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  1. Someone named Lynn recently said they were submitting reviews of 2 books on Amazon. Martin Andrade and Bruce Smith. Can someone please point me to those reviews? I only see old reviews.


  2. 7 hours ago, Andrade1812 said:

    Hello Everyone,

    My name is Marty Andrade and I wrote the book "Finding DB Cooper; Chasing the Last Lead" and I'm doing an AMA on my webpage. I believe Cooper survived the jump, that Max Gunther's book "DB Cooper: What Really Happened" gives us a partial account of the real story of DB Cooper, and that the Tina Bar money came up with the dredge. I know I'm new here but I've been on other forums for years. Thanks for reading.

    Welcome! Bring more people with you so we can hear about more topics.  

    I asked a while ago on this page about the dredge.  Do you know where the dredge started?  I hear a lot that the money was deposited on the sand bar.  But where did it come from if it was dredged?


  3. 5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

    Complete bunk…

     

     

    The FBI walked back the Cowlitz Sheriff claims to say they could NOT confirm the Placard was from Norjak. Evidence suggests it is unlikely.

    The wind was NOT a fact, according to FBI docs it was an estimate based from Portland and Salem averaged over an hour. Wind data closer to the area and jump zone have winds from the SSE to S.

    Robert Nicholson’s placard drift calculations are wrong. 

    The flight path is backed up by the AF, F106 Pilots, Boeing, NWA and ATC….

    The TBAR money being found on TBAR doesn’t mean Cooper landed nearby and buried it there, that is poor logic.

     

    Eric’s confirmation bias has ignored and distorted facts to push his extremely speculative theory. The premise for a western flightpath is about as weak as you can get.

    Fly Jack.  I agree.  How could so many different people be wrong about where the plane was?  

    I was looking at your picture of the $20 bill.  What are the little holes in the bill and how did the edges end up looking like they are cut or chewed?  That bill does not look like it was buried for 10 years or had been wet.  Are there bugs that live in sand that would do that or fish?


  4. On 6/7/2019 at 11:33 AM, EJU said:

    Daily DB Cooper Bite. I discuss the questioning of findings and assumptions in the case.

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DBCooperChannel

     

     

    Who is making money off this case? No one.  I hear you speak about agendas.  Don't you have an agenda? This is the pot calling the kettle black.  You are promoting yourself and a book and a suspect and using your convention as a method to do it.  


  5. 20 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

    The most likely time is just prior to his first post at Shutter's forum. If you have viewing rights there, you can track the date of his first post. But don't get me wrong. Just because he might be a relative newbie doesn't mean he can't offer good stuff to the case. It's results that count, not how long you've been in Cooperland. I meet people (mostly via email or at the campouts) who have barely HEARD of Cooper, and then became interested in the case. Most weren't even born when Cooper happened, or at least a majority of them. 

    The problem is whether someone has an agenda that does not include cooperation, even though they claim they don't have an agenda. Or ignores really GREAT ideas because they don't fit with that agenda. Someone who uses an event to their own purposes rather than being the leader in a bigger event. I've always had differences regarding these 'conventions,' and one of them is they don't seem to recruit new fans to the case. The first gathering by Geoffrey Gray was the closest to do so. The annual Ariel Store party was The Biggie. Now we have Eric. Pfft...my ideas were a lot better, frankly speaking. 

    At the time AB staff were working on this 'Cooper Party' idea, we knew that Eric was probably going to hold a convention anyway, and on the same weekend as the Cooper Party. My first idea was to move OUR event to a different weekend so as not to conflict. Brunberg hinted to me that maybe we should do a combination event instead of being at odds with Eric's attempts on a straight convention.

    Our ORIGINAL job, the one assigned to us, was to come up with a replacement for the annual Ariel Store party event, not so much to hold a straight convention. However, I saw the sense of combining the two events (Eric's convention and Brunberg's Cooper Party) into one and I was buying into it. Plus...it would make it easier to get the speakers we needed as part of the program. Brunberg decided to put Eric in charge, in order to save him from having to rent a venue, and because such an approach made sense. 

    So, okay. That was done. I was surprised, but I was fine with it. It solved a lot of problems, and the November event would be the biggest Cooper thing to hit the Northwest, possibly an annual event that got bigger each year. I liked it. Ariel was gone...and this could be an even BIGGER replacement to it. 

