piisfish 135 #51 May 17, 2011 Quote Quote I know that a larger suit weighs more than a smaller suit And he wears lead with it to fly it in a flock... I thought I would need that with the Ghost with my flocking group... I learnt how to "erase" my wings a bit more scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #52 May 17, 2011 QuoteYou don't even know the size of my suit. He doesn't need to know the size, you told him it was "large" implying you have a smaller one. You've also said: 1) If you use your large suit to flock, then you add more mass (in the very situation Butters originally commented on). 2) If more mass, then more wake. --------------------------------------- Therefore: If you use your large suit to flock, then there is more wake (the conclusion that follows your own premises).www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #53 May 17, 2011 Quote Quote How heavy are you? exit weight 86kg, without lead but I might be taller too.... There you go - more turbulence than I produce. You should stay on the ground or Jarno and Butters will have a conniption.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #54 May 17, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou don't even know the size of my suit. He doesn't need to know the size, you told him it was "large" implying you have a smaller one. . Ass-uming things can make you look like an ass.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #55 May 17, 2011 Quote Quote Quote I know that a larger suit weighs more than a smaller suit And he wears lead with it to fly it in a flock... I thought I would need that with the Ghost with my flocking group... I learnt how to "erase" my wings a bit more A thorough course in Newtonian physics would do you (and Jarno and Butters) a world of good.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #56 May 17, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou don't even know the size of my suit. He doesn't need to know the size, you told him it was "large" implying you have a smaller one. . Ass-uming things can make you look like an ass. I haven't assumed anything, I've mentioned one possible implication of your statement. It's irrelevant to the primary discussion anyway how many suits you have, or how many details Butters or I know about any of them. You've clearly stated you add weight to flock with your large suit, which IS relevant, and you have seemingly abandoned that line of discussion by cutting it out of my post when you quoted it (or a tiny chunk of it). I am still interested in your comments on this logical deduction. 1) If you use your large suit to flock, then you add more mass. 2) If more mass, then more wake. --------------------------------------- Therefore: If you use your large suit to flock, then there is more wake. The premises were both stated by you. The conclusion was rejected by you. What are we all missing?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #57 May 18, 2011 Quote A thorough course in Newtonian physics would do you (and Jarno and Butters) a world of good. Similar to you flying more and getting close enough to other people to actually discover practical gaps in your theory...I told you no good would come of this 'fly 10 ft apart' grid spacing thingJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #58 May 18, 2011 Quote A thorough course in Newtonian physics would do you (and Jarno and Butters) a world of good. is this the 5 minutes argument or the full half hour ? I am not the one complaining about my burbles, just everyone behind P.S. don't forget, in your physics thing, you don't need a weight belt as everyone has the same fallratescissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #59 May 18, 2011 Be it deflection of air via larger surfaces, aimed sideways or whatever principle is behind it...this whole discussion mostly reads as a professors inability to find the correct scientific reasoning behind a real world phenomenom/effect that those who fly a lot already know about... Just science lagging behind on the practical world... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnskydiver688 0 #60 May 18, 2011 The same tug and pull that physicists and engineers go through. Theory vs. Application. And I don't mean that kind of tug and pull Jarno.... Sky Canyon Wingsuiters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #61 May 18, 2011 QuoteP.S. don't forget, in your physics thing, you don't need a weight belt as everyone has the same fallrate That's not a physics thing, that's an ignorance of physics thing.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #62 May 18, 2011 agreed....the physics we're talking about relate to the earth...not the moon... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #63 May 18, 2011 Quote A thorough course in Newtonian physics would do you (and Jarno and Butters) a world of good. I may not know Newtonian physics but I know I was right and you were wrong ... I also know that you won't (or can't) admit it."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperGirl 0 #64 May 18, 2011 as always, I suggest we settle this dispute with a pillow fight and a cock measuring contest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yeyo 1 #65 May 19, 2011 I love lamp.HISPA #93 DS #419.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #66 May 22, 2011 Quote Quote A thorough course in Newtonian physics would do you (and Jarno and Butters) a world of good. I may not know Newtonian physics but I know I was right and you were wrong ... I also know that you won't (or can't) admit it. The laws of physics care little for your opinion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #67 May 22, 2011 Quote Be it deflection of air via larger surfaces, aimed sideways or whatever principle is behind it...this whole discussion mostly reads as a professors inability to find the correct scientific reasoning behind a real world phenomenom/effect that those who fly a lot already know about... Just science lagging behind on the practical world... Why don't you enlighten us all with a "practical world" situation that violates conservation of momentum. I guess it's funny how all those "practical" people who design airplanes, spacecraft, trains, cars, engines, bridges, etc. make use of science. Maybe we could improve WS glide ratios if WS designers used a bit more physics.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #68 May 22, 2011 Quote The laws of physics care little for your opinion. Still talking shit about people not understanding physics, and still refusing to respond to my very simple logical deduction from your own posts. Is deductive reasoning taught at your university, or only physics? www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #69 May 22, 2011 Quote Maybe we could improve WS glide ratios if WS designers used a bit more physics. I'm guessing youve neve met Robi Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #70 May 23, 2011 Quote Quote Quote A thorough course in Newtonian physics would do you (and Jarno and Butters) a world of good. I may not know Newtonian physics but I know I was right and you were wrong ... I also know that you won't (or can't) admit it. The laws of physics care little for your opinion. Opinion? I was right, fact. You won't (or can't) admit it, fact. Care to stop attacking the poster(s) and attack the argument? Edit: You may want to read the book Mistakes Were Made (But Not By Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, And Hurtful Acts."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #71 May 23, 2011 Quote The laws of physics care little for your opinion. And neither do they care about your lack of applying the proper ones to the situation we are discussing...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #72 May 24, 2011 Quote Quote The laws of physics care little for your opinion. And neither do they care about your lack of applying the proper ones to the situation we are discussing... Conservation of momentum IS the correct law. The momentum you transfer to the atmosphere each second depends on weight and fall rate but NOT on area.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #73 May 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote The laws of physics care little for your opinion. And neither do they care about your lack of applying the proper ones to the situation we are discussing... Conservation of momentum IS the correct law. The momentum you transfer to the atmosphere each second depends on weight and fall rate but NOT on area. So someone would transfer more momentum to the atmosphere if they added weight?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #74 May 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote The laws of physics care little for your opinion. And neither do they care about your lack of applying the proper ones to the situation we are discussing... Conservation of momentum IS the correct law. The momentum you transfer to the atmosphere each second depends on weight and fall rate but NOT on area. So someone would transfer more momentum to the atmosphere if they added weight? And less if the base slowed down, which WAS my original point.A 80mph fall rate is unnecessary in a wingsuit formation. If you want less turbulence, don't fall at RW speeds.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #75 May 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The laws of physics care little for your opinion. And neither do they care about your lack of applying the proper ones to the situation we are discussing... Conservation of momentum IS the correct law. The momentum you transfer to the atmosphere each second depends on weight and fall rate but NOT on area. So someone would transfer more momentum to the atmosphere if they added weight? And less if the base slowed down, which WAS my original point. But you would transfer even less momentum if you didn't add weight and they slowed down ... correct? Edit: Why were you even wearing a wingsuit at those speeds? After all, you've mentioned in other threads that you can track at those speeds ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
