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  2. sundevil777

    How long should it take to get on a load?

    You are not the only one that has figured that because a shirt or pullover is tight fitting, or because you have it tucked in that it is OK. You are wrong. Please stop trying to find a reason for the advice to not apply to you. It is dangerous, and we know that because others have proven it. Your instructors should not allow you to jump like that.
  3. birdynamnam

    ATC vs Freak 3?

    A recent posting on statistics on performance comp results shows that ATC's scores marginally higher than Freak1-2's. Its not the suit, its the pilot, I know, still less experienced flyers would tend to be flying the ATC rather than the Freak1-2's, so I do find it interesting. In a PPC comp, the glide is more important than speed as time/distance scores require lift and glide. For XRW the ATC's clearly demonstrate as much lift capacity in the slow speed area as the Freak's. Been flying with a Freak3 pilot lately. I clearly see it has become alot faster than previous versions, so it is a moving target
  4. Hi, I'm jumping a Javelin Odyssey RSK-1 (2018) with a NZA Crossfire 3 114 sq.ft. in it and am having a problem doing Clear & Pulls. Packing the rig as recommended in the manual (with the d-bag rotated with the bridle attachment towards te bottom of the reserve container) I have 7 second delays doing a Clear and Pull (pulling about 2 seconds after exit). The pin is pulled immediatly but the d-bag does not lift from the container for about 7 seconds. I had my rigger check the rig, bridle and pilot chute and everything is the way it is supposed to be. I have measured the required force to rotate and lift the d-bag from the container and when pulling the bridge at a 45 degree angle (towards the top of the container) it takes 14.8 Kgs (32.6 Lbs) to pull the bag from the container. Pulling straight up at a 90 degree angle the required force is 11.4 Kgs (25.1 Lbs). I understand the dynamics of forward and downward speed doing a clear & pull and can see why it takes a while for the d-bag to leave the container but am very uncomfortable doing clear & pulls like this. I have resorted to packing with the d-bag upright and this solves the problem but the container doesn't close nicely this way. Does anyone know the specifications for the maximum pull-force needed to lift the d-bag from the container? Is the required pull-force outside the specifications or should I look at the pilot chute not creating enough drag as the source of the problem? Best regards, Peter
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  6. Cody71

    Volt 135 6/20/2017

    Time Left: 29 days and 22 hours

    • FOR SALE
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    Parachute Systems -Volt 135 -DOM- 06/20/2017 -Brand new line set and slinks -Approx 300 jumps Buyer pays shipping

    $990.00

    Fayetteville, North Carolina - US

  7. mrshutter45

    DB Cooper

    As I mentioned before in the document I posted. the evidence is clearly marked with a letter. that chute is not and appears to describe a front chute. something is wrong somewhere but I don't think it's extra chutes. I have another document that states Cooper has a 28 foot chute NB6. then they list a front chute 24' white with "NORM D" inscribed on the front. this was in reference to a chute found in 2001.
  8. Is it me or is this thread made of bots talking to each other?
  9. RobertMBlevins

    DB Cooper

    My vote always went to Billy Preston. I just received a message from Doug Kenck-Crispin. He likes my search project video. Of course he does. I like he and his dad as well. I think I will try and convince he and Kick Ass Oregon History that we are not crazy, after all. We're going in June for sure. This is more exciting that the other Cooper campouts. Maybe even the Eclipse Trip. Now some folks from Infamous Nissan have decided to show up as well. I told them to buy metal detectors at Amazon. Don't you hate reruns? I do, unless they are on ME TV. Be there, or be square.
  10. dudeman17

    DB Cooper

    You also asked something a while back about drop zones owning chutes,'keeping a few around in case someone wanted to make a first jump...' Actually yeah, drop zones definitely have student gear specifically for training first jump (and beyond) students. In fact, that's the bread and butter of their business. The idea of someone coming up with their own rig, and showing up at a dz to give it a try, that ain't gonna happen. In those days it was a static line program, you did a few of those and transitioned to freefall with short to increasing delays. These days first jumps are either tandem or AFF, freefall jumps from full altitude. Static line is all but obsolete these days, as are round parachutes. Which begs the question - Have any of you Cooper researchers ever made a jump? It would be real easy for you to find a drop zone near you and do a tandem jump to check it out.
  11. dudeman17