    Since then, there has been absolutely nothing said, and there is six months to go. My emails went unanswered and pretty quick I got the hint and AB withdrew its support for the event. Now you are left with whatever Eric comes up with that can either equal or top what we had planned. He doesn't even have to do that. He just needs to make sure the public actually shows up. If he can do this all on his own, even with a modicum of success, then kudos to him. This is extremely doubtful, I think. There was a good reason why we ran things by committee at the Auburn Days Festival, i.e. this committee handled this event, another handled this facet of the event. Because otherwise you get overwhelmed and have to settle for crap. And crap does not bring the bodies to the door. It's possible that Eric will copy some of our original plans and then try to take credit for them without a whisper about AB of Seattle coming up with a lot of them. This is actually his best chance for success, and that is also the main thing. Success...not whether someone gets credit for it. But six months isn't very long to go. He may simply ride on Jim Brunberg's coattails using the Mississippi Studios venue, and although it probably won't be as good an event as the one we were planning for Brunberg, it could still work. 

    Problem is...so far Eric has no public statement at all regarding what he actually plans to do in order to make the program a success. He should do a short video on THAT. B|

     

    I do not have viewing rights on that forum and am unable to see when Eric Ulis's first post was on there.  From what I can tell, he did not post anything on the old DropZone. 

    Eric Ulis-do you have any documentation showing you have investigated this case for 10 years or do you decline to answer this question?


  6. 9 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

    Eric asks for qn's or comments but doesn't respond to anything that doesn't fit his highly speculative narrative.

     

    The "Sky Chef" matches might have come from one of their terminal restaurants, however, they were also supplying catering on various airlines. 

    Sky Chef was owned by American Airlines...  Cooper could have also obtained the matchbook during a flight serviced by "Sky Chef".

    Flyjack or RobertMBlevins: Maybe you can help.  When did Eric come on the D.B. Cooper scene?  The farthest I can go back and find anything is around November 2018 in relation to the D.B. Cooper Conference in Seattle.  Where was he before and where does this 10 years of research come from?  Skydivers have been talking about Sheridan Peterson and his exploits for decades.


  7. 7 hours ago, EJU said:

    Daily DB Cooper Bite. I discuss DB Cooper's ability to move around unnoticed.

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DBCooperChannel

     

     

    I looked at your site coopercase.com and I am now seeing what others have said, that all you are doing is setting up Sheridan Peterson as DB Cooper, and it looks as if the reason is that you are writing a book.  If this is the case, you have stated that you investigated this case for 10 years.  If you do publish, people may want to see proof of your research, especially given that there have been others who discussed Peterson before you.  Do you have proof of any research from ten years ago.  I can find nothing online that shows you in any articles, any chat rooms, Facebook, anywhere.  Am I wrong? Saying you've been investigation for 10 years could come across as an exaggeration and raise some questions about your credibility. 


  8. 6 hours ago, EJU said:

    Daily DB Cooper Bite. I discuss the psychological profile of DB Cooper.

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DBCooperChannel

     

     

    I'm going to take a guess and say your psychological profile fits Sheridan Peterson perfectly.  Am I right? I've seen a few of these bytes, and there is some interesting material in a few, but other times it's like listening to a used car salesman or a TV infomercial.


  9. What about DNA? Can't they find DB Cooper that way?  One more reason to show that the FBI really does not care about the case.  Some YouTube videos and podcasts aren't going to be enough to get this case in the public eye again.


  10. 8 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

    FOUND IT... I had it on my computer but forgot about it..

     

    The 727 emergency aft airstair placard and door. This real image matches diagrams.

    The Hicks Placard is inconsistent with this 727 emergency release placard.

    Hicks placard looks too large and has the rivet/screw/fastener holes. The access door has none.

     

    If the placard was attached on the wall above the access door then pieces trapped under the rivet/screw/fasteners would have remained and been noticed.

    The placard looked too clean to be in the woods seven years.

    The emergency aft airstair release placard part number also references the 737, early 737's had side aft airstairs built in.

     

    Conclusion, unlikely the Hicks placard came from NORJAK.

