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QuoteThere is, however, a problem defining what is a wingsuit flight...If I put a couple of flaps on everyones RW suit and do a big way with a bit of a track, is that a wingsuit formation?
Maybe this could be solved by the period in which points can be flown. In RW and freefly there is a time limit. If we set an altitude limit instead there will be messy flying formations in the beginning but on the long run I would expect that people will push their working time together with their progression.
So in the long run people will try to progress in a way that they become able to fly a lot of points with as few altitude loss as possible to have more altitude to fly more points. Sure, in the beginning we will see straight dropping formations but these will disappear as soon as someone flies the same amount of points with less altitude loss and beat the dropping bricks in competitions.
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QuoteOne last thought...I think it would be really cool to put grippers on bottom of wingsuits and let a freeflyer hang on for the ride...drag a person behind you? cool!
No need for grippers. I have had several girls dismount from a rodeo by sliding down my legs and holding onto my ankles. After this pitches me head high, I have been able to turn 360 degrees while in this position. It's another fun thing to do with a girl riding me
Purple Mike
lurch 0
Mike, how did I know you were going to pop in with something like that?
You know, A friend reminded me Soby once successfully docked on my ankle while both of us were close to maxed out. Soon as I remembered it I was thinking "Duh, I'm a dumbass, we HAVE already done this successfully"... I just kept flying along completely undisturbed... I thought about it for a bit, compared it to the stuff I posted earlier about trying to execute docked legwork in flocking conditions and figured thats probably the way to do it. Gonna try it when the season opens up... scrounge up 2 or 3 more guys, get em all maxed out and see if it works any better than the bumpy ride I got trying to dock on Rick when his tail was less than flat. So long as all 4 have similar ranges it ought to work. If we can do 4, we can do more. We gotta get Dave Godin for this... he's GOOD... earlier last season we were pursuing Rick and managed a coordinated zero-tension dock the whole time. He reads the next necessary move so well that when turns or adjustments were necessary I didn't have to do a damn thing, just wait a split second and he'd know when to pull ahead or fall back to keep us on heading and on a good approach. Get enough like him and I bet a 10-way dock is doable.
Anybody wanna do a 6-way docked diamond wedge this spring?
(and no, Mike, I don't wanna try it with you flying point with a girl on your back... as much as I enjoy the show, the fallrate'd be even harder to deal with than trying to grapple Rick's knee. I'm a floaty enough bastard as it is.)
-B
You know, A friend reminded me Soby once successfully docked on my ankle while both of us were close to maxed out. Soon as I remembered it I was thinking "Duh, I'm a dumbass, we HAVE already done this successfully"... I just kept flying along completely undisturbed... I thought about it for a bit, compared it to the stuff I posted earlier about trying to execute docked legwork in flocking conditions and figured thats probably the way to do it. Gonna try it when the season opens up... scrounge up 2 or 3 more guys, get em all maxed out and see if it works any better than the bumpy ride I got trying to dock on Rick when his tail was less than flat. So long as all 4 have similar ranges it ought to work. If we can do 4, we can do more. We gotta get Dave Godin for this... he's GOOD... earlier last season we were pursuing Rick and managed a coordinated zero-tension dock the whole time. He reads the next necessary move so well that when turns or adjustments were necessary I didn't have to do a damn thing, just wait a split second and he'd know when to pull ahead or fall back to keep us on heading and on a good approach. Get enough like him and I bet a 10-way dock is doable.
Anybody wanna do a 6-way docked diamond wedge this spring?
(and no, Mike, I don't wanna try it with you flying point with a girl on your back... as much as I enjoy the show, the fallrate'd be even harder to deal with than trying to grapple Rick's knee. I'm a floaty enough bastard as it is.)
-B
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Buried 0
nice post decompresion.
QuoteAnybody wanna do a 6-way docked diamond wedge this spring?
Docked lines and other docked dives are already beeing planned at Fnd. Be there
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strop45 0
How about a different type of dock, e.g. trail a short piece of rope from each leg. This would give somewhere to dock on where you could make small adjustments/movements without disturbing the formation?
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein
lurch 0
Post decompression.. whats that?
Shit, if I get what you mean right, I could do it it one sentence:
I think a docked diamond can be done, but last time we tried it it was complicated and bumpy as hell at high fallrate although it sorta worked accidentally when done maxed out so maybe we ought to try it that way.
