalterRaleigh said:

Did this man ever appear in the FBI files, or in any other suspect theory?  I believe his name is Don Molitor. 

Here he is pictured with Lyle Cameron (light colored jumpsuit).

I came across him he was one of the pioneers of the sport along with LC but nothing to connect and a marking on his chin. 

35 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

There are some interesting questions in there. Retired agent Larry Carr is in the vortex, right? Would he be able to help gain access to evidence? Or if, as some have suggested, there is is an 'inside job', CIA aspect to the case, and an agency coverup, he would be aware of that? If so, why is he in the vortex? Hmmm...

Are you back at Elsinore?

8 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

I guess there won’t be an answer from Nicky because he realizes he’s wrong. Valeria Ostrowski is listed as being born in Michigan. This puts her as a good candidate for the entry in Gunther’s book. I was expecting Nicky to have a rebuttal from his source, but I’ve been told he was blocked. It’s still very convenient that there are no pics of Smith in 1971. 

She was born in Poland and it’s irrelevant… If WJS was cooper he would of died upon landing. 

On 12/26/2023 at 11:21 AM, CooperNWO305 said:

One way Max Gunther’s book has been criticized is that Gunther got a couple of things wrong. One of the main ones is that Clara claimed the Captain came back to talk to Cooper. We know this did not happen, but we do know that Cooper did talk to the cockpit. Clara was clearly a female and talked to Gunther for the first time in 1982, and was relaying the story secondhand. It is not a big leap to think she got a few things wrong, some maybe on purpose, and certainly made up enough to throw people off about her true identity, but keeping enough to keep the story real. 
 

I have four possible hypotheses on who Clara and Dan were. 1. Max made it up. 2. It was Dan Clair and his wife. 3. It was William Smith and his wife. 4. It was Dan and William together. 
 

This little blurb about Detroit, Michigan could possibly be connected to a woman named Valeria who was buried with William and his wife. A non relative buried in the family plot would indicate a close connection. 

 

No connection to the Gunther book whatsoever. Valeria came over on the boat from Poland with WJS’s mother in law, who was 6 at the time. And Valeria was not from Detroit.  She went to NJ and settled in the Polish section of Bloomfield, along with all the other Polish immigrants that came over around the same time.    We are "family"... That is how they were raised.  

A contemporary analysis of Max Gunther’s D.B. Cooper: What Really Happened by author Jude Morrow. 

Merry Christmas to all my cooperites!

5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

But you can't pin it down because the data is not accurate enough and you can't know every environment for any subset of particles or its place in the entire complex of particles.

It isn't science, it is speculation and the danger is to represent it as science.

 

You are entitled to that opinion. We will just have to agree to disagree here fly. At any rate a Merry Christmas to you sir. 
 
Keep Digging! 
 

Nicky 

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

How? 

You can't confirm a registered alloy or even an alloy..

It is like finding mustard on a tie and trying to claim the guy worked in a mustard factory.

When it is more likely he just ate a hot dog..

 

His reply “lol that is exactly what we’re doing. Consider it a gift if you can pin a particle down to a specific time and place. I would argue that’s probably less likely with a “registered, alloy”, because those have greater adoption and are used in more places.”

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Without a registered alloy you can't research a use.. or environment. 

My metallurgist says: “What. Of course you can!”

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

This tells me we can't really rely on the accuracy of the EDS and particles may or may not be alloyed or registered alloys.

In other words..  we can't use the particles with any specificity..

From my metallurgist: “Registered alloys” is still a red herring. Don’t focus on that. Readings with elemental concentration of greater than 1% are perfectly fine even in the automated EDS. With the possible exception of Ni in this specific test.

15 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I was looking at one area/sheet in the file with a concentration of AlMg.. most there do not have a third element and the others are inconsistent.

That tells me either McCrone is a bit sketchy or they just aren't alloys.

 

From my metallurgist: “All automated EDS is a bit sketchy. Especially so if it can’t be checked against a calibrated standard, like here. I would definitely assume that any Al-5Mg particle is a 5000-series Al alloy whether the database is showing me more elements or not. It might also be helpful to reel back a little bit and think about what is meant by “alloy”: a metallic mixture of two or more elements. It needn’t be homogeneous (eg nickel superalloys), and it can include nonmetallic elements (eg carbon in steel)”

11 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I doubled checked the Al Mg particles...

Problem,, most show no third element.. and all the registered alloys have trace elements

So, either McCrone isn't that accurate for trace elements OR those Al Mg particles are not registered alloys..

Actually only 39% of particles that are Al#1 and Mg#2 are only those 2 elements (187 out of 482), while 61% have a 3rd or 4th element (295 out of 482). Table courtesy of Chris Broer. 

Happy Thanksgiving to all my Cooperites! 

34 minutes ago, Chaucer said:

Sorry, the link I posted doesn't appear to be working. 

Maybe someone else can post Tom's presentation at CooperCon this year on "Forensic Bandology".

