DivingWombat

I always thought, skydivers should be a bit more aware of what's happening. But this thread is a proof, that the most ignorant and cockeyed posters meet on dorkzone. Read the paper of the NASA "Owning the weather 2025", read about hundreds of analysis certificats of rainwater before you type your dumb shit about conspiracy theories.

Fully agree!

I see, we have many experts here and everyone thinks he is right. If you have not jumped and packed such a configuration, I would recommand you to stay away from giving WRONG advice. I was in contact with Aerodyne before I decided to buy the whole rig brandnew. I bought on their recommandations. Is that not the way that you dorkzone-experts always adwise? "Don't fool around, ask the manufacturer!" I4, Pilot 188ZPX, OP176. The rig never looked or felt overstuffed. Riggers had no problem to pack the reserve, packers always told me it is a very nice fit. You can pack the 188 main into the bag and close the bag completely - no fabric sticks out of the bag, cover fully closed. The closing loop is quite short. A friend of mine has the same configuration: I4, Pilot188ZPX, Speed 170. Again, it is a normal fit. Not tight, not loose. In the beginning, it takes some time and patience. But after 5-10 packjobs, it packs dramatically smaller. It does pack AT LEAST two sizes smaller. It packs smaller than a regular 150ZP, and definitely smaller than the Safire 2 159 I could still fit into the I4. Tight but ok, cover fully closed, checked by a senior rigger. You can NOT pack a 170 ZP into an I4. If you do so, you def. overstuff the rig. I would not want to jump/pack it. If you still doubt my words, then contact Aerodyne to check. But please stop posting BULLSHIT! What is the brand and size of this container? IconI4 Ok then. An I4 is made for 150s, but people can and do stuff 170s into them. Then you were stuffing a 188ZPX into a space that will hold a 170, but not easily. This does not mean that ZPX packs two sizes small. It means that you got away with overfilling your container.

What is the brand and size of this container? IconI4

I put over 250 jumps on a pilot 188zpx in a rig designed for 130-150zp canopies. It fits perfectly into the rig and packs definitely smaller than the 150zp I have into this rig now. If you say it packs 1/2 or 1/3 size smaller than regular ZP, then you must be the guy on crack or even worse! This is just plain wrong.

Most probably it will never happen. Canada is quite far away But I am ready to take the challenge any day. If you can fit in a pilot 140ZP, the pilot 188zpx will fit for sure. I would like to watch you pack a ZPX 188 into a Javelin J1K sometime.

Why do you recommand buying the same container as for ZP? Do you have experience with this type of fabric? A pilot 188ZPX packs like a 140ZP! If you use a rig for a 190sf canopy, it will be WAY TOO LOOSE! New packers (and many experienced ones) always struggle with controlling the bundle and getting it into the bag before it fills up with air. You can't really learn how to do this by reading about it, only hands on practice with coaching can teach you this skill. ZPX fabric has less bulk than regular ZP fabric. But it is just as slippery and hard to pack when new. The best thing for someone in your position to do is to get a container that is one size larger than needed. If you go with a ZPX canopy, try to get a container that is rated for the same size ZP canopy. Don't be concerned about how small you might want to go some day. If you are still in the sport when that day comes it it always easier to sell a larger container, and it's always easier to buy a smaller one. That's how the market works.

I do not agree with you. It really depends on body size and what is available on the market. I bought brandnew, put already 300 jumps on it, downsized and can still downsize two more sizes.

A safire 2 159 fits easily into an I4. Tested this October with a brandnew parachute. A 169 might fit but will be very tight I guess.

What is the weight of Ernesto? I know from a promo-video, he looks pretty small. I guess something like 125 pounds max.

Might be worth to spend some minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU1mL3YLOIY

Thank you for posting and discussing this topic! I've seen quite a lot of experienced jumpers who don't stow the excess and think it's ok. Many of the less experienced guys do the same and think it looks more pro-style...hah!

You thought the flare (NOT flair! Wtf...some of you are even native speakers) is not ok and did not look up?! Just to remember: This given piece of fabric over your head is the shit which brings you to the ground...hopefully uninjured. It would be a wise choice to do a visual check.

You are a very good salesman for LASIK, congratulations! I would have done it already if there wouldn't be the risks! Just be fully aware that if it goes wrong, you won't jump anymore and that might be your smallest problem then. I know a couple of guys who did it. None of them is completely happy... As a sidenote: "Conspiracy theory" is invented by the CIA!