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  2. pchapman

    What does 'deep brakes' mean?

    'Deep' is relative to whatever the stall point of the canopy is. Which could be with toggles past full arm extension, or chest level, or whatever applies to you and your arms in that particular harness with that particular canopy. So you can fly with no brakes, shallow brakes, moderate brakes (or medium or whatever term you want), or deep brakes. There's no specific definition (eg, "75-99% of the usable brake range before the first pre-stall rocking"). It's just "a lot of brake, getting closer to the point where you would stall the canopy or have arms fully extended". In deep brakes the canopy will fly a steeper line towards the ground, a steeper descent. The canopy might be dropping vertically faster than in moderate brakes, although possible less than when in no brakes, if it is a ground hungry canopy with a high descent rate in normal flight. It is easier to hit a target on the ground when coming down steeply, rather than skimming by at a shallow angle. Deep brakes is good for that. If too deep, you are getting closer to a stall, and thus susceptible to added danger from turbulence or accidentally stalling the canopy. You also won't have much energy left in the canopy for a flare, which isn't a big issue if doing accuracy with a big canopy onto a soft tuffet. If you do need to descend steeply (e.g., landing into a small field surrounded by trees), but would hit the ground too hard without much flare, you might need to have the room to pick up some speed again (out of deep brakes) before doing a flare with more effect. You might also fly in deep brakes when learning about and practicing approaches to stalls and doing stalls, while up high. Flying in deep brakes is therefore something with some added risk if not done appropriately, and not generally needed for normal flying and landing (excluding the dynamic activity of the flare), but is useful in specific situations.
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    DB Cooper

    28 ft non-steerable, winds were estimated by using/averaging over time the Portland and Salem data. Initially they thought from the W, then SSW but close to 8 PM they were ESE and were shifting to S and SSW. So, like almost everything in this case,,, ???
  6. It's rather interesting that everyone (including my prior posts) are talking primarily about 'death'. We talk about 'deaths per xxx', or how likely you are to die. While that is perfectly understandable, for a couple different reasons, it ignores the injury potential. One of the reasons that injury is often overlooked is the reporting/statistics. Deaths are tracked a lot better, if for no other reasons than they make the news. At least in the US, it's pretty hard for a skydiving death to happen without the government (local & FAA) getting involved. Injuries are different. While many are reported to USPA, many are not. I can think of a lot of serious injuries (hospitalization serious) that never showed up here or in Parachutist. I also know a lot more folks who have suffered serious injury than have been killed. I'd guess that many injuries are 'self inflicted'. Swooping being the most obvious. Don't swoop, you won't misjudge a big turn and pound in. But not all. In addition to the classic 'swoop gone bad' injuries, turbulence or misjudging a 'normal' landing can have a bad outcome. Freefall collisions, bad exits (hitting the door hard enough to break bones), dislocations (primarily shoulders) during RW, that sort of thing. To disregard that risk, to only look at deaths, is to only see part of the total picture.
  7. pms07

    Randy Iverson

    Sad news indeed. Randy kicked me off the Baldwin drop zone back in the mid-'70s but likely I deserved it. Still, we got along well and he welcomed me back a week or two later...
  8. CoolBeans

    What does 'deep brakes' mean?

    What does it mean when skydivers fly in 'deep brakes', especially for accuracy landing? My understanding is that any skydiver can fly normally or fly in 'deep brakes'.
  9. Jyadz

    What does 'deep brakes' mean?

    Deep brakes is when (mainly in BASE) you set your brakes deeper so that when your canopy opens its flying forward at a very slow speed to prevent object strike in the case of an off heading. This is brake setting that comes with your BASE canopy or some people will set up custom deep brakes. Pulling your brakes to knee level is the flare and is not deep breaks. Deep breaks still let the canopy fly forward just slower while the flare is about stalling your canopy. If your in deep breaks and you pull the breaks to your knees (flaring) your just going to have less flare power vs flaring from full flight.
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  11. Is it when I hold toggles all the way down, around my knees? Also, especially in base community, I know that some people adjust brakes to be at 'deep brakes' level right after canopy inflation. What happens when they pull the already 'deep brakes' all the way down to knees level?
  12. In answer to "Is skydiving dangerous?" The answer is yes, anyone who says otherwise probably has not considered all the possibilities. You can do everything correct and have perfectly functioning gear, and still die. Are the risks, generally, manageable? Sure. But acknowledging that we participate in a dangerous activity seems like the first step of risk management.
  13. Honest question: Would the fact that the lines are fatter mean that there would be more area of the line acting on the grommet? The line itself may be 'draggier', but the larger surface area contact would also increase drag.
  14. sundevil777

    How long should it take to get on a load?

