Westerly
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6 minutes ago, kallend said:But they'll take animal dewormer:
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030208101/mississippi-livestock-drug-ivermectin-covid-misinformationJust consider that another +1 for the virus.
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At least there is one positive to Covid--it's pretty good at finding stupid people and exploiting their stupidity. It's almost like stupidity is the primary risk factor for covid. Anti vaxxers wont take the vaccine, they wont follow any precautions, they wont wear a mask, and they hang out in large groups mostly with other people who share the same ideas. Basically the ideal scenario for Covid to infect. Eventually I think after a few years, we're going to be a society with noticeably fewer idiots walking around, and honestly that's not a bad thing.
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8 hours ago, ryoder said:But if all things are equal between two patients suffering from Covid-19, the one who is vaccinated would be seen as more likely to survive,
Except that would never be the case as vaccinated people very rarely die from the virus and if they do they were probably terminal prior to the infection.
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Hear in the news today that one hospital is now making admitting decisions based on vax status. People without the vax are being told to leave. It would be nice if we can get all hospitals to start doing this.
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I spoke with a hold-out today. He was not strictly against getting vaccinated, but he said he has not done it because he feels that the vaccine was developed so much faster than so many other products that there is no way to know for sure what the long term risks are. Technically he is right, but realistically the risk is extremely small. I explained to him that the risk of harm from getting Covid is much higher than the risk of a defect in the vaccine. However, in all fairness that is a legitimate thing to question. It was developed fast with multiple phases combined. I think for a lot of people they just dont follow the 'Covid news' that much and they just genuinely arnt that worried about it. They see the fatality rates for their age group and they just dont feel like it's worth their concern over something that's not likely to kill them so it's not something they consider much either way and thats why they havent gotten the shot.
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12 hours ago, CygnusX-1 said:That is at the ER or any health center. No vaccine (or proof that you cannot take the vaccine for whatever reason), you don't get treated. Period.
I agree but in practical sense, that would never work. How the hell are you going to pull out your CDC card if you're in a coma from a car accident? Or what happens if you loose it or it's destroyed and then you have a heart attack the next day? Good in concept, but impossible to enforce in application.
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5 hours ago, DougH said:Why should we have a Federal power grab when your private (I assume) employer in the health care space won't make their own mandate?
Health insurance companies should lean on employers, and employers should lean on employees.
Mandate for your employees or your group insurance rates quadruple. Get the vaccine or your stupid ass gets fired.
100% pro-vaccination but we have given enough power to the Federal government recently, and it isn't very effective at using the powers it already has.
My employer did. However, of course anyone can claim a 'religious exemption' and it's on the employer to prove otherwise. So that's a common workaround. Yes, all of those things you said should happen. None of them are going to happen. What should happen and what will happen are rarely one in the same. It's much easier for one person (president) to do it than try to convince 500,000 separate organizations to do it. As time goes on I am sure more and more employers will require it, but the people who die between now and then will still be dead in the future so it will be a bit too late. This is about taking actions now--today. Not in the future when the lives lost will be gone and unrecoverable.
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15 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:Just out of curiosity, how would you propose enforcing this?
You're the one who pointed out how easy it would be to fake a vax card.
And that those who are dead set against being vaccinated would go to great lengths to circumvent the rules.
How has that changed?Same as how cities are actually doing it: providing the card is required to shop at any business. Just like showing an ID for a credit card purchase, no CDC card no purchase. Yea it can be faked. Most people wont go to that length though. Not everyone who is unvaccinated is a hardcore anti vaxxer. Some just dont care enough either way, but if pressured they would get it. Three people I work with dont have the vaccination and when I asked them about it they just dont think it's important and they are not worried about Covid. That's why they dont have it, not because they are strictly against vaccinations.
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1 hour ago, murps2000 said:Reminds me of Pete Swan’s business card:
Speed, Quality, Price. Pick any two.
Except nowadays it's more like pick zero.