     

    NORJAK 727 SN 18807 built 10/22/65

    this image from 727 SN 18998 built 03/13/66

     

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    How could there possibly be a part from a 727 right where the D.B. Cooper plane flew over?  Could it have been planted?


  11. 19 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

    When Troy first contacted me about his story, he was pretty reluctant. He asked me not to make his name public. I told him I could only make that promise for a year. So...I withheld his name and a few key details for over a full year as promised. Then...I finally went public about it and notified him about the article. He did not have any objections. (The Cossey thing is different. Cossey actually LIED to a reporter, saying the Amboy chute WAS Cooper's, and then later retracted that story when the angry reporter called him a second time.) 

    It all happened because of a big coincidence. Troy had read Into The Blast, the sort-of incomplete book about Kenny Christiansen, just days prior to meeting Agent Jarvis. I guess he couldn't help himself. He HAD to ask Jarvis if he knew anything about Christiansen and his possible relationship to the Cooper case. If he hadn't seen the book, I'm pretty sure this incident would not have occurred. 

    At first, the whole thing was pretty dicey. He thought I wouldn't believe him, so he sends me everything but the kitchen sink. The names of his friends, where they worked, their contact info, and even some personal references from his own workplace. Everything checked out as far as AB staff could tell. The only thing he got wrong was the score of the baseball game in his email, but I wrote that off as excitement. This was followed by some phone calls we exchanged. 

    Troy's wife also got very pissed off at him, calling him a 'whistleblower,' and reminding him that THEIR kids did swim team with not only OTHER FBI agents' kids, but military family kids as well...and that he could lose his job. This is part of the reason I told Bentz I would keep his name out of it for a year. I actually went longer than that. He contacted me in late August 2016, about a month after the FBI closed the case. I waited almost 18 months. 

    The Troy Bentz incident is not the first time someone has risked their career with the government to reveal a secret, or come forward with the truth, which in the long run of things is better than hiding a lie. Jarvis affirmed not just once, but TWICE, that the real reason the case was closed was because the FBI had discovered KC was the guy, and he was dead anyway. If Bentz' story is true, it even makes a sort of sense. It was only 14 months prior to the case closure that we send the Seattle FBI our 53-page report on Christiansen. Could they be related, the file and the closure just a year later? I don't know. But I did wonder about it. 

    To be fair, it's also possible the agent was jerking everyone's chain, or just giving his own opinion. But it doesn't really sound that way. One thing is for sure. If the movie producers DO end up actually shooting this picture, and they use the Jarvis/Bentz story...someone, somewhere, is going to have to answer for it with the truth. The WordPress article has been out for an additional year and a half now. The Seattle FBI has been told about it. Jarvis was told about it, although I can't say he read my email. We used Jarvis' picture. Minnow Films out of London shot the whole story and used Jarvis' picture and Bentz' name during their documentary shoot last fall, and that will be coming out at some point. 

    No one has contacted me telling me to take down Jarvis' picture, or to retract the story. His picture in the article is from his official FBI profile. Tell you the truth, I am more or less DARING them to respond to it. It is one of the most heavily viewed of the WordPress articles on Cooper. 

     

    The Kenny Christanson story is interesting, but there are a number of suspects who supposedly have the FBI attached to them.  The Rackstraw team says they have FBI backing them up, so does the Reca group, the Sheridan Peterson guy says he spoke to a FBI agent who thinks Peterson could be Cooper. 

    Why could you only promise to keep Troy's name secret for a year?  I think it would be great for you to do a movie, it would help you get people interested in the case.  Regardless of how interested some people are, I just don't see the nationwide interest in this case.  Maybe you can change that.  When I search for D.B. Cooper, most of what I find is about Robert Rackstraw.


  12. 31 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

    You might be right if you were talking about FBI headquarters in DC, but I can assure you things are different at the Seattle office of the FBI. Believe it or not, and even though they won't reveal his (or her) identity, a case agent IS still assigned to investigate (wade through) the Cooper stuff. Yes, they still have a case agent assigned to Cooper. They've actually told me this. And only a few months ago. 

