Deniq 0 #1 May 11, 2011 Hungarian company Intrudair start into new season 2011 with three wingsuits (Piranha, Shark and Manta) in new design. For more information please see here: http://www.intrudair.com/En/En.html Base jump in Manta-wingsuit in Brento: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IU_ZmciM4k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #2 May 11, 2011 Website is not very easy to navigate, are there prices somewhere? I hope they are cheap because it looks like they saved a lot on R&D by cross breading existing suits. Piranna, looks like a cross between a Phantom & Ghost. Manta, looks like a 2009-2010 TWS. Shark, looks like something BM might have come up with in recent years - form over function. Is there an aerodynamic or ergonomic theory behind the curved gripper? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #3 May 11, 2011 Quote Website is not very easy to navigate, are there prices somewhere? According to Intrudair-homepage, base prices are (state 11.05.2011): Manta - 790 EUR Shark - 790 EUR Piranha - 620 EUR. Quote Piranna, looks like a cross between a Phantom & Ghost. Manta, looks like a 2009-2010 TWS. Shark, looks like something BM Venom looks like X-Bird. But, both wingsuits have different style of flight. And every bike have two wheels Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #4 May 11, 2011 Quote Piranna, looks like a cross between a Phantom & Ghost. Manta, looks like a 2009-2010 TWS. Shark, looks like something BM Venom looks like X-Bird. But, both wingsuits have different style of flight. And every bike have two wheels You're right, like your style It's a commercial world, and as much as I hate that there is little escape. Kids have to be feed and money talks. As I become more aware of the snowballing commercialisation of Skydiving and BASE the more disdain I have for the blatant lying, money making in the name of charity and at the cost of safety. I suppose in the scheme of it these guys aren't so bad! It's nicer to see developments like the TwentyG suit or FYB suits that are exploring something different (and don't feel the need to make outrageous claims about their performance to increase sales). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #5 May 11, 2011 What scares me is that there only seems to be larger and larger suits promoted. Last weekend a basejumper just made it 'back' to the DZ for some 'practice' after a year or more of not skydiving. He did a few un-intentional loops and flips onto his back flying a huge model wingsuit, promoted as 'ideal for base' shortly after exit, when going into full flight. And he had several stories of people doing unintentional dives, turns and worse in base with similar 'large surface' model wingsuits, some people only seem to promote as 'the ultimate choice for base'. Hearing the story of a well trained French basejumper pulling on his back on a basejump with another 'new innovation' in large wingsuit design...I truly hope more people learn to fly their smaller suits to the max, instead of reaching for ever increasing surface area to compensate for lack of experience/skill. These big suits are a specialty choice for a few, very experienced jumpers. Yet marketing from sales/rental services makes it look like it 'the only way forward' and a direction everyone needs to go to 'progress' in terms of flying a ws....JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #6 May 11, 2011 you say that because you jump one of the small suits Jealous guy that you are.... what would you think about background checks for WS sales (as it used to be done with HP canopies) ? what would you think about mandatory coaching for bigger/huge/uneasy suits ? I put 40 seconds to someone flying one of the recent "supersuits" with my Ghost 2 1/2, after checking his right and left sides and after he went into terrible oscillation and acceleration... (IMO he was flying too tense) scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #7 May 11, 2011 Quoteyou say that because you jump one of the small suits Jealous guy that you are.... I do jump big suits as well. Though not often. I use the suit I need for the jump Im doing, and the suit that helps me work on my aerobatic/formation flying skills most. For long solo's and other stuff, I do use the big suits sometimes. Quotewhat would you think about background checks for WS sales (as it used to be done with HP canopies) ? Its a nice idea, but in practice, people will order through others, or just pick up the same suit on the 2nd hand market half a year or a year later. As some people seem to go through ever increasing suit sizes like a box of cookies to 'increase their performance'. QuoteI put 40 seconds to someone flying one of the recent "supersuits" with my Ghost 2 1/2, You have a normal Ghost3, just no embroidery saying Ghost3. The logo wasnt the first priority when the design was made. Similar to a lot of early Shadows having 'Phantom2 on the armwing. That aside...Costyn also easily kept up with some flyers in 'supersuits' last weekend, while he was in a Ghost3. Showing skill and experience still beats surface area/suit size...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #8 May 11, 2011 most of the times it is better to have the good arrow for the indian... Not every indian can handle the big arrows unfortunately too many people want the shiny new huge suit to be better as the other... better by the arrow i/o better by the indian.... ego ego ego.... scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #9 May 11, 2011 Quote too many people want the shiny new huge suit to be better as the other And not everyone realizes that 'massive suit size' doesn't always equate to 'better' depending on what they actually want to do with the suit...