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Hi guys, some of you remember I posted video of my cutaway some 6 months ago. Today we know what happened and I want to share it with you because I want others to be aware of such small issue that can cause cutaway.
Combination of Vortex 2 toggles and new risers created problem.
Toggles had loose fit into new toggle keepers so while main was deploying toggle unstowed and caused line twist and cutaway.
I noticed that toggles are fitting loosely so I added some paper inside toggle keepers, tested it and it never happened again.
I asked my rigger to solve the problem.
Thats it, I just wanted to share this with all of you in case someone came upon similar issue.
https://youtu.be/8KsNRu6XEUo -
iranianjumperHere in Iran , we pack our reserve in every six month
Hey, can you recommend good DZ in Iran? I wanna visit Iran and wanna jump there. -
Croatia one year! -
IJskonijn******Instead of focusing on gloves, which will reduce your sense of touch and can have adverse affects in some situations, why not focus instead on the risers? A rigger can put a wrap of webbing to make a fat spot that's easier to grip with bare hands. Look at what CRW guys do. Keep your hands unencumbered.
Because....cold. You can't grip anything very well with numb fingers.
As a CRW-dog, I absolutely LOVE having blocks on my rears. But it has its downsides, for example more bulk on the riser. That may look ugly on packing, or worse, prevent you from properly closing the riser cover. Also, it might prevent pulling down the slider fully. For CRW, we don't care for the extra bulk, it's peanuts relative to the crap we put on our front risers, and the big-ass toggles we have anyway.
And good gloves don't encumber you. If you can operate a zipper with the gloves on, they are good enough. As a matter of fact, having good grippy gloves can help during EP's, since you can get a better grip on cutaway pillows etc.
I have two pairs of akando gloves, both pro black, I cut off finger tips on the one pair and they are usable. Main reason were holes on older pair but they are ok for anything except jumping accuracy. -
PobrauseWhen I first started swooping I had problems with slippery gloves on rears as well.
Somebody suggested to not try to grab and pull on those rear risers but rather push them aside. Arms up ALL the way, lean forward during the recovery and the required input magically happens. Non sticky gloves will help you to slide down on the rears if you want to get horizontal like the cool guys someday in the future as well
The change in technique might feel strange at first but is so mutch more natural once you get used to it.
have fun playing around and stay safe
Thnx for advice :)
And thnx to all other people here. -
piisfishDid you get your toggle keepers tightened by your rigger ?
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DanGI haven't made a real jump in almost eight years.
I'm not a skydiver. I'm a former skydiver.
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Tested it on the ground - result - unstowing on opening.
Left brake unstows as it goes by the reserve - friction. -
piisfishNeumann
Thnx! -
I am using Akando Pro black gloves and they suck. I mean they are low quality piece of shit. But, beside that they are slippery when pulling rear risers.
Can someone suggest some good gloves with good grip?!
Thnx! -
Well I would go for it for 0$ :D -
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skytribeQuoteIf people are ripping out their toggle keepers, it is because they are setting their brakes above the guide ring and not below.
Not always - I've seen them ripped out on a reserve that uses elastic toggle keepers and from the video and instructor comments it opened on-heading without any brake firing or turning.
I will say that the most common cause of blown keepers is incorrectly set brakes though and have seen this often with low experience jumpers.
I never experienced this kind of problem until I got this rig! -
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keithbarDid he literally have that thing mounted with a rubber band around his forehead and a frap hat on top? That's some og don't give a fuck shit right there
Literally...yes :D -
keithbarAhhhh no clicky
Copy - paste :D -
My buddy cam:
https://youtu.be/8KsNRu6XEUo -
keithbarI really like the high tech mounting system your buddy is using for his GoPro
Me too -
RockSkyGirlAnother option on new risers is the anti-fire toggle-riser set you can get from Innovative Parachute Technologies (www.innovativeparachute.com). Any length, any color. The toggles (again your choice on color) have a triple tab system which will not unstow on opening or when bringing your slider down or making a rear riser avoidance turn; the risers also have magnetic keepers for your excess line.
I've noticed that the excess line likes to come free on opening if the risers are oriented such that the rear riser is stacked above the front riser against the side of the reserve tray (what I mean by that is closer to the outside of the container as opposed to closer to the backpad), and that's been true no matter what type of risers I've used. Try making sure you (or your packer if you're using one) lays the rear riser closer to the backpad and the front riser closer to the outside when packing; that might fix your problem, if it's simply a matter of a touchy toggle stowing system.
Thnx for advices :)
Untill I get new risers I'll try to see what I can do with these. I just don't want another cutaway :D -
sammieluHow snug does the cat eye on your lines fit the nub on your toggles?
How snug does your toggle nub fit into the keeper on your risers?
Both are quick adjustments from your rigger.
PS. Be sure you stow the excess brake line to the inside of the risers with the brake line that runs up to the canopy running on the outside of risers. It's a small thing that a lot of jumpers don't even think about, but it can definitely make a difference.
Both fit fine. I will take a photo next weekend in fact. -
sammieluThe force on the brake lines comes from the outside. Routing the line straight up from the guide ring to the outside edge of your canopy keeps all the tension in a straight line - so all the force goes where it is designed to go (up) without an angle that could cause the toggle to twist/shift and come unstowed. As an example, if people are ripping out their toggle keepers, its usually on only one side and it's because they set both brakes to one side (i.e. excess to the right side, not always to the inside)... Ugh. I'm having trouble explaining it.
PS. I'm passing on info from my riggers, I didn't make it up. Proper brake stowing is always excess to the inside, brake lines to the outside, and so many jumpers and packers don't notice it. Those other reasons are valid but have no bearing on my point.
PPS. If your excess brake line presents a snag hazard, stow it correctly. Any rigger can sew your favorite type of stow band/loop/velcro/whatever you like onto your risers, and you can stow it all while you walk in from landing if you need an extra 30 seconds.
Well I did not know that, I was always stowing them to one side. -
rmarshall234A couple of comments...
Can't tell from the video but are you sure you aren't stripping the brake line loose by grabbing the risers during deployment.
Also, instead of fighting the spin by grabbing the risers why not release the brake on the other side to stop the spin.
1. I was careful regarding that because I had similar problem with this before
2. Honestly I don't know, I just went for the risers to solve line twist fast. After I failed instinct told me to cutaway because I don't use RSL and I wanted altitude for stabilization after cutaway.
I now think going for the brakes would be better option but I solved 2 previous line twists fast by grabbing risers and then going for the brakes. -
I want to thank you all for replies, I read them all carefully and learned some new things from you guys and girls.
I will test it on the ground, talk with my rigger and go with one of the options mentioned here. -
Cause of my cutaway (I posted video 6 month ago)
in Safety and Training