dunderhead1 0 #1 January 19, 2008 Hi, Last year i owned and flew a S-fly expert ..great suit, easy to fly but i personally find it difficult to pull..some times i needed a few attempts to pull it(arched like a mother)..since my main goal with this suits was mountain flying i decided to sell it and keep it going with my track pants.. But i haven`t give up mountain flying yet.. i have looked at the Phantom, none of my friends are flying this one so i haven`t try it.. Has the Phantom an easier access to the pilotchute than the S-fly?? and is it easy to fly..? the armwings looks a little smaller on the Phantom.. thanks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #2 January 19, 2008 Base pouch??????????????? I don't think the phantom comes standard with this option ---- V1 & V2 have this standard The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dunderhead1 0 #3 January 19, 2008 i like to have my suit as simple as possible..i doubt i never would fly a Vampire or another one with large wings..so if i could avoid a pouch it would be the best.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr-B 0 #4 January 19, 2008 you can order phantom with base pouch more info on PF site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #5 January 19, 2008 Unfortunately I've never had the opportunity to fly an S-fly yet, but I can tell you that the wing of my Phantom has never even remotely interfered with pulling.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_Lewis 0 #6 January 19, 2008 Certainly no problem pulling other gay wingsuiters in the bar on Saturdays anyway! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #7 January 19, 2008 Gay? I prefer the term Equal Opportunities Pervert Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisgray 0 #8 January 20, 2008 The S-Fly Expert and even the Pro-Fly are not very difficult to shut down and reach the hackie. My SM1 is a great deal more suit to shut down and I find no issue with deployment on it either. Back when I was new to wingsuiting I found that if I rushed my deployment I would often miss the hackie. Try slowing your sequence down and insure that you have a good grip on it before you toss. Give it a try.WSI-6 / PFI-55 The Brothers Gray Wingsuit Academy http://www.myspace.com/cgwingsuitpilot http://www.myspace.com/thebrothersgray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #9 January 20, 2008 Quote Hi, Last year i owned and flew a S-fly expert ..great suit, easy to fly but i personally find it difficult to pull..some times i needed a few attempts to pull it(arched like a mother) Define difficult to pull: Was the suit inflating when you relaxed to pull and you could not reach the BOC because the entire rig was pushed off your body? If this was the case all you need was to keep the legstraps tight. The s-fly expert does not a have a wing that covers your hacky. More than 50% of the newer suits do indeed have much more wing material to interfere with direct hacky contact, not the expert. For the record the phantom with back vents pose a danger if a base pouch is installed as the mouth for the back leg inlet is directly in line with the opening for the pouch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dunderhead1 0 #10 January 21, 2008 i have no idea if the rig was "pushed off" my back....i owned a skyflyer3 before this s-fly, and with this suits i had no worries about pulling...but this was a beast to fly...the suit controlled my all the way hehe..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #11 January 21, 2008 I remember reserve pull on S-fly in 2006 in Gap. No possible to reach hockey in freefall, suit was too small. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #12 January 21, 2008 Ah !That reserve pull in Gap was a bit special knowing the pilot...I don't think it's a good example. Patrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dploi 0 #13 January 21, 2008 I would look into PF's forthcoming Shadow. I believe it's still on its way (correct, anyone?). Made specifically for terrain flying/BASE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dunderhead1 0 #14 January 21, 2008 ????okay.....that was new for me...heard any release date? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #15 January 22, 2008 Thats a good name for a terrain following suit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #16 January 22, 2008 So where would one look for information on the forthcoming PF Shadow? First I've heard of it.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #17 January 22, 2008 Come on Paul your more resourceful then that... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2953561;search_string=Shadow;#2953561 that should get you some info and a few pictures Scott "He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #18 January 22, 2008 Well I only looked at the PF website. The suit doesn't seem to me to have an advantage over the V-2, at least that was my impression after reading Hans' description of his experience with it. Stability seemed to be an issue with the Shadow. I'd say stability is a strong point of the V-2 although my experience isn't based on flying next to a rock wall. Since the Shadow project appears to be six months or more old without mention of it on PF's website it doesn't look like it will be available anytime soon. Then again the V-1 and V-2 were available before they were shown on the website, possibly to avoid production backups. BTW I'm not dissing PF here, actually I'm impressed at the ongoing development in wingsuits. As far as suitability for the original poster dunderhead1 the Shadow wouldn't fit the bill due to it's relatively large wings. Also I'd be afraid to fly wingsuit BASE without a leg pouch but that's just me. (the suit will apparently be available with one though)Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robibird 2 #19 January 22, 2008 The Shadow program is still on going thing were PF is working together with VKB gang. As the season in Norway last about two weeks of course I can't be faster. Each of the top flyers there has different model of the suit. Which suit is going to be THE ONE is about to see. Espen has the first model derivate of Phantom - he is very happy Problem w such suit is the testing. Speed and precision is the main thing. Without reference point test has no sense. After the '08 season , I will be loaded w sufficient information to know what to do. Hope that is enough info for now Robert Pecnik [email protected] www.phoenix-fly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dunderhead1 0 #20 January 23, 2008 hmmm, i think i rather prefer the Phantom instead of this shadow suit(too much wingarea)..and it looks like i could do running exits with it to.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #21 January 23, 2008 Quoteyou can order phantom with base pouch more info on PF site But you cannot get a back-vented Phantom with that option. Personally, I think a BASE pouch on a Phantom is a waste of money. The wings are positively never in the way at pull time on a Phantom. If the original poster is ever in Z-hills, he can try both suits. I have about seven Phantoms and three S-Fly's on the rack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dploi 0 #22 January 23, 2008 Except that he's wanting a BASE-specific suit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarthus 0 #23 January 24, 2008 QuoteExcept that he's wanting a BASE-specific suit. Get a Pro-FlyPatrick de Guillebon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vesatoro 0 #24 January 24, 2008 Only if someone wants a wingsuit with no decent pressurization in the wings :D Or at lest the attached photo looks like that... "Fear is the path to the Dark side" (Master Yoda) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