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #10 May 11, 2011 Quote what would you think about mandatory coaching for bigger/huge/uneasy suits ? Coaching for bigguer/huge/uneasy suits SHOULD be mandatory. It's called "Experience/air-time. But... just as goat-fuck stupid people keep downsizing way too early and getting hurt... folks will continue upsize their wingsuits without requisite experience. Quote Last weekend a BASEjumper just made it 'back' to the DZ for some 'practice' after a year or more of not skydiving. He did a few un-intentional loops and flips onto his back flying a huge model wingsuit, promoted as 'ideal for base' shortly after exit, when going into full flight. There was one here recently that spent the entire jump in a series of spins in an X2. No big suit experience, just P2's. Not current, not many P2 jumps either. Deployment at 6K was the solution to their spin. "Hey Spot, can you tell me what the zippers in my arms are for? Should they be zipped or unzipped?"Have had two people show up for FFC's with their own S-Birds in tow because they didn't know any better and believed the bullshit they were fed. I'd sure like to fly one of the Intrudair suits. Yeah, they do look a LOT like their competitors. Who knows...Maybe they fly as well or better. For all the bitching people do about the very minor things this suit copied that suit....these suits don't seem shy about copying everything from everyone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #11 May 11, 2011 Quote Quote too many people want the shiny new huge suit to be better as the other And not everyone realizes that 'massive suit size' doesn't always equate to 'better' depending on what they actually want to do with the suit... exactly, I was lucky enough to get quickly better, and having lots of fun on my Ghost. But also lots of fun in "smaller" suits. I would say for the kind of flocking I do, the Ghost gives me "comfortable" performance, and a Phantom gives me a "I am getting better/I need to get better" performance. Either way, people need to work and love and relax and fly their suits scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #12 May 11, 2011 Dear gentlemen, this topic is about new products by Intrudair. You can jump Manta for long solo flights or Piranha for formations or aerobatics. Every size for every requirement! Nothing individually, but you can create new topic "size" and debate about wingsuit size or biggest modern Casanova, girls and ego's in this separate topic I am not the Intrudair dealer, I am just normal weekend-skydiver and made this topic just to inform dz-community about new products on the market. My previos wingsuit was by PF, my current is by Intrudair, my next is by ??? Best quality/price/performance interaction is the drive for the enhancements on the market! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #13 May 11, 2011 QuoteDear gentlemen, this topic is about new products by Intrudair. Check any other thread on products from PF, S-Fly, TS etc etc and similar discussion on the practical size and comparison to other products/suits/models is also the biggest interest. QuoteI am not the Intrudair dealer, I am just normal weekend-skydiver and made this topic just to inform dz-community about new products on the market. And we are discussing those same suits, and practical application/suit size...Seems very relevant to meJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #14 May 11, 2011 QuoteMy previos wingsuit was by PF, my current is by Intrudair, my next is by ??? Best quality/price/performance interaction is the drive for the enhancements on the market! So for sake of clarity; are you sponsored or benefit in any way from your posts or advocacy of Intrudair? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deniq 0 #15 May 11, 2011 Quote So for sake of clarity; are you sponsored or benefit in any way from your posts or advocacy of Intrudair? I got from Intrudair one Bugatti Veyron for this topic DSE - no sponsoring, no benefit. I bought my current Intrudair-wingsuit on conventional way. Fair price and short delivery time were decisive for the outcome of the war Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #16 May 11, 2011 Quote I got from Intrudair one Bugatti Veyron Id say a good replica, costing less than the orginalJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #17 May 11, 2011 the suits look nice, but the website is difficult to followscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #18 May 11, 2011 This site seems to do a better job at listing suits/details/prices than the intrudair website itself. http://wscity.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=7&Itemid=74JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michalm21 0 #19 May 11, 2011 cool! I'd love to try the piranha... I cannot justify buying 3rd suit though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Titanium_Gecko 0 #20 May 11, 2011 Congratulations to Intrudair! I look forward to seeing and reading about the suits throughout the rest of the year. Wonder when the first one will arrive in the UK to scrounge a flight..... Geckowww.gathhelmets.co.uk www.flyyourbody.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsane 0 #21 May 11, 2011 Speaking of coaching ... I've seen a huge uptick in people wanting to be wingsuit coached. I don't think that's a bad thing BUT ... I don't think that coaching is a replacement for experience. Do your FFC, then make 20 or 50 wingsuit flights. Come back for a few coach dives, then make 20 or 50 more. Your most important skill will be to be comfortable in the air and in your suit. And speaking of suits ... stop going big early ... it will do you more harm than good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #22 May 11, 2011 The coaching need also sometimes leads to coaches teaching only 5 jumps of coaching material spread over 25 jumps, to make sure they make a buck... There is only so much coaching can do, experience is the key...alwaysJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #23 May 12, 2011 QuoteDear gentlemen, this topic is about new products by Intrudair. I love it. Just pure WS product and no glory whore chief instructors. I love this company already. So refreshing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #24 May 12, 2011 Quote Quote Dear gentlemen, this topic is about new products by Intrudair. I love it. Just pure WS product and no glory whore chief instructors. I love this company already. So refreshing. They are a new company. Give them a chance to start training coaches. If they are going to copy, might as copy everything.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites