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OR...maybe try sponging down the liner with warm soapy water - rinse & repeat. . .let dry Like ya said - ain't rocker surgery. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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So...chlorine gas & hydrochloric acid on your head are better than the sweat funk? I bet that tenting scheme would do more to dissolve the lining~ and THAT would probably rid the smell... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

I'm curious as to what the civilian reenactors use on their 'simulated' combat S/L jumps? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

Well there's yer problem right there... Just get your balls stinking good & funky and ya will quit worrying about your lid! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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There's a difference?! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

I am going to go against the trend... find a good well used, well worn wheeled backpack that is still in good shape at a Goodwill or thrift shop. Traveling to some places it just is better to not have really expensive.. brand new.. stand out gear that attracts the wrong attention that would mark you as a less than well travelled and world wise-savy traveler. Yeah 'cause projecting that ever popular broke-ass drug smuggling devil may care world traveler image ALWAYS gets ya over looked by the locals. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

TravelPro or Swiss Army brands are probably what you're looking for. There are different grades of quality in the TravelPro stuff, to get the top of the line you may need to order on-line or go to an airline employee store...extremely well made and durable - lifetime guarantee but NOT CHEAP. That's what my wife uses, travels internationally 3 or 4 times month. I use The Swiss Army stuff...almost as well made but better price & more easily available. http://www.travelpro.com/ https://www.swissarmy.com/us/app/category/Category/Luggage/4000?f=category&v=4/400/4000&m=add& ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

Yup! But back to the incident being discussed... Just out of curiosity - Has anyone voicing their strong opinions regarding the character & alleged reckless behavior of this BOD member actually spoken with him about what happened? Or for that matter anybody talk to Tyfani to get her take on what happened? Maybe it's just me, but when I step back and look at the big picture as far as the discussions thus far - it seems a fair amount of speculation & hearsay is being considered absolute and verifiable fact. I've seen a few 'testimonials' given by people that say they were there and witnessed the incident, yet even their recollections don't seem to match. I see where there have been a couple investigations by the governing body and their findings didn't seem to deem expulsion necessary. Again...maybe it's just me - but I'll reserve judgement until ALL the facts are on the table & that just isn't the case here...yet. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

Ya think?! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

Debateable semantics Bill... ~when the thread we're posting to proclaims: Rich Winstock Swoop Incident Cover-Up And no proof of such had been forthcoming I'd call it a bit of a hunt... When we're being urged to google the guy in regard to a past 'conviction' that in reality has nothing to do with the incident being discussed & IMO is referenced ONLY as character assassination...I call it a bit Whichy. ESPECIALLY since the 'conviction' part isn't really clear.... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

...and it's just such comments that solidify in my mind anyway, the 'witch hunt' sewing circle hand wringing defame at any cost - bandwagon I see picking up speed with nobody driving. Rich was convicted of a crime? SO WHAT?! Who hasn't been... The only thing THAT tells me is he should have gotten a better lawyer - I hear with the RIGHT shark in your corner ~ Hell, ya can get away with murder. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

An important part of democracy is public discussion. How else will we make the call about how to vote? We are not just unconnected individuals making perfectly-informed decisions for ourselves in isolation. We are a society. In the same way that a free press is a critical plank of a real democracy, this kind of public discussion about elected officials is vital. Your vote is one thing, but if you really want change you often need to convince other people to vote the same way. You do not vote in isolation. The U.S. Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy ~ the organization in question is a 'non-profit' oversight committee with zero power of enforcement. In fact there's actually less than zero power of enforcement if you'll recall the Skyride 'incident'... Again let me preface by saying I'm not defending Rich Winstock ~ what I am dismayed at is the eat our own mob mentality that seems to happen every time one of 'us' screws up. You say 'public discussion' - THIS is a public lynching. Let's take a quick look at the Email Martian received... Are you aware USPA National Director Rich Winstock swooped a spectator area and hit a spectator putting her in the hospital for 6-7 days? ~Yes I am Are you aware there is a very good chance USPA may be sued over this? ~Really? SO the USPA may be sued over an injury incident...happened before IIRC. In today's shotgun approach deep pocket lawsuit mentality it wouldn't surprise me - do you have any actual details or does the 'may be' disclaimer cover any & all comments meant to inflame? Are you aware this is not the first time Rich Winstock has disregarded safety and swooped spectators? ~Nope, wasn't aware of that...hope he now seeing the bad side of doing that. Are you aware there are other safety incidents committed by Rich Winstock with no consequences? ~Specifics Bob... Are you aware Rich Winstock is the Chair of USPA Safety and Training? REALLY?? ~Yes I am...REALLY I am! Are you aware there were calls for him to step down from his position as the Chair of Safety and Training from both inside and outside of the USPA Board? ~You mean like the Skyride thing? Gee, these 'step down' calls get interesting. Are you aware the president of USPA Sherry Butcher is attempting to cover it up? ~Define cover-up and show me undeniable / verifiable PROOF that Sherry Butcher is involved in a 'cover up' regarding an injury incident...since we all KNOW about the incident, she must not be doing a good job covering it... Are you aware Sherry Butcher stated she feels it "was unfortunate" and "rich regrets it"? ~Ummm...it WAS unfortunate & though I haven't heard it from Rich - I just BET he regrets it! What's your point? Are you aware Sherry wrote that the membership does not know or care who is on the board or chair of any committee? Really? ~Yes, I too have seen that 'private email', considering the average voter turn out fir USPA elections - I'd say she's probably RIGHT! Are you aware that Sherry decided to keep Rich as Chair of the S&T Committee as if nothing ever happened? WTF? She even stated she would do the same for anyone let alone a Board Member. What? A Board member gets extra consideration? Especially a Board member???? OMG! ~What am I missing here...Sherry said she would do the same for anyone - how does that play into 'special consideration' exactly? Rich should have stepped down immediately instead of begging Sherry to keep him as Chair. And Sherry should have taken action rather than trying to cover it up. The time for him to step down from the Chairmanship has come and gone. He now needs to step down from the Board. And while we are at it, Sherry should step down as well. Her poor handling of this and her attempt to cover it up is inexcusable. ~Whenever I see statements like this I tend to question the veracity...'Begging' - how do you know what was said? 'Cover up' - show me the money! Sherry should also make public the e-mail she wrote regarding this issue. Why would she not do this? ~Ummm, because it was a private email? Can we see all of your private emails please? Call your Regional Director and the National Directors or e-mail them and tell them enough is enough. Here is where you can find their e-mail and phone numbers: ~Yup, get involved! But find out the facts before deciding to 'demand' anything...otherwise ya end up looking stooopid. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

Please expound on this. Since you're aware of other situations, then be specific. Yeah...and I'm kinda curious about the 'USPA being sued' over this incident as was mentioned in the email the OP received? I'd bet there might be some kind of action regarding the injuries...but USPA? ~ I'm not defending Rich's actions, clearly they're indefensible - but wow, talk about 'burn the monster' mob mentality! IIRC - when the guy ran for the office, everybody and his dog was heaping praise on Winstock. Both here and on Facebook...now we can't get a noose tied fast enough? I dunno...I've seen the 'private email' to the board too, I wouldn't really put it in the category of a high level 'cover up'. Maybe could have been worded better - but heck it wasn't a press release...and strictly speaking I gotta agree with Sherry as far as who better to warn the unwashed masses about doing as you preach. Guy made a major mistake, one of the absolute worst kinds...he hurt someone ~ ~ However the Rich Winstock I've spoken to on several occasions concerning various matters, has been for the most part pretty straight up as far a his goals in improving the organization...and worked hard toward that end. He's one of the few on the board who communicates with the membership openly both on here & his website. He's the guy that was trying to set up BOD / Membership dives coinciding with the meetings...I could go on, but the point is - what say we all take a deep breath & see how this thing actually plays out...see what Rich has to say for himself when he addresses the incident. I agree 100% with the sentiment ~ VERY dumb thing to do, shouldn't have happen & yes it adds insult to injury considering the position he holds...but I too have made regrettable mistakes, learned from it - asked forgiveness and maybe some understanding from the 'family' we so often claim to be. d00d fucked up...we all do from time to time ~ but like my boxing coach in college said after I tried to showboat and got knocked on my ass : Bet he won't do THAT again! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

It can't be as good as the book in your head. I wish you'd start writing it. Even a 'man who's lived forever'.....can't live forever.

OLD GUY wisdom kicks in ~ Headed to the DZ when I see the huge flags at the local car dealership doin' the WinDAY Boogie Woogie. U-Turn & out to the pool - - - with my recently arrived copy of "Red Beans & Ripcords"! By Mike Marcon Only problem I see with the book....TOO SHORT! -or maybe it's just so hard to put down I'm just wishin' it was longer! If you haven't read it...put up a copy! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

Wait...WHAT!? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

Hey Abedy ~ welcome to the jungle! I applaud your courage and wish you great success! Blue Skies!! Edited to add: ~ SINCE this is your FIRST time coming out ~ You owe a case of beer! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

LOL ~ I almost tossed an Ipod a few years back because I didn't know that...thought it was screwed up. Buddy says take off the RayBans Einstein. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

THAT'S the attitude! I never had THAT goal myself...but ended up doing it anyway! Good luck to you!!

Yeah well, he threw it up high. Not the kind of pass you'd see in a real game. Chances are a high pass like that gets intercepted 9 times out of 10. So he's got an arm AND speed! He's a local kid here - actually quite good. Yes there are other athletes that can do that, but STILL. I saw a guy I went to college with catch his own 50 yard punt ...impressive considering his size! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

Had a drunk neighbor show up a couple months ago...beating on the door @ 10pm on a Saturday night, wanting to 'borrow' my Harley to take his wife for a ride!? By neighbor I mean - down the long private drive we live on, 4 houses down the street on the left....met him ONCE last year. Got all pissed when I turned him down....told me to NEVER ask to borrow ANYTHING of his. Ummmm......Ok ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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