    You stated that you were looking for a jumpsuit. That sounds like it would likely happen some number of jumps in the future. You mentioned that your pullover and shirt were snug, tight fitting, you asked if it looks like the shirt is loose. That sounds like someone that thinks the problems with wearing a t shirt are related to whether it is loose or not. That doesn't solve the problem, and it is quite reasonable to think that you don't get it, even if you didn't explicitly reject my advice. It is common for newly aspiring jumpers to not at all realize the myriad ways things can go wrong. Those that have been around a long time have accumulated a lot of first hand, and much more anecdotal experience that can keep you from being a statistic. You can see plenty of people jump in t shirts, and of course they usually are ok. You are a novice, and should not be violating this safety practice. I don't care if some DZs let students do it, it is a real risk that is easily avoided. Perhaps some others here on the site will convince me otherwise, I'm open to being convinced, but I don't think it likely. You are past the formative assessment stage. That was when you were a complete newbie. Now everything is most definitely an authentic, summative assessment without the opportunity for re-takes to achieve mastery status. If you are surrounded by lots of old timers (almost everyone is an old timer to you), they may grant you bits of wisdom, and that wisdom may come as they just walk by you doing something and blurt out some advice. That advice may not be delivered with a positive, supportive tone, scaffolded based on your prior knowledge, differentiated for your own learning style, to impart understanding by design. No, it may be possible to be offended by their delivery, but they wouldn't be giving you their advice if they didn't care about you. If it isn't clear why their advice makes sense, then first assume their intent is not to offend, but to help, stop them, thank them for caring and talk about it. I think that in our profile on this site, if you are a student, your "discipline choices" should be limited to just one - staying alive, made more likely by making all efforts to not repeat the bad stuff others did. I do understand how my earlier post can be seen as rude. I apologize for that. I understand how this post can be seen as rude. I don't care about that, I am intentionally being blunt. If you're in Ohio, or if I go through Colorado, we should definitely jump together.
  15. JJG78

    DB Cooper

    How far back to posts go on this topic of DB Cooper? I see February 2008, but it sounds like it goes back further than that. I might not be using the search function correctly. I thought a FBI agent named Ckret posted on here at one point.
  16. Tracking is one of the most pertinent skills in the sport. Tracking properly and safely can absolutely save your life. At camp Flock off we teach you all of the basics of group tracking and movement, then tune you up and make you a sharper, more aware and skilled flocker. We know we all want to flock our very best. SEPTEMBER 21-22, 2019*You will learn how to safely:*~Exit- floating and diving~Approach- what if I’m out of slot?~Break off- where do I go?~Deployment and landing - Where is everyone? Where ARE we? ~Off LandingsThis will be a mixed level course with groups decided upon and split up by skill level. Whether you’re fine tuning heading control and flying on level or trying to get in for that surf dock, we have a slot for you.This is a full weekend, rain or shine- camp. (We will have make up days in July and September should flying be stunted by weather.Day 1: Early arrival to knock out the seminar and all of the necessary ground work. What we do on the ground we do in the air. Be prepared to creep!Split into initial groups to assess skill level and better organize.Tentative Daily Schedule:Day1:7:30AM Arrival: SeminarJump 1: debrief and rearrange groups as necessaryJump 2&3: Debrief while having lunchJump 4-5: DebriefAny access jumps will be debriefed at the end of the day.Day 2: 8am arrival and simple debrief from previous days experiences. Fuel up + Chat as a group.Jumps 1-3: debrief and rearrange as necessary + lunchJumps 4-5: debriefJump 6: large group(s) sunset canopy Flock before we cheers to a beer light and some noms.So, you wanna flock with me?What you need:~A license (contact me directly if you have <100 jumps)~USPA Membership~Audible &/or mudflat mounted altimeter~$125 registration fee + your slotsWhat you get:~Two full days of instructed and debriefed flocking with full video on USB flash drive~Goody Bags~Food + Beer at the end of it allContact me directly to sign up!!
  17. Christopherg