    DB Cooper

    Hmmm. Never knew Pete Best was a skydiver. Sorry
  12. lars_d

    Valkyrie VK 096

    Time Left: 29 days and 20 hours

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    500jumps, second lineset HMA 500, 60 jumps on lineset, no freefall, RDS and standard slider, DOM 2015 serial VK-00084, 2400USD, 2100€

    $2,400.00

    Hannover

  13. RobertMBlevins

    DB Cooper

    "An integral part of this parachute...." Then it names another canopy, while still referencing the container above it. Nothing is mentioned about another container. I still think it's a screw up by the FBI, probably out of the Reno office. You have to look at all the other evidence. Remember the chutes on board were first investigated in Reno, and that means any chutes they saw were loaded in Seattle. All reports say only TWO were found on board. One bailout backpack rig, one certified belly reserve, that's it. We already know a third was a trainer, and the fourth one Cooper used to bail the party. Without a container, or a specific reference to a THIRD parachute being found on board in Reno, your theory is hard to swallow. You have a possibly mistaken entry on an FBI file, but all the other evidence points to a much simpler version of events. Four chutes delivered to the hijacker. Two bailout rigs, one belly reserve, one trainer. Reserve is thoroughly confirmed. Trainer is gone. One bailout rig in the WSHM. The other taken by Cooper. There is no conspiracy here to defraud the public by parachute. The FBI says four and they have for decades. The evidence shows that except for a wrong size and a different number. Evidence shows it was the NB6/8 that was missing when the airliner landed in Reno. Two chutes only on board. PINKY and MUSEUM PIECE. Your theory could be valid, but you need one additional thing to make it work. You have to find the Fifth Beatle, the fifth container.
  14. FLYJACK

    DB Cooper

    It makes perfect sense... you just don't see it yet. Cooper didn't jump with either of Hayden's chutes.. He got the 1957 back SN 9/57 (never given to Cooper) The other was left on the plane by Cooper. SN 7/60
  15. RobertMBlevins

    DB Cooper

    EDIT: I deleted my comment here after I inspected the photos of PINKY at the Citizen Sleuths. I think the FBI just screwed up in their report file. They have two different canopies supposedly connected to the same frickin' container. Even to a whuffo like me, that makes not a bit of sense. How could they name ONE canopy and give its diameter and serial numbers, and then say 'another' canopy associated with that parachute has different numbers and size? This makes absolutely NO sense. They don't say there is a second Pioneer. They just say there are two different canopies associated with it. My Excedrin bottle is empty. I want to go camping. Like badly. Too bad I have to wait for June, damn it.
  16. dudeman17

    DB Cooper

    The back bailout rigs don't have D-rings to attach the front reserves because they basically ARE reserves. Someone a while back said something about 'no one delivering D-rings' to hook them up'. I doesn't work that way. The D-rings are sewn into the harnesses of sport mains. The front-mount reserves do not have harnesses and could not be independently jumped - there'd be no way to attach the parachute to the person. I read or heard somewhere that the possible reason that Cooper asked for 4 parachutes was so that they would give him good ones for fear that he might make one or more of the crew jump. The fact that they gave him 2 unusable ones, dummy or not, especially if they came from different people is kind of strange. Perhaps they were being clever, 'yeah we gave him the four he asked for', but only two are usable. The thing about Cossey moving the ripcord on one of them. Like Mark said, that's not that unusual, there are a number of reasons that might be done. The weird thing about that is, in that article about the parachutes that I believe Flyjack linked a while back, Cossey figured Cooper for a no-pull bounce because he thought that rig would be difficult for a non-experienced jumper to deploy. That doesn't make sense to me. Anywhere you could mount that thing on the front of the harness, it would be in reach. If anything, it may confuse an experienced jumper a bit if it's not in the 'normal' place (I doubt that, though), whereas a novice would just see where it is and figure that's what you pull. Also, Cossey, an experienced jumper and rigger, thinks that an inexperienced jumper would have a hard time deploying it, yet he would normally give it to a pilot (remember it's a bailout rig) who's probably NOT an experienced jumper? Cooper would have a lot more time to figure out the pull from 10 grand than an aerobatic pilot who's about to go in would. Hell, that rig could have been on Tina's back.
  17. RobertMBlevins

