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QuoteDoes any other system under consideration use absolute length measurements? The one you enthused about at Elsinore didn't.
and that's a very good point. maybe we want to include something like that in whatever future methods we design. you can easily compute the scale based on the size of someone's rig or something.
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What does the number of jumps have to do with the quality of a skydive? Can you look at the Illinois formation and identify the low number participant?
it has a lot to do with safety. diving to the formation and not taking someone out in the process. being able to break off safely, and so on.
it's also a general sense that a record should be something hard to accomplish, not something any newbie can do.
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A week ago, I wouldn't have commented on the grid system.
You posting history here says otherwise. You have commented on it a great deal prior to a week ago.
read again, he was quoting some email that someone else sent. those aren't Spot's words. it's that other dude who sent the email...
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I honestly couldn't care what system we ultimately use to judge things, but I do feel VERY strongly about a small group of people pushing something forward that doesn't have the majority support of those of us taking part in the sport.
Also, we are of course very vocal on this forum, and I know there is only a minority of actual participants who actively take part in discussions, but I ask again, why is no one from the grid based system making their points here?
OK - a question and a comment.
Question: HOW do you plan to evaluate that a proposal has majority support?
Comment: I have made a serious suggestion in another thread on this open and widely read forum (623 views so far) for a different, quantitative and objective way of evaluating a 2-D wingsuit formation of any shape and design, I have given several examples, and asked for comments. So far only three people have made serious comments. Maybe the community really isn't interested.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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What does the number of jumps have to do with the quality of a skydive? Can you look at the Illinois formation and identify the low number participant?
it has a lot to do with safety. diving to the formation and not taking someone out in the process. being able to break off safely, and so on.
it's also a general sense that a record should be something hard to accomplish, not something any newbie can do.
All the low time folks were evaluated by Justin before being allowed on a bigger formation. I trust Justin's judgment.
Well, apparently that newbie was able to do a very nice job of flying in a 25 way that many experienced people on here have said was very pretty. How many experienced wingsuiters have flown in a 25-way that pretty?
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A week ago, I wouldn't have commented on the grid system.
You posting history here says otherwise. You have commented on it a great deal prior to a week ago.
read again, he was quoting some email that someone else sent. those aren't Spot's words. it's that other dude who sent the email...
Apologies, fixed that.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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QuoteQuestion: HOW do you plan to evaluate that a proposal has majority support?
By the one simple standard we should set: DOES IT WORK.
At the point where ANY system gives us a 100% failsafe result, in terms of YES/NO records.
At that point, no real critique should be possible anymore, with regards to improvements needed.
If we dont get to that stage, of a reasonably failsafe judgement method. Than why waste ANYONES time trying to get it accepted.
QuoteComment: I have made a serious suggestion in another thread on this open and widely read forum for a different, quantitative and objective way of evaluating a 2-D wingsuit formation of any shape and design, I have given several examples, and asked for comments. So far only three people have made serious comments. Maybe the community really isn't interested.
Unlike you, some people have other things to do. And I think you know quite well who and what that is.
Just like you wont be attending the proposed meet at flock and dock, maybe you're not interested?
That aside, I do see promise in what you designed, and (like I said before) after the FAI hoopla is over, and we are not screaming towards the edge of a cliff anymore in a car without brakes, (with your approval) I would gladly shoot you an email or (skype)call, and talk about setting this method of judging up in our software as well, so we can make it available to the whole community in easy accesable/quick way (if people dont like doing it by hand), and compare it with other methods (I had some more submitted by email as well).
If you could do me a favour, and shoot me a brief explanation of your method, in 'dumb people language' so I can also show part of it as the FAI as one of the methods proposed/in development, you'd do me a great favour
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'get something out there now, and fix it later' is an approach I hope no gear manufacturer wants to adopt.
The whole creation of 'camps' is nonsense, as EVERY proposal, once fully matured (the concept and people proposing it), STILL has a 100% chance at acceptance.
Just not this coming week, as that would be (blunt force trauma style) pushing one proposal through, by hiding its shortcomings and not looking beyond the horizon for better things.
Marylou (USPA FAI rep) called, and said she also wants to give the FAI a work scedule for a future proposition, instead of pushing for immidiate acceptance, which is what we intend to do and ask for. Certain people didnt agree, and as a result, wont be presenting.
Nothing but praise for the recent actions, allowing a more senseable work-scedule, instead of rushed and incomplete.
As long as the USPA is wrestling with the system, and forced to accept a 7 way formation over a valid 8 way record, it clearly shows the system needs more work.
There are several processes going on at the same time, and one seems to mix a lot of them up deliberately to discredit certain people, and tearing a community appart.
Whats the rush?
The lack of an official status didnt serm to give the 2008 bigway attempt ANY other status over the 2009 one. And if the 'official' tag (which the same group of people was offended by in 2008) is the thing thats worth ignoring and drnying a whole community input, and having a say in rules that affect us all (when it comes to FAI), than do your thing.
The lack of an official standard is not worth loosing friends, not smiling, not enjoying flying, donating to charity or organising events. If it is, re-evaluate why you're doing all this..
Dont stress and rush our one chance at recognition, by proposing a flawed/incomplete proposal.
Work as a community...with eachother instead of against..
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