    The public IS interested. I opened the Cooper Space at Quora in November of 2018. Six weeks later we had over 700 followers. 72,000+ plus people have viewed the KC video at YouTube, and the unedited report on him, a 53-page PDF with pictures, has been downloaded TENS OF THOUSANDS of times from the main AB of Seattle website since its release, and shows no sign of slowing down. Two movie production companies have partnered up to do the first ever, dramatic feature film on the Cooper case. Shooting hasn't started yet, but they still send me $2,000 bucks every February until they do...and the newest producer to sign on board has been in 17 movies and a TV series to date, none of which ever lost any money. (I met with him in Seattle this last January) The fifty or so illustrated articles on the case I have at WordPress average 300 unique visitors a day (or so) and have been for years. I still receive an average of 12-20 emails a week asking this question or that one about the case. Our Cooper Campouts are usually a sellout. (Although it is free to attend)

    No...I wouldn't say either the FBI has totally given up on the case, or the public has completely lost interest, especially in the Northwest, although the FBI has said they do have to divert resources to more important matters. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't like to solve it, especially the folks at the SEATTLE office, who are almost legendary in wanting to see it (finally) closed. 

    Or...maybe it was closed for ANOTHER reason...(I know this is arrogant, yes...but it HAPPENED)...and that's because they might already know who he is anyway. And just aren't saying it officially. 

    One thing I do agree with you on these points is that sometimes people can become obsessed. For example, there is so much animosity going in Cooperland that *some* folks will spend half their internet life telling lies about OTHERS involved in the case, and go to almost any ridiculous length to discredit. Others hurt the case by failing to support things that could raise public interest in the case. Your best bet on how to deal with these things is to do what you do to help promote the case, and ignore the naysayers and the liars. B|

    On a side note, five people are now signed to go on the latest Cooper Campout in late June. Anyone and everyone is invited, even if we've had 'issues' before. Internet stuff is one thing. Personal gatherings are another. I can tell you this much. No one has ever complained they didn't have any fun. Six weeks to go, and I think we will be able to fill the usual fourteen slots. I had doubts because this one is in Oregon, and all of the others were held in the Olympic Mountains of Washington, mostly near the Skokomish River area above Shelton. 

     

    I was not aware there is still a case agent.  I can see your point about people in the Northwest being more into this case than other parts of the country.  Thanks for the information.  Do you know if the FBI has a profile for a suspect and has that changed now that he would be an old man?  What is different about a 40 year old hijacker now that he is in his 90's?  Does he act differently now, tell stories in a nursing home, give his grandchildren large sums of money?  Would something show up in his will, or in a foot locker in the attic? 


  13. 23 hours ago, EJU said:

    Daily DB Cooper Bite. I discuss the FBI's decision to close the DB Cooper case unsolved.

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DBCooperChannel

     

     

    The people investigating D.B. Cooper seem to have an element of frustration with the fact that the FBI is not interested in the case, and that in general the public is not really interested in any of the details.  This research appears to be important to you and your friends, but at what point does it become an unhealthy obsession?  Even if this was solved it would only get a quick snippet of time in the news and then quickly be replaced with something new.  Besides, the FBI has much bigger things to worry about, and any tips they get are probably being handled by some low paid, low level employee.  How would you feel if you were a victim of a crime and found out that the FBI was handling tips about a 50 year old case where no one was hurt and they could have been working your case instead?  Or that the FBI missed out on preventing a crime because they were tied up with tips?  I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad, but this seems like a hobby that you really should not get so wrapped up in.  How many people really care about this?  And what if one of these suspects turns out to be innocent? How would you feel?


  14. EJU-I don't see Sheridan Peterson as a strong suspect.  I have some free time this weekend and will do some looking into more details on him.  How does he feel about being named as DB Cooper at aged 93 years?  When will you do more videos on suspects?


  15. How far back to posts go on this topic of DB Cooper? I see February 2008, but it sounds like it goes back further than that.  I might not be using the search function correctly. I thought a FBI agent named Ckret posted on here at one point.


  16. 31 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    also, when researching the C-47 crewman, I kept reading the phrase "do the job" was that a WW2 phrase?

    I don't know.  "Do the job" sounds like something someone would say that has a bomb and is threatening people.  Maybe it has military connotations.  The term ladder jumped out at me and made me think of some of those World War II movies. 

