Calvin19 0 #1 January 16, 2006 please specify eliptical, or other special things... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
980 0 #2 January 16, 2006 Nitro 120 at 1.67 lbs/sq ft, it's elliptical, but fairly docile for it's planform and size. I also have a special 9ft long bridle that has a kill line and base pc style attachment, used to attach a 28" Asylum AV pilotchute (with external handle). Occasionally I'll use my Blackjack260 at 0.76 lbs/sq ft, freepacked with a 32" PC, but since I seem to get to jump it enough off stuff, I don't bother to jump it out of planes very much anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #3 January 16, 2006 sam, i just got my blackjack 260, fine mesh slider. what do you do to the nose? cant wait to jump it, but i dont know how much the vents are going to slam me. (freepacked,34"pc, in a mirage container for wingsuit) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #4 January 16, 2006 Pilot 132 --- square, good wingsuit openings and flys straight with a few twists every now and then. It is in my dedicated wingsuit rig -- its been deployed at terminal like 4 times. The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyflyingbecca 0 #5 January 16, 2006 I've been jumping a semi-elliptical Hornet loaded at 1.3/1. I just ordered a large 7 cell F-111, so I'll get some slightly more practical canopy control practice. "I know it's friday night, but come on. Surely there's something better to do than yell at people on the internet?" - Tom A. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #6 January 16, 2006 Sabre 120 and Cobalt 120 at 1.6. One square and one elliptical. Two different critters, both have pros and cons. Decided after a couple tests not to use my Xaos-21 at about 2.0 Very interested in what others are using, thanks for the poll.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #7 January 16, 2006 Quotesam, i just got my blackjack 260, fine mesh slider. what do you do to the nose? cant wait to jump it, but i dont know how much the vents are going to slam me. (freepacked,34"pc, in a mirage container for wingsuit) Calvin, It will be a slam if you don't roll the nose. Like I found out on my first terminal jump(BlackJack 280) Tightly roll the three cells on each side and hide them behind the open center cell. If you search the BASE forum there is a post by Tom that explains this better. I jump a Sab2 170 currently but will be switching rigs to have a Black Jack 240 main. I don't jump enough here in the U.K, so need as much canopy time under the big 7 cells as possible. Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #8 January 16, 2006 For General - Stilleto 107 loaded to 1.80. For wingsuits Safire 109 loaded to 1.77, with 3m bridle, shrivel flap and 32 inch PC. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #9 January 16, 2006 E-mod Alpha 99 @ 1.76 but at times I whish I had a Spectre 120 with a mash slider...Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #10 January 16, 2006 BLACKJACK 260, .63 wl add: also use a dbag. I roll the nose (skydiving) at least to the A lines plus a bit, and roll the tail tight also... Even when using a finemesh slider openings are not harsh.Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
980 0 #11 January 16, 2006 hey Matt you might want to ask this question in the basezone, as you should get responses from people with lots of wingsuit jumps under vented canopies I'm not too knowledgable on slowing down/controlling terminal Blackjack openings, as I don't have even one basejump with a delay over 6 seconds yet and only about 5 terminal wingsuit skydives on my Blackjacks. Here is what I have heard from people who have taken them terminal more: - roll the nose: like Kris said, I think Tom A's standard nose treatment would work nice, 3 outer cells each side rolled back all the way to the line you would get if you extended the a-line past the attachment points, then tuck these rolls into the back/sides of your centre cell. I would think minimising the size of centre cell exposed would help too. I have a suspicion that bottom skin inlets make the canopy slow down less when you roll the nose, compared to non-vented canopies, so you want to play around with these things too: -slider control: both direct (tailgate stow on a centre c-line attachment point, take a bight of slider) and indirect slider control (primary stow) -slider type: for skydives, using a 'sail' slider is a good way to make the openings softer. I have several sliders I have used with my Blackjacks, the standard 'sail' slider, an old large mesh slider (more square) and the new fine mesh slider (more rectangular, this slider became standard along with the control line configuration change) and also a non-CR large mesh slider with different proportions to the Blackjack/Ace slider, but meant for the same size canopy. slider size and shape affects the opening as much as slider material, even though a larger slider (new CR fine mesh) would make you think slower openings, if it is quite wide and not too long, then it will allow more initial spanwise expansion, which exposes more nose and bottom skin inlets but it gets less 'drive' down the lines due to it's