    Wolf is right about staying Hydrated an well fed. Stay healthy and stretch often. You will be suprised at how sore you can get after a few jumps. Bring a lunch an bunch of snacks. Lots of water. If im not picking some jumpers brain for advise im either eating,stretching, or sleeping. Above all else once you get over the I could die doing this thought you will start to have so much fun either during freefall or under canopy. They are 2 totally different experiences..Enjoy them both. Listen to your coaches and don't over think anything. Stay loose an hold your arch.
  18. Calling all Wicked Wingys!! September 12-15, 2019This is a more advanced wingsuit camp. Participants must be able to fly their slots on back or belly. At least 200 wingsuit jumps required. Suit sizes will be standard flocking suits. Travis will be flying his TonySuits Gnar Bird. The first days (Thursday and Friday) will be focused on skill building so that we can make some beautiful formations on the weekend. The aim will be 5-6 jumps per day. Contact Travis for more information at or
  19. This is the Nationals for beginning skydivers. All rookie skydivers from any dropzone are welcome to participate in this 3-way scrambles style competition.Teams change each round based on a random draw, but will always include one experienced ‘coach’ (members from SDC Rhythm XP, SDC Core, Rook Nelson and more!). Scores will be judged by an officially rated judge and prizes are awarded to the top three individuals.The winner will take home a Rookiefest Trophy that will give the DZ bragging rights that they produce the best students.We invite jumpers from all dropzones to participate. At the end of the first day join us for a brief seminar on topics that cover gear, canopy, exits, safety, competitive skydiving, formation skydiving and more! In the evening come to our famous Tiki bar to enjoy dinner and drinks.ELIGIBILITY: Rookie skydivers can participate in up to 2 Rookiefest Competitions, provided they meet either of these criteria:• Less than 200 total jumps OR• Less than 2 years in the sport as a RookieREGISTRATION (includes event t-shirt): COMING SOON• Pre-Registration (Ends July 31st): $60 • Registration (August 30th): $75• PLUS 5 jumps @ $25 eachDiscounted Gear Rental: $35/jump (Can only use for the 5 comp. jumps)*includes: rig, helmet, jumpsuit and pack jobSCHEDULE:• Friday, August 30th6pm: Deadline for registration9am-6pm: Manifest open to complete registration, pay account, sign waiver• Saturday, August 31st7:00 am: Manifest opens to complete registration, must be completed before briefing (Please try to complete by Friday evening if possible)8:00 am: Meet time for briefing (in auditorium)• Sunday, September 1st8:00 am: Competition ResumesAwards ceremony immediately followingMonday is scheduled as a make-up day in case of weather. Also, there will be load organizers available all day on Monday if you would like to continue formation skydiving after the competition.Register now right here: is important to fill out the the Google Form for this event as well. It will help us determine jumper pairing to ensure the most fair competition. Please fill that out right here:
  20. I am 69 years old and in my 51st year of skydiving. I had two cutaways, one over Pope Valley CA in 1972 using military surplus gear and one over Rantoul Illinois using modern gear in 2005. I see skydiving as a very risky sport and see myself as a lucky cautious participant. Perry Stevens D-51 taught me how to jump in 1968. One bit of advice he gave me was: "when something looks marginal to you, take a pass on it, ALWAYS." Marginal planes, marginal gear, marginal jump plans, marginal weather etc. I've done nearly everything I can to mitigate risk. I jump with an RSL and a Cypres AAD. I don't swoop, wingsuit or BASE jump. I practice emergency procedures. I get gear checks before I board. I was a very early AAD user, buying an SSE Sentinal 2000 as soon as they hit the market. Back then experienced jumpers who wore AADs were ridiculed, but I didn't care. When I could finally afford a square canopy, I bought a conservative one (Triathlon) that would put me at 1.2 to 1 wing loading and never downsized even on subsequent buys. My reserve is almost as big as my main. If steady winds exceed 18 mph I wait for better conditions. I passed on manifesting for Twin Beech jumps on really hot days with loads that clearly exceeded max gross limits. I passed on really green Cessna piston jumpship pilots. I passed on having beer with lunch at a DZ where it was SOP. I could go on but you get the picture. I am not gloating or saying I am better than people who take more risk than I do. My point is that there are many things you can do (or more accurately NOT do) that will substantially reduce risk and still allow you to participate in the best sport on the planet. You won't be sharing granite skimming wingsuit videos with your friends but you can still have a great time.
  21. I'm ALL about it. However, I have the uncanny ability to recognized a knucklehead when I see one.
  22. Save the Dates!As you may have heard, IPC recently ratified new rules for Vertical Sequential World Records. The new rules open up a realm of possibilities for large sequential records. We now have our eyes set on setting a new head-down sequential record in mid-2020. This is the first of several events leading up to the record that will allow us to practice and experiment with large sequential formations. This is not a bigway camp, it is a sequential camp. It is already expected that participants are already experienced and comfortable building 40-ways. The goal is to have successful multi-point skydives that will build a foundation we can apply to larger sequential formations in 2020. Organizers: Matt Fry & Melissa Nelson Lowe Contact: matthew.fry23@gmail.comRegistrations details TBA. Cover photo by Nathan Roth.
  23. SDChicago