    Did you ever figure out where the dredge started?  That is some good info on the bills you posted.


  17. Flyjack-you posted some files that show he used the term "ladder" versus "stairs."  Someone who flew on military C-47's would have used a ladder to get in the plane right? not stairs.  Doesn't the term ladder indicate military more than someone who was not in the military? 


  18. 19 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

    The bills were Micro'd on a Recordak machine well before Norjak. The Bank had an emergency stash of circulated bills, total $250,000 with $20,000 in $10's and $230,000 in $20's. The entire stash was recorded in order. The FBI had nothing to do with recording the serial numbers. The Bank was responsible for maintaining the integrity of the Micro matching the money. 

    They grabbed $200,000 for Cooper and left the rest but this is where it gets screwy, typical NORJAK. The bank took the remaining $30,000 of $20 bills which was 15 packets of 100. They wrote down only the top and bottom bill serial number for each packet and sent the 15 pairs of numbers to the FBI as well as the Micro list of all the bills. The FBI was instructed to use the paired numbers as start and stop points, remove them from the list and all bills in between which they didn't actually have numbers for. They ignored the 10's. 

    The 15 packets of $20's that didn't go to Cooper but were on the list were immediately incorporated into a new Bank ransom stash which was also run through a Recordak...  everybody following so far..  The FBI was having trouble deducting the bills and creating the list so they asked the Bank for a list of all the remaining bill serial numbers from those 15 packets. The Bank supplied the FBI with the Recordak Micro for the new ransom stash noting the ranges for the 15 packets. Now the FBI had to deduct each bill found from the original list. However, the range for the list was slightly different, the packets didn't quite match, that may be where the 9998 bills comes from, two bills short. There is an error.

    There were two Bank ransom stashes, two  sets  of Recordak Micro's and entire thing was under the control of the Bank. If the Bank didn't maintain the integrity of the ransom stash then the FBI bill list would be wrong.

     

    Consider the ramifications if money was used/replaced from the ransom stash and the Micro wasn't updated. It is very unlikely but theoretically possible that the TBAR money didn't go to Cooper but was used in another ransom payout if the Bank didn't maintain the Recordak Micro. I did find an earlier Portland ransom payout that was never recovered. A little OT but interesting, a guy phoned in a bomb on a plane that would go off if it descended to a specific altitude. He would let them know how to disarm if paid, he effectively hijacked a plane without being on it. He was caught in Portland but the ransom money was never recovered.

     

     

     

     

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    If that money was not DB Cooper's, then it throws off a lot of other theories.  So none of the money ever went into circulation?  Were you able to determine where the dredge started?


  19. 40 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

    The witness suspect descriptions vary and the sketch is a "composite".. so it isn't precise but it was used to include or eliminate suspects.

     

    I have several theories about TBAR I am working..

    The top two are,,

    The money was discarded, not planted within a few years of being found.

    and

    There was a massive 200,000 cu/yd dredge operation in 1976/77 on Sauvie Island right across and slightly upstream of TBAR..  The material was clamshell dredged and barged upstream from the Columbia. It was dumped on Sauvie as a soil erosion remediation project. Theory,, Cooper lost some/all money into the Lewis R/Merwyn (within FBI LZ) and it flowed down to the Columbia, clamshell dredged in 1976/77, barged to Sauvie, dumped, constant erosion loosened it, washed across to land on TBAR.
     

    That Sauvie dredge operation timeline would put the TBAR money above the TBAR 1974 dredge spoil layer.

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    Do you know where the dredge began? Location? Good map. 


  20. 21 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

    Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Taking the 'Cooper Drawings' as gospel is foolish. 


    There are likely aspects of it (them) that are correct, but I'd bet that there are just as many that are not. Pretending that someone is a good suspect just because of resemblance to the sketches is foolish. 


    I thought that there was a good indication that Cooper wanted the stairs down on takeoff. 
    #1 - Is it possible that the FBI & airline thought that would be a good way for Tina to escape, and were going to try to have that happen, completely independent of what Cooper wanted?