    DB Cooper

    That FBI report you quoted doesn't make any sense. It references two canopies in the same container. One part of the report says the canopy is *this* size, then right below it gives another size and a different number...but it also says, 'this was an integral part of the parachute,' meaning the one they just listed. It doesn't make much sense. The report is screwed up for sure. It never indicates a second chute, a second Pioneer. It only references a different canopy than the one above. It does not actually say there was a second Pioneer on board. I think its an FBI screw up somewhere. The one BIG problem with this whole scenario is that all reports indicate only FOUR chutes were actually delivered to SeaTac. There is nothing about a fifth. You have a weird file from the FBI, and then you have Cossey being untruthful, as well as Hayden's testimony and the report by Detlor. Which makes more sense?
  18. FLYJACK

    DB Cooper

    You completely miss the point. Hayden is being truthful and Cossey's statements are entirely irrelevant. The FBI evidence is clear, Hayden did not get returned to him the back chute that was found on the plane (1960). It was his other chute (1957). << That is what you are missing. Follow the logic from there.
  19. FLYJACK

    DB Cooper

    You didn't read the docs very carefully, the years don't match, the type and serial numbers don't match. These things including the measurements are written on the card, the guy may have assumed length instead of diameter. However, these are the two different Hayden chutes. In evidence custody.. Both of Hayden chutes. 1. Pioneer 26 ft white ripstop conical, type 226, SN 9/57 (1957) packed by Cossey 5/21/71 (Hayden got this one back) 2. Pioneer 24 ft white ripstop conical, type 260-9707, SN 7/60 (1960) packed by Cossey 5/21/71 (This back chute was left on the plane, ID'd by National Guard) So, Hayden got back one of his chutes that never went on the plane. It doesn't really matter what Cossey says, this proves that Cooper did not jump with either of Hayden's chutes.
  20. RobertMBlevins

    DB Cooper

    I just went to the Mountain News article and read it. Cossey was not being truthful. Here's one indicator: If those chutes were actually HIS...the FBI would NOT have returned the Pioneer to Norman Hayden. They returned it to him because they knew it was his. Hayden has also claimed a rental arrangement with NWA on those two backpack chutes, said he got a check from them later. I interviewed this guy for almost two hours. His testimony matches the report by Agent Detlor to a T, except he tossed in the rental agreement stuff during the interview. He had no motivation to lie about those chutes. He was offered money by the WSHM and turned it down...just gave it to them. He could have put it on eBay for thousands. Cossey, I am sorry to say, is the one not being truthful. He brushed off the FBI on the Amboy chute investigation by claiming both to them and the media that it was made of silk, which is baloney. Even if the Amboy chute ISN'T Cooper's, the manufacturing date on the canopy says Feb 1945. There were no silk canopies being made in February 1945 because virtually ALL silk came from Japan at that time, and we hadn't even gotten around to nuking them yet to end the war, and start up the silk trade again. They were made of NYLON. He lied to a Seattle reporter about that chute and almost got the guy fired. Hayden's version of events is not only backed up by a solid report by an FBI agent, but he never tried to cash in because of Cooper. If this is a question of credibility, I choose to believe Norman Hayden and Agent John Detlor of the Seattle FBI.
  21. dudeman17