    Summerfest 2019 is coming soon!This year will feature some new events, The Film Festival, Full-On Foosball and more! We will have new bands as well as Casey McGrath's Fiddlerock Show 2.0, Rook and Friends DJ'ing and a few other surprises as well. There's even a rumor that we will have another round of custom brewed beer and wine specifically made for Summerfest 2019!Don't forget about the world-class list of organizers that Summerfest has every single year. This year will be no exception. Come on out and jump for fun or really dig in and learn from the best in the business and take advantage of all that these pros have to offer!We are still squaring away the details of this legendary event and we will keep you updated as The Boogie of Boogies gets closer.See you all there sooner than you think!Early Full Boogie Registration:Open January 1, 2019Jun - June 26, 2019 (Includes FREE T-Shirt!) $95.00 USDFull Boogie Registration:June 27, 2019 - Event Dates$99.00 USDDay Passes:Jumper: $50.00 USDNon-Jumper: $40.00 USDChildren (10 and under): $15.00 USDRegister Now Right Here:
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    • FOR SALE
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    Parachute Systems is currently offering an amazing “Jump Ready Skydiving Package” for their line of container, mains, and reserve. If you purchase a brand new custom Vortex Container (Freefly Friendly with RSL and all the nice padding), Main Canopy (Volt, Hurricane, or Ventus), and Decelerator Reserve together as a package, you only pay $4760 USD and that includes shipping. Skyhook option available on the Vortex for an additional cost. Delivered in around 12 weeks. We can help add a new or used AAD to the package and you will be all set with a complete new rig with AAD. US Financing and Military Discounts available. Full details are listed on our website, visit: Dropzone Solutions - Jump Ready Package


    , Tampa

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    This rig is repacked and ready to go. Freefly Friendly and Skyhook Equipped. Aerodyne Icon I5 -Freefly Friendly -Skyhook Equipped -Articulated Hip Rings -Stainless Steel Hardware -BOC with Collapsible PC w/Hackey -Harness Sizing: F-H-H-F -Estimated Fit: 5’11 - 6’3, 190-220 lbs -Serial # I5-12261, DOM: 9/2010 -Fits Canopies: 150-210 -2 small patches on right reserve flap (Cosmetic) Aerodyne Pilot 168 -DOM: 11/10, Serial #12948 -No rips, holes or patches -Original Spectra Lineset -Reline Recommended within next 75-100 jumps Aerodyne Smart 160 -0 Rides, 17 repacks -DOM: 11/10, Serial #12781 -No rips, holes or patches -Repacked/Inspected: 3/10/19 Airtec Cypres2 -DOM: 12/2008, Serial #50336 -EOL: 6/2021 -8 year service complete Estimated Jumps on Complete Rig: 530 Price: $4500 USD Master Rigger inspection report available. Buyer pays shipping and payment handling fees; PayPal, Credit Card, and Bank Transfer/Wire accepted. US financing also available. Will ship International. Prices are FIRM. Please message for more pictures and information. Rig is being sold on consignment for a customer who is downsizing to a new Icon V. Need Gear? Selling Gear? US Financing and Military Discounts available!


    Tampa, FL

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