I won't try to summarize his findings because it won't do his actual presentation justice.

I’ll have it up on my YouTube soon along with most of the other presentations from the conference. I’ll post the links In here. 

5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Does this look like Cossey??

The left image is Cossey.. 

 

Red and white canopy would match this one. 

28 minutes ago, georger said:

How does it explain the money find ?  

In the 'throw bag into river' scenario 10,000 twenty dollar bills are being distributed into the river. Odds are some of it will turn up somewhere. Throwing the money into the Columbia sets the odds to result in a Tena Bar money find. 

In your theory there is no guarantee, not even a probability, that money turns up on a sandbar of any river at all. 

The sandbar money finds requires that the money had to be in a position to wind up on a sandbar, in the first place! Money being found at TBar is no accident but a causal fact requiring previous steps.

Whoever gave him a ride would of had to have held on to the money until June to work with the diatom evidence. You’d think  if the guy got spooked he would of disposed of it immediately like in TK’s scenario of the fisherman who gave cooper a ride and got some money, was fishing on tbar the next morning and heard the news on the radio, disposed of it then and there. But sitting on it for that long then going and burying it on tbar doesn’t make sense. Granted dunking it in the Columbia would be good to remove your prints off the money. Let’s say he disposed of it somewhere else the next day in the CR flood plane and it got picked up, well the rubber bands would of been long gone by June. 

22 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Perhaps we’d have gotten a story like that from a guy who lived outside Brush Prairie if he had a thought that the hijacker landed near there. With everything hyperfocused up near Woodland, it’s possible that a lead like this was just never reported. 

Possible yes, likely no. We we have Jeffries and Hooper in Vancouver ten days after the skyjacking calling in a tip about a white canopy hung up on the I-5 railroad bridge. So I don’t know how deterred folks were about submitting leads that were outside of the fbi search area. The media and news coverage was still big in the surrounding area and the money find ten years later also presented an opportunity for somebody more south of the FBI DZ to make the connection. 

35 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Sure, but not Polaroid camera film of all things. That's inexplicable. 

I'm still maintaining that Cooper was too sly of an individual to be just breaking into stores and risking everything he just accomplished by being reckless. This is a guy who kept the passengers in the dark. He liked to keep a low profile. He'd have just played it cool during his escape, same as McCoy and Mac did. He didn't need to break into a place to use the phone and risk getting shot or god knows whatever else. He could have just kept walking a few extra miles to Woodland and just walked into any gas station that was open and asked to use the phone. Or he could have hitchhiked a ride. He's dressed in a suit after all: "Hey, my car broke down a few miles back, can you take me someplace with a phone real quick?"

I wouldn’t say McCoy played it cool, he was making comments regarding the search that was going on to the dude that gave him a ride home. He said it was that commentary that got him suspicious and made him call in the tip. Cooper got out of the area someway, you’d think if anyone picked up a guy in the area that night wearing a suit, we would of heard a story by now and same with the walking into a woodland gas station.

26 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

You don't think someone breaking in to a store looking for cash and other sellable items would grab some random shit on the way out? A hijacker isn't taking Polaroid film. Period. Cigarettes? Cigars? Polaroid film? These are teenagers/young adults. Doesn't have to be the same kids from that burglary ring. 

If there was alcohol taken I’d be much more inclined to believe this scenario with teens/young adults. I talked to the sister of the owner of the Heisson store, who worked there in 71 and she said break ins from the local honorary punks were common and beer/smokes were the norm. I don’t know how you could say what a skyjacker would take, but let me turn the question around on you. You don't think a skyjacker breaking into a store to use the phone would steal some random shit on the way out? 

15 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

You have the sighting of an out of place man walking West matching Cooper under the flightpath at about 8:10 on the map..  FDR detected a little bob at 8:09...  Same night, 3.5 miles West on the same road you have a store break in...  We can't prove they are connected but it fits better than a random robbery.

That theft ring was taking stuff to sell...  the store break in was personal.

Agreed. Highly doubt it was some kind of burglary ring like this. They are seeking easily sellable items for resale. The items taken from Casey’s were cheap necessity items. Stuff for survival.

On 9/23/2023 at 8:30 PM, FLYJACK said:

Let's put the pieces together... into a timeline..

 

At 8:09 - 8:10,, little bob noted on 305's FDR (Cooper at bottom of stairs, possibly jumping)

A man in a white shirt and dark suit is seen walking West on Lewis River Rd at Fredrickson Rd... virtually under the flightpath at about 8:10 mark on map. 

About 11:00 PM.. About 4 miles West..  Store robbery at 3100 Lewis River Rd..

About midnight, an attempted break in at a rural home several miles south of Woodland. The break in would be about 9 miles from the store robbery. It would take about 2 h 15 m to walk 9 milles,, though he may have got a ride to Woodland.

 

It all fits. This is a very good scenario..

 

Did he have a Polaroid camera, at home??

 

 

 

You could use the film to make a fire.