width (this affects the geometry of the lines/slider/canopy interaction). Based on minimal experience with them, I have found the new CR fine mesh slider to open FASTER than the old large mesh slider, even at wingsuit terminal. Bigger sliders do not neccesarily open slower, based on shape, they might open faster. -control line control: while I would NOT recommend this for basejumping (as a very experienced jumper I talked to about this does not believe anyone has enough experience with this method yet), using a tailgate (slider-up) to control your brakelines and centre C and D lines, is done to decrease the chance of line-overs, but it seems to slow down / soften the opening by staging the deployment more. Some folks use masking tape instead of a tailgate to achieve this control slider-up. This will have a tune-able effect based on the location of the control (how far from the c-line attachment points, down the lines) and the strength of it (how many wraps of masking tape, or wraps of elastic and type of elastic) -pilotchute type/size: speed of extraction, drag and stability are issues here. I do not understand all the interactions, but I have heard some people get better results (nicer openings) with a 36" or even 38" PC on wingsuit jumps, compared to a 32" PC. Try a few different sizes and types. so there you go, my long-winded thoughts on wingsuit terminal Blackjack skydive packing you may want to think about it before trying all the things I've listed, as I have been known to jump slider-up using a large mesh slider with a tailgate, direct slider control and indirect slider control why? because on a skydive you can afford to play around with packing and see what happens! have fun and let me know what you find out PS - it's very likely that how you deploy in a wingsuit will affect openings more than packing, i.e. Do you do the one handed throw out and keep flying maxed? Do you collapse all wings and build up vertical speed and bleed-off some horizontal speed? Or do you go from maxed flight into a flare type move to kill horizontal speed without building too much vertical speed just before pitching? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #12 January 16, 2006 QuotePilot 132 I've got the same on order. Am flying Spectre 170 now. Both work great, but I liked the Pilot slightly more after demoing it a lot.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #13 January 16, 2006 150 spectre 132 pilot need to play with both this season to figure out if i want to keep them both (including second rig) or get rid of one (container or rig). Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeetFlyer 0 #14 January 16, 2006 Vengeance 135. It has kind of funky openings, soft but with the occasional 360 turn before I can unzip. But I've gotten used to it. <> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #15 January 16, 2006 aye... sounds good. i have been using my dagger with the same nose treatment, and a large mesh slider, my goal is to get used to the slams for base wingsuit. so i am leaving the mesh slider on and freepacking it. thanks guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #16 January 16, 2006 Spectre 170/spectre 150JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eddytheeagle 0 #17 January 17, 2006 Stiletto 150 at 1.4:1.Don't underestimate your ability to screw up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hecy68 0 #18 January 17, 2006 iv done a shit load of skydives on my s3 with my flik 322 with vents .sail slider 36 pc roll the nose takes about 200ft to open nice and smooth i use the base pouch too. cheers mate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hecy68 0 #19 January 17, 2006 My first 2 wingsuit base openings slambed me a bit i saw stars briefly so i rolled the nose heaps direct slider small mesh , and droped my knees after i pitched and sort of sank into the opening if that makes sense any way that worked for me positive but not to hard .i have only done 7 wingsuit base and 5 with nice openings ...see ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #20 January 17, 2006 Nitron 98 -elliptical Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCARYPERRY 0 #21 January 17, 2006 Blade 78 spectre 97 Troll 180, non vented, d bagged unless going under 750ftOnly he can be happy,who can make his the present hour,for today he has lived Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #22 January 17, 2006 QuoteBlade 78 spectre 97 Troll 180, non vented, d bagged unless going under 750ft Why did you pick this altitude for D-baged packjob limit? just wondering, usualy my rule is 2000' for freepacked, and whether im wingsuiting or not. to me, a dbag is the scariest thing inthe world. and i would rather skip that step when pulling at 300' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #23 January 18, 2006 Is bumping illegal on this forum?Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #24 January 18, 2006 QuoteIs bumping illegal on this forum? It is only if you are doing it during a Buzz job without asking for permission beforehand...... Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #25 January 18, 2006 www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