I could cut that down further but the compression loss artifacts would remove so much detail the statement would make no fucking sense at ALL.
Could play Mad Libs with it though. Or make another Time Cube website if you accumulated enough of it.
Its kind of like trying to read depressing Russian literature, or compressing your DVD of Lord Of The Rings down onto a 1.44 floppy and then writing the result back onto a DVD. Something is lost in the translation. You don't really get to appreciate it quite the same. Its an art form thing. Or maybe its just me.
-B
Gonna miss Fnd this year man.
Shit, if I get what you mean right, I could do it it one sentence:
I think a docked diamond can be done, but last time we tried it it was complicated and bumpy as hell at high fallrate although it sorta worked accidentally when done maxed out so maybe we ought to try it that way.
I could cut that down further but the compression loss artifacts would remove so much detail the statement would make no fucking sense at ALL.
Could play Mad Libs with it though. Or make another Time Cube website if you accumulated enough of it.
Its kind of like trying to read depressing Russian literature, or compressing your DVD of Lord Of The Rings down onto a 1.44 floppy and then writing the result back onto a DVD. Something is lost in the translation. You don't really get to appreciate it quite the same. Its an art form thing. Or maybe its just me.
-B
Gonna miss Fnd this year man.
Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.
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QuoteHow about a different type of dock, e.g. trail a short piece of rope from each leg. This would give somewhere to dock on where you could make small adjustments/movements without disturbing the formation?
Speaking only for myself, the fewer pieces of extraneous stuff I have to trail around on a skydive, the less chance there is of an entanglement and the safer I think it is. I do not find the prospect of tying ropes to my feet to be very appealing.
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strop45 0
Agreed, I wasn't really thinking of a long rope, but rather a flexible gripper maybe 20cm long with only one end attached.
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein
The111 0
Disregarding snag concerns, the further you are away from someone when you dock on them (or an extension of them), the more you will disturb them. It's simple leverage. If you can't dock on somebody's ankle without messing up their control, it will be even worse when you dock on a several inch long extender coming off their ankle.
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Or attach a pony to your feet. Those have survived freefall before. 
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QuoteDisregarding snag concerns, the further you are away from someone when you dock on them (or an extension of them), the more you will disturb them. It's simple leverage. If you can't dock on somebody's ankle without messing up their control, it will be even worse when you dock on a several inch long extender coming off their ankle.
Think of it this way. It's the same as a surf board leash with a velcro ankle collar followed by a short piece of cord(2-4") that is attached to what a RW gripper looks like albeit shorter.
It would show an actual grip had been taken between jumpers and there would be enough play in it that you wouldn't leverage people around the sky as you describe. It will have the same issues that RWers have in that there can be tension on the grips or within the formation. Likewise, someone not letting go of a grip when they should could pull others or the formation low.
For the hands, there used to be this event we did years back, some of you may remember it, it was called a baton pass. Using the same concept I described above with the leash gripper, one could be carried on the left hand of people in the formation to establish hand grips.
Of course the velcro wouldn't be as strong as what is found on a surfboard leash and the device would be capable of breaking away from the jumper if too much force was applied to it.
More food for regurgitation.
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There is, however, a problem defining what is a wingsuit flight...If I put a couple of flaps on everyones RW suit and do a big way with a bit of a track, is that a wingsuit formation? I think not.
I personally have a feeling that right now it is more "We know it when we see it" rather than measurable metrics. And I don't like that kind of thinking. It breeds sects and lack of unity.
Maybe we should look at these problems from an angle of intent. Number one: You need to plan a skydive and execute it, safely.
Number two: There are three types of flights 1)Wingsuit 2)Tracking 3)Hybrid...Just like RW and freefly
Number Three: "Records are, by definition, feats that are breakable, measurable and comparable." (Source:www.guinnessworldrecords.com)
So we can set glide paths as a measure of tracking/WS/hybrids. People can gripe about what the numbers should be....blah blah blah... and at the end we will have numbers and people will start to break records with these numbers. Intent is the main thread in this thought...you set out to do something and achieve it and later people can argue about it being a record or not.
Another thing we need to consider is the freefall time records for docked formations. Wingsuit flyers can start setting records for "Longest time in docked formation" and keep them. If you can do an 8-way docked formation and keep it for a wingsuit jump, you can keep that record for a long long time.
One last thought...I think it would be really cool to put grippers on bottom of wingsuits and let a freeflyer hang on for the ride...drag a person behind you? cool!
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