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4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:The argument in favour of the American health care system has generally been that it provides better care and is more available than "socialized" health care systems like for instance in Canada. That you can have two of the following three: Availability, Quality of Care, Cost. Starting to look like that argument isn't really that valid.
Maybe pre covid, but the availability is long gone now. I work in the cardiology lab and current wait time to see a cardiologist is about 2 months, and that's if you can get in at all. More than half of our cardiologists arnt even accepting new patients at all. It's like that in all the departments right now.
I mean, yea when the care is super expensive of course availability is better because you're pricing patients out of the market. If we charged $100,000 for an office appointment, you could probably get a same-day appointment with any doctor you wanted because 99% of their patients wouldn't be patients anymore. -
3 hours ago, CygnusX-1 said:The reason why we should not enact that type of requirement now is that if we did there would be too many science denying stupid people alive next year. My google search resulted in a stat that has FL having 1,000 deaths/week. If we stopped it now that would lead to an estimated 52,000 more people in this state which should be dead! It is too crowded here anyway and we don't need those type of people voting in our elections.
Covid is a good thing and we here are lucky to have a governor who will protect us from tyranny such as mask & vaccine mandates so that the stupid can die. This is a good thing and we should not be playing God by preventing the almighty from calling his faithful home.
Well the problem is it's not only the antivaxxers who are doing the dying. Vaccinated people are dying too because hospital resources are overleveraged so people with other medical problems are unable to get the care they need because those resources are being sucked up by people infected with Covid. For example, a friend got into a car accident and broke his leg. He went to the ER and they said he needs surgery otherwise he'll never walk right again. But they also said they cant schedule him for surgery anytime soon because Covid people are needing those resources right now. So he's kind of screwed if he cant find an OR with an opening. That's the real issue here.
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1 hour ago, gowlerk said:Why not? Probably the strongest reason is that the US federal government has no authority to do so. Do you think a law mandating that could pass in Congress? But I do agree that if it could be done it would be a good thing.
Well it's being done at the city level. Multiple cities have done so. So if it's constitutional at the city level, I dont know why it would be any less constitutional at the federal level. Also, no one is technically being forced to get a vaccine. It's get vaccinated OR weekly testing, and I dont see how weekly testing to use services would be illegal as several states have already had similar mandates relating testing requirements for specific purposes.
Also, it doesent need to pass congress. The president can order it by executive action. Even if it gets struck down, at least it will move us in the correct direction and it will give more confidence to other states, employers and agencies to enact their own mandates. -
So we all know vaccinate mandates are in the future. We already see numerous employers and organizations requiring it. Some of their employees called them on their bluff and the employers fired them so clearly they mean business. Some entire cities require it to shop anywhere. This is all good stuff, but since we know we are all moving toward a mandate of some form for daily life, why not just save the countless people that will die between now and then and just put in a mandate right now? Mandate it at the federal level. All businesses are required to decline to provide service to anyone who is unvaccinated or is unable to show proof of a negative covid test within the last 72 hours unless the service can be provided entirely remotely. Done son.
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22 hours ago, JoeWeber said:You'll be enough money ahead to tip your DZO at the end of the day.
Lol tipping the dude that makes more in a month than his employees make in multiple years? makes sense.
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On 8/11/2021 at 9:43 AM, gowlerk said:I am in the process of replacing a young pilot who I like very much. But she won’t get vaccinated so she won’t get the hours she needs to move on in the world. The thing is she is not stupid, she is from a culture and a family that doesn’t want her to get vaccinated.
Then she just needs to sack up and tell her family how it is. Sometimes people need to be told things straight--no bullshiting or babying. Vaccines save lives. Avoiding them cost lives. This is a hard scientific fact and it sounds like she needs to bluntly and clearly relay that to her family. If they still disagree, then so be it. Agree to disagree, but if they loved her they would support her decision even if they dont agree with it.