    #2 - Cooper didn't ask for that at first, but later during the negotiations. While knowing his true intentions is not possible, I can put myself in his position and try to imagine what kinds of 'head games' I would play. Was he really wanting to jump early, so he didn't ask for stairs down on takeoff until late in the game, to keep the FBI from trying to set up a 'dragnet' close to the airport? Was it just a feint, trying to make the FBI think he was going to jump early, making them scramble to set up assets on the ground close to the airport? 

     

    A couple thoughts on the exit and how he secured stuff:

    Mr Blevins, your 'wuffo-ness' is showing rather clearly. Not trying to be insulting, and you have admitted it too.
    But the idea that Cooper deployed off the bottom of the stairs is pretty ridiculous. The idea that he did it to make sure the parachute wouldn't malfunction (or would have an option if it did) is also unrealistic. 

    Deploying off the stairs would be vicious. The plane was above 200kts. Normal freefall deployment speed is 'belly speed', around 120 mph. There are jumpers who do what we call 'freeflying', going head down or head up. Those body orientations allow the jumper to reach much higher speeds, up in the 180 mph range. Gear for those jumps needs to be 'freefly friendly', which means 'secure enough' that they won't open prematurely at high speeds. Unintentional openings at those speeds can (and has) cause significant injury. 
    There were 'jet jumps' out of 727s & DC-9s back in the days of the World Freefall Convention. I think 377 did a couple. I know there have been people who posted on this thread that did. The exit was...

    Exciting. 
    Going out the door into a 200+ relative wind is pretty extreme. Jumpers with a lot of experience were thrown wildly around. Goggles, helmets & gloves were blown off. And this is from people who were used to it. Just not the energy of a high speed exit.
    Any jumper who has been through training should be able to deal with it. He would slow down fairly soon and recovering to a stable fall position after going unstable is part of every jumpers training.
    For someone who hasn't jumped, the disorientation of the tumbling and wind could be severe enough that finding the ripcord and pulling might be impossible. It's happened more than once with first time students on 'normal' exits.

     

    Most non-jumpers think of malfunctions as 'the parachute didn't open'. We call those a 'total malfunction'. While those do happen, its a lot, lot more common for the container to open, the canopy to come out  and then not open fully or properly. Line overs, inversions (for a round), streamers (again rounds) are examples of malfunctions that the 'deploy off the stairs in case it doesn't open' would not work for.

     

    Securing stuff:
    Mr Blevins posted a pic of a round jumper with a bag dangling below him (the new format took away the post numbering, so I can't say "in post #xxx), suggesting that Cooper may have done something like that.

    The 'dangle bag' is a common practice for military jumpers. It reduces the weight on their body, making landing less of an impact. The bag hits the ground first, which 'unweights' the canopy, allowing it to slow a bit more before landing. The bag hits the ground at the end of a tether of known length, giving the jumper a warning that the ground is 'xx' feet below. This is handy for night jumps, where you can't see the ground.

    But the bag has to be secured to the jumper on exit. It's then released to the end of the tether once under a good canopy.
    If something was tied to a long tether and the jumper exited to freefall, the chances of the tethered bag entangling with the canopy on opening are pretty high.
    There was a tandem pair that died because the instructor deployed the reserve without releasing or cutting away the drogue and main canopy. The drogue had gotten wrapped in the bridle and wasn't slowing the pair down. The instructor should have released the drogue, which would have opened the main canopy. He then could have chosen to keep or cut away the main. 
    Instead, he just deployed the reserve, with the drogue and it's bridle streaming above him. The reserve tangled with the drogue bridle and never opened.

    Eyewitness testimony is questionable, especially if it is under stress or in passing like in a bank robbery.  But there were postings on here from a FBI agent who said that one of the stewardesses spent hours with DB Cooper, and up close.  He seems to believe the witness descriptions.

    I'm impressed with all these FBI files and pictures.  Keep those coming.  Do we really need a picture of James Klansic every 2 hours though? He resembles the sketches, point taken.  The picture from Derek G of the map showing how far away the money was found from the flight path is eye opening.  12 miles is a long way.


  21. Not knowing all the details of the case, my understanding is that most people have spent time looking for the money where the kid found those bills, and looking for where Cooper landed, but no one spent much time looking at other spots along the plane's path like where the placard was found.  It would be great to see your group find something during the camp out.  Have there been hikers in that area or searchers?  What else could be found, the bomb or a parachute?