michalm21 0 #26 June 28, 2011 Quote seems Jeb is having fun, providing data, sharing his love for the Crack.... Jeb loves the crack nice one jeb! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #27 June 28, 2011 Like Jeb says, it is one thing to post on the forum, another to meet face to face and share a flight together. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4107904#4107904 Shame you went home today Luke, Jeb arrives tomorrow. You're much nicer in person BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #28 June 28, 2011 Unless you dislike his truth oriented comments, he actually seems like a nice person online as well JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #29 June 28, 2011 Im also not out to get anyone. But if s you post data with certain (incorrect)observations and comments, dont bash people that take that kind of data more serious in terms of analysis. This dicipline is full of records, amazing performance claims and more. Its refreshing and aplaudable that Jeb also provides the data to back it up. Be it needing a bit of work to correctly interpret that same data. But dont bash people that dont agree with every company/self promotional post made if the data shows something else...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #30 June 28, 2011 I'm not having a pop at Jeb. I'm having a pop about misleading performance posts. I have nothing against him or any of the stuff he has done. More luck to him. Yes I referred to various different sources as there have been a few recently all on the same theme. He has the right tools. Is it unreasonable to expect from someone planning a mutli-million dollar project to land a wing-suit to be able to accurately read such data. James, thanks for the kind words. It's ironic that not so long ago it was you that used to call out the outrageous performance claims and call for GPS data to support it and are now on the other side of the fence. There is a difference, I'm not on the payroll, I'm not sponsored, I pay for my own suits. While I am an agent for the burgeoning population of jumpers here, there is little or no financial gain for me to be had in this. I jump for myself and post few videos or claims. QuoteBut if I see you in person feel free to come up to me and lets do a jump together :) Thanks Jeb, likewise. Enjoy your jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommyh 0 #31 June 28, 2011 Hey Jeb, could you enlighten us as to what is different between the apache and the apache x? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rigless 0 #32 June 29, 2011 Quote Hey Jeb, could you enlighten us as to what is different between the apache and the apache x? It's bigger? "All limits are self imposed." Icarus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 136 #33 June 29, 2011 Quote Quote Hey Jeb, could you enlighten us as to what is different between the apache and the apache x? It's bigger? built-in Go-Pro fixations scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeb 0 #34 June 29, 2011 There is no different, two names for the same suit... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #36 June 29, 2011 Congrats on being first to fly through a waterfall btwTake it as a joke, but these journalist seem to be using the same interpetation methods for your stories, as you seem to use for GPS data JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #37 June 29, 2011 Actually, that's not right. "Apache" was the name of a mid sized suit that Tony sold in 2006. It pre-dated the Mach (if my memory serves) was pretty much replaced by the Raptor. "Apache X" is the new suit, but since most people never saw or heard of the original Apache, people use the name interchangeably. I don't think there were many made. One of the packers at my home DZ has an Apache (the original one). I'll see if I can get a picture of it at some point.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #38 June 29, 2011 QuoteActually, that's not right. "Apache" was the name of a mid sized suit that Tony sold in 2006. It pre-dated the Mach (if my memory serves) was pretty much replaced by the Raptor. "Apache X" is the new suit, but since most people never saw or heard of the original Apache, people use the name interchangeably. One of the packers at my home DZ has an Apache (the original one). I'll see if I can get a picture of it at some point. If memory serves correctly, I believe Jeff called this suit an Apache. http://www.matthoover.com/gallery/skydiving-photos/2007-03/2007-03_p89.html#navbarwww.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #39 June 29, 2011 That's the one, Matt. Probably confusing to some to have two suits named similarly, but I guess he liked the name. But given the attention span of skydivers is slightly less than that of the common goldfish, I could see why it wouldn't... Ooooh! Something shiny!Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roostnureye 2 #40 June 29, 2011 i thought the apache x was the fusion? but for skydiving, no built in rigFlock University FWC / ZFlock B.A.S.E. 1580 Aussie BASE 121 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixRising 0 #41 June 29, 2011 That is a raptor. The Apache had a longer gripper and straighter trailing edge.Wingsuit organizing, first flight courses and coaching Flock University Tonysuits Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #42 June 29, 2011 QuoteThat is a raptor. The Apache had a longer gripper and straighter trailing edge. Whatever he called it at the time, I am positive it was not one of the "standard" suit names. He specifically told me it was a prototype made per request of a BASE jumper, and he was either thinking of calling or it had called it something (which I think was Apache, but am not sure). I agree it does look an awful lot like a Raptor though.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #43 June 30, 2011 Man this is just a shit all over jeb thread. I thought that was some nice flying. Not a rip at all, an honest question. Jarmo do you base jump? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #44 June 30, 2011 does one need to be a BASEjumper to be considered "cool"? or does one only need all-black gear - to be cool!?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #45 June 30, 2011 Why? Does basejumping interfere with the ability to correctly interpret graphs?JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #46 June 30, 2011 Really? How so? I was perhaps the bluntest in calling out the mis-leading performance claims, but didn't rag on Jeb personally. In fact I specifically said so and wished him well a couple of times. I'm sure he has thick enough skin to cop the flak for the misleading claims without taking it personally. As for anyone being a Base jumper, what does that have to do with anything? Even though the suit is supposed to be for "experienced base jumpers only" the post was made here on DZ.com. What's your point? I take it you did notice that the newspaper article says speed of 85MPH and quotes Jeb as saying "almost 90MPH", quite a difference to what he was suggesting here. There is no excuse for the multiple misleading statements on performance from anyone, let alone someone of Jeb's experience, skill, knowledge and super-star status in the community. Your own video shows speeds of 75mph - 80mph, do you really think Jeb is 50% faster than you? Your glide ratio is somewhere in the 2.5:1 - 2.7:1 when not getting lift from the wall, do you think 3.5 is sustainable without thermals? That is all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #47 June 30, 2011 Fair enough, I'm always just bummed when I see good flying and people get too caught up in the numbers, but I suppose that is the point when people also post the numbers. The base jumping question was just that, a question, nothing to do with coolness, ability, or anything like that, i was just wondering where Jarnos frame of reference was from. I love you all. Perhaps jeb can get way more speed and glide out of that suit as mine is a demo, and I am at best a margilnal wing suit pilot. I love you all regardless of the number of parachutes on your back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmut 0 #48 July 6, 2011 I think I might have to send my wingsuit back to Robi clearly I am not smart enough to hang with you propeller heads especially you wood clog wearing ones!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #49 July 15, 2011 Source: http://uragallo.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/worlds-fastest-base-race-time-set-today/ Fact 1: Tony's blog wrote on 14.07.2011, Tony is the fastest in his Apache with 18,37 seconds. Fact 2: Frode is official winner of base race 2011 with 29,37 seconds. My question is: could anybody please explain me the difference of 29,37 - 18,37 = 11 seconds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 136 #50 July 15, 2011 Quote Source: http://uragallo.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/worlds-fastest-base-race-time-set-today/ Fact 1: Tony's blog wrote on 14.07.2011, Tony is the fastest in his Apache with 18,37 seconds. Fact 2: Frode is official winner of base race 2011 with 29,37 seconds. My question is: could anybody please explain me the difference of 29,37 - 18,37 = 11 seconds? first congrats to Tony for the time. His Apache is apparently very fast difference between Tony's time and Frode's time... Different events in different places.. Different distances to fly = very different times scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