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Do you seriously think you're going to convenience any anti-vaxxers of anything in this post? Someone who is anti-vax would be extremely unlikely to even click on your post in the first place as doing so would imply they are interested in learning something. The main problem is that most of the anti-vaxxers just flat out dont want the damn shot and that's all there is to it. You're not going to convince them. The only thing that might convince them is an extended stay in the ICU, but at that point it will be too late.
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ZLX is just Aerodyne's marketing name for Vectran. They are Vectran lines.
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19 hours ago, Stumpy said:Unfortunately, the easily led listen to this stuff and share it on the bloody internet. A bachelors degree, even an A-Level in biology will tell you that most of what he said is complete nonsense.
You dont need a degree at all to understand he is a clown. Anyone with half a brain could see that. Also, this dude is another fantastic example of how being an MD doesent mean jack shit. Like literally it means nothing by itself. There are plenty of other 'doctors' that are just as bad as this dude.
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2 hours ago, billeisele said:He refutes many common beliefs about managing COVID.
Only to the naive. Most of what he said is false. There is only one point he made that is mostly accurate and that is that the virus is never going away. That is true. The rest is total bafoonary.
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Covid vaccination status should be a question on a health insurance application. Like smoking, no covid vaccination? No problem, we'll just apply a standard 2.2 multiplier to your rate.
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On 8/1/2021 at 3:39 AM, wmw999 said:Some of those people would have died anyway
Correction, all of them would have died anyway. Every human on earth is born with a terminal condition--it's called humans have a limited lifespan. That kind of makes me laugh when the Trumpsters try to argue COVID deaths as invalid by the premise that 'they were going to die anyway'. As opposed to what, living forever?
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On 7/30/2021 at 10:20 AM, SkyDekker said:Let's just take cause of death out of it all together.
During the period January 26th, 2020 - October 3rd, 2020, 360,000 more people died than the average of the 5 years prior for that period. (The COVID death count for that period was 209,000).
A LOT more people died in 2020 than what historical averages would suggest, something called excess death rate. Now, you may think that has nothing to do with COVID, but that is a pretty weird opinion to have.
There is also the indirect deaths caused by COVID. People who killed themselves due to the mental strains of the endless lockdowns and lost job opportunities. In Japan, for a period, suicide killed substantially more people than COVID did.
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On 7/7/2021 at 10:22 AM, Airhugger said:If you find a job you love, you'll never work again.
Until it comes time to pay the bills and you realize minimum wage doesnt buy you much more than the back of your car to sleep in.
Get a job that pays well and everything else in life will be easier. Get a job that doesent allow you to afford even the most basic of necessitates and even the funnest of jobs will feel like hell.-
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19 hours ago, kallend said:Those of us who have behaved responsibly by wearing masks and, since the vaccines became available, getting vaccinated, should not be held hostage by those who can’t be bothered to do the same, or who are too deluded by misinformation or desire to "own the libs". .
The more inconvenient we make life for the recklessly unvaccinated, the better our own lives will be. Time for some serious shaming.
As far as I'm concerned, Darwin can take the recklessly or willfully unvaccinated and good riddance.
Exactly. Fuck them. I am tired of getting speeding tickets because someone else was speeding. Time to cut the dead weight and let those who want to battle the virus 'the natural way' have their wishes. At this point I flat out dont give a shit what happens to the anti-vaxxers and honestly no one should. Those vaccinated are protected so I say open things full up, no restrictions. Let nature do its thing. Sometimes the hard way is the only way people learn.Insert other media
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That's one thing I dont really agree with. You cant just go deducting employees' pays for various miscellaneous reasons as you see fit for arbitrary reasons. That's flat out illegal. Denying future promotion opportunities, non-contractual bonuses or future pay raises? Sure, that's all fair game. But at the end of the day an employee was offered a certain pay (which is contractual) at the beginning of their employment and you cannot lower that post-employment. Either you have to fire them or pay them what you promised. So make it all or nothing. Either full pay or you get fired. Lowering pay sounds like some CFO saying 'hey, I have an idea of how we can improve profits AND make it look like we're trying to do good'.