outrager 6 #51 July 15, 2011 QuoteFact 1: Tony's blog wrote on 14.07.2011, Tony is the fastest in his Apache with 18,37 seconds. Fact 2: Frode is official winner of base race 2011 with 29,37 seconds. My question is: could anybody please explain me the difference of 29,37 - 18,37 = 11 seconds? Different cliffs ;-) As far as i can see, the fastest time in official competition yesterday was Frode's 18.53 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150235424685868&set=pu.43724640867&type=1&theater&pid=7690009&id=43724640867 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #52 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteFact 1: Tony's blog wrote on 14.07.2011, Tony is the fastest in his Apache with 18,37 seconds. Fact 2: Frode is official winner of base race 2011 with 29,37 seconds. My question is: could anybody please explain me the difference of 29,37 - 18,37 = 11 seconds? Different cliffs ;-) As far as i can see, the fastest time in official competition yesterday was Frode's 18.53 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150235424685868&set=pu.43724640867&type=1&theater&pid=7690009&id=43724640867 Thank you, outrager, for this link! My conclusion is: Apache is faster at short distances (short flight time). For longer distances (long flight time) is the result for Apache worse. Short start of Apache is maybe the main reason for this matter. But the steady-state forward speed after acceleration is low because of high drag. I would like to see results for Apache from Hungarian Competition and Gransee this year - results just for flight, without influence of start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #53 July 15, 2011 Pure speed races are a better measure of the performance of the pilot than the suit. Just look at the PPC results under the speed category. They are impressive speeds but GR suffers greatly to achieve them. The skill is in trading one off to gain the other. Other factors such as weight will reduce the time without affecting the GR, again not strictly suit related. The base races have a requirement for a minimum time under canopy so there is an minimum GR that must be met (anyone know what it is?) but they are still a showcase of the jumpers ability to work to the rules rather than the suits' best performance. If there is a conclusion to be drawn from a single jump it's that Tony did very well for a relatively new BASE jumper. Well done Tony! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #54 July 15, 2011 QuotePure speed races are a better measure of the performance of the pilot than the suit. Just look at the PPC results under the speed category. They are impressive speeds but GR suffers greatly to achieve them. The skill is in trading one off to gain the other. Other factors such as weight will reduce the time without affecting the GR, again not strictly suit related. My rules for good results in "Speed" at PPC: 1) strong altitude wind in flight direction 2) GR ~ 1,0 3) wingsuit with low drag 4) weight is not important High drag for X-Bird is a reason, why Tony is on place 6 in this competition, after Phantom, Blade and V3s. Apache with his surface must have more drag then X-Bird... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflysoul 0 #55 July 15, 2011 I'd consider also the pilot experience in BASE... Tony is a great skydiver, but I think he has a short BASE career... So I'd say Tony's performance is really impressive while compared with Frode's BASE skills... Just my 2 cents, anyway... 3,2,1,C-YA!!! V. BASE #1075 / BMI #I-002 / PFI #042 / EGI #104 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #56 July 15, 2011 Let's not get too carried away based on one jump. The other 'intermediate' guy racing Tony also beat Frode's time, coincidence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #57 July 19, 2011 Higher flight and straight line = shorter distance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #58 July 20, 2011 Hey I found something without numbers we can ALL agree as cool. Jeb did the balloon jump again and this time cut the string : (check his FB page) Nice flying Tony btw. Not bad for a senior!! BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #59 July 20, 2011 Quote Higher flight and straight line = shorter distance. isn't finding the best trajectory part of a race, wich makes your suit look fast ? scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #60 July 20, 2011 Quote Hey I found something without numbers we can ALL agree as cool. Jeb did the balloon jump again and this time cut the string : http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270278_10150377449268275_629778274_10417975_504767_s.jpg Nice flying Tony btw. Not bad for a senior!! do you have a larger version of the pic anywhere ? (on my work computer it gives me a thumbnail...)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johenrik 0 #61 July 20, 2011 isn't finding the best trajectory part of a race, wich makes your suit look fast ? Tony was flying outside of his lane giving him a shorter distance to fly than the other flyers. Tony (and some others) were clearly told that if they did this again they would be disqualified, but as it was more of a warm-up round measures wouldn't be taken. Regardless of him flying a shorter distance than the others he still showed himself as a fast flyer and the Apache X looks like an interesting suit. Marketing himself as the fastest in the race though is not fair. -Jo Henrik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #62 July 21, 2011 Jeb posted the video, short but sweet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI_tn5Qigg0BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #63 July 21, 2011 QuoteJeb posted the video, short but sweet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI_tn5Qigg0 Just a step closer to heaven. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #64 July 21, 2011 If that guy had not gotten down, heaven for sure... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #65 July 22, 2011 an understatement Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
k2xblade 0 #66 July 22, 2011 awesome stuff jeb, pay no mind to the haters....its their job... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #67 July 23, 2011 Haters? Simply stating Jeb would have given him a close shave, had he not ducked down, has little to do with that.. JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #68 July 23, 2011 Dead Man Walking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #69 July 23, 2011 Jackie Moon holds the key for future harmony in the WS forum: E.L.E. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nXJe9i70DEBASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #70 July 23, 2011 Didnt know spindoctors had made their way into wingsuit marketing yetI was simply commenting on the fact that Jeb must have had 100% faith in that guy diving for the dirt...brass balls... No hating, no negative stuff about brands...though for sure playing underdog is a proven method to gain sympathyJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #71 July 23, 2011 All the back/forth about the guy diving in the dirt, Jeb coming closer/farther/left/right/whatever....that's all well and good. It's a cool shot, cool angle, no one died. That might be attributable to luck, to skill, or to the FSM looking out for everyone, particularly the balloons. What I'd like to know about is the disparity between Tony's blog, FB, what people who were there are saying, and what is the truth regarding Tony's runs in the Apache vs every one else runs in whatever suit they might be wearing. Lotsa hyperbole and marketing speak; can anyone who was there provide more detail (such as Henrik alluded to)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #72 July 24, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZIySnKYp04&feature=share ABC segment about Jeb, the balloon flight and his upcoming project in China. ELE.BASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #73 July 24, 2011 [inline LaLaLaLa.jpg] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #74 July 24, 2011 Sweet, you have one of our old team suits Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #75 July 24, 2011 This one is wild too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