    DB Cooper

    Anyway, I'm not a rigger, certainly not a 70's rigger, but I am a 40-year skydiver/instructor and here's a few general things about the parachutes. The measurement, 24', 26', 28', refers to diameter, not length. That was a typo/misunderstanding by whoever typed that report. Harness/containers and the parachute canopies are separate things, they connect at the connector links between the risers on the container and the lines on the canopy. That means that the container could hold whatever size canopy the rigger put into it, as long as it fits.
  22. dgrabowski

    Aerodyne Icon harness sizing

    I think that since the dropzone converstion to the new format, some things like embedded files got broken. Here's the sizing chart. ICON Harness Sizing Chart.pdf
  23. RobertMBlevins

    DB Cooper

    Cossey did NOT provide chutes from his house at the time of the hijacking. I will come right out and say it. That is a LIE. He did pack three of the chutes provided to Cooper, sure. He may have even owned the belly reserve that was popped, and maybe even the dummy reserve. But there is absolutely no evidence supporting the idea that Cossey PERSONALLY provided chutes on the evening of the hijacking. Or that more than four chutes were delivered to the airport. The truth is much simpler. Cossey was the rigger. Linn Emerick at Sky Sports handed over the chutes. Hayden had his two backpacks shipped up by cab. That's the truth. Listen to Agent John Detlor. He was right. And his report matches exactly what Hayden said in his interview. You are trying to cram more chutes into the scenario then were actually delivered. I saw the FBI files you posted and I studied them thoroughly. Except for a reference where the Reno boys called a 26 foot Pioneer a 24, when the packing card was right there in front of them, I don't see the logic here.
  24. dgrabowski

    Icon I2 + Smart 120

    Time Left: 29 days and 17 hours

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    Aerodyne Icon I2 DOM 07/2013 Serial #12604 SKYHOOK Miniforce risers Recently back from Aerodyne for minor repairs WASHED - clean! Looks sharp. Burn on one riser cover- does not affect airworthiness (as per mfr.) 400 jumps Last owner was a 5'7" female, 145lbs. Harness size E-A-D-E Aerodyne Smart 120 Reserve DOM 11/2011 Serial #12340 Data card lists 5 packs and zero rides. FULLY RIGGER INSPECTED Available in for inspection / pick-up in Jersey City, NJ or Fayetteville, NC (yep, next to Raeford). Ships anywhere (buyer pays shipping + insurance) Currently unassembled (for factory repairs, inspection, and wash). Can be delivered to you in current condition, or assembled, or packed and ready to jump, or packed with YOUR AAD [you send to me] and ready to jump (extra rigging cost for any of these options, obviously). Asking $2750 I didn't take more photos of the reserve, risers, main d-bag, etc - but happy to do so for an interested buyer.

    $2,750.00

    Jersey City, NJ

  25. FLYJACK

    DB Cooper

    Basically yes... The chute Hayden got back wasn't his Pioneer found on the airplane. That means Cooper did not use either of Hayden's chutes and since Cossey had claimed he supplied 2 back chutes form his home then Cooper must have used one of Cossey's chutes. This article by Bruce gives the background.. https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/25/db-cooper-case-heats-up-again-with-controversy-over-parachutes/
  26. RobertMBlevins

    DB Cooper

    I have examined the files you posted. Except for the card and a measurement notation by the FBI, I don't see where you get this magical third chute. You think there were five chutes delivered to SeaTac? I don't see it. I see a minor mistake on a report about size, but both the packing card and the report say it was a Pioneer. Where is this third chute you keep referring to? All reports say only two were found on board. Sounds like you are trying to add a third backpack only based on a 24 or 26 measurement.
  27. FLYJACK

    DB Cooper

    No, I never claimed nor do I believe the belly reserve belonged to Hayden. The docs don't say that either. So, I didn't go wrong. You have everything mixed up. That FBI doc lists 3 chutes in evidence dated 11/26/71.. Hayden's two back chutes and the front reserve from Issaquah. Cooper did not jump with either one of Hayden's chutes.
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