kallend 1,623 #1 December 2, 2005 After a couple of interesting (!) experiences I have decided that my Stiletto is not optimal for use with my wingsuit! I'm looking for a used canopy in the 135 - 150 range just for WS use. Any suggestions? Spectre, Sabre II, ????... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #2 December 2, 2005 My Spectre has worked fine for near 300 jumps. I have a Pilot coming in... I put some demo jumps on it and it ROCKED. We were video debriefing a flock, and after I broke off and was flying solo, the screen shook for a second and then it looked like I was still flying. Twenty seconds later (volume was muted), someone says "did you pull yet"? I wasn't even sure, but just then on the screen you saw me look up at a canopy to collapse my slider. If that didn't make sense - the opening was so damn smooth that watching the video you couldn't even tell it was an opening, without having the volume turned up! I demoed a Sabre2 and it seemed to take a bit more concentration to keep it out of twists (compared to what I'm used to - a forgiving Spectre) - but even with twists it flew great. With the Pilot you don't even have to think about body position. The few twists I got were untwisting themselves (fast) before I could touch the risers.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #3 December 2, 2005 I'm debating the same. My WS rig has an Alpha 99 and when things go wrong go wrong fast! I was thinking about a Spectre 120 with a mash slider...and then starting to pull lower...just to keep things interesting!Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #4 December 2, 2005 Optimal/safest: docile 7cell like Spectre, Triathlon etc 1 step above that, a square 9 cell (Sabre etc) And more fun: Sabre2, Safire 1/2, Pilot, Silhouette etc Diablos also makes nice WS canopies. My own WS canopy is a Spectre 135, I like it but I like the Pilot 124 much better, solid as hell for WS jumps. Safire2 119 was also quite good. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #5 December 3, 2005 Prof, Knowing that you enjoy your canopy flying, I think you will be happy with a 9 cell tapered canopy like the Sabre2, Pilot etc. Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #6 December 3, 2005 John Consider trying a Nitron/Nitro, and I know you'll love it for your wingsuit. The shorter lines and the HMA are great. I have 1000+ wingsuit openings on 108 and 98, only a few with line twists more then 180, and only one that I can say dove toward the ground with line twists. I have 0 cutaways with my wingsuit. Shit, did I just jinx myself? just my .02 Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beverly 1 #7 December 3, 2005 I jump a Pilot with my wingsuit, it is awesome. A little one (104), but it is great. I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #8 December 3, 2005 I love my Sabre 2 (about 200 wingsuit jumps on it now) but as someone else said you have to be careful with body position as it does tend to have a mind of it's own while opening. It is a fun canopy to fly and does tend to stay overhead and untwist on it's own when things don't go perfectly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #9 December 3, 2005 My weapon of choice for wingsuiting is my Sabre2 97. It does everything I need it to do and, plus, has a great swoop. If you are looking for a wingsuit-specific, safe, straight opening main but you don't want to spend a lot of money, you might want to just pick up a used original Sabre. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blair700 0 #10 December 4, 2005 Yo, I've tried Spectre, Sabre II, Vengence, Saffire...and some LARGE 7-cells, but for skydiving my wingsuits I prefer the PILOT over all others I've tried. The openings are why I went with it, but it also flies and lands great for me loaded at about 1.25 lbs/sq.foot. And because its a midrange 9-cell, it works well with other sub-disciplines I enjoy.....tracking, video, freefly etc. YMMV, Blair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martin245 0 #11 December 4, 2005 My Stiletto 107 rocks!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #12 December 5, 2005 QuoteConsider trying a Nitron/Nitro I was going to suggest the same thing. Chris put me on a Fusion and then on a 150 and a 135 Nitron and i fell in love with it. I found it tremendously stable for wing suiting, even though it's elliptical. Plus it's really fun to land Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #13 December 5, 2005 I'll be flying my suit with a spectre or a pilot loaded between 1.1 and 1.4 and both work well. 7 cells would be the best choice, but if you want a little more performance then a pilot (over a sabre2) would be a good choice. Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #14 December 5, 2005 Quote7 cells would be the best choice Why would you think that? Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hippydiver 0 #15 December 5, 2005 I'm very happy with my safire 1 in every aspect. I psycho pack it everytime and get beautiful openings almost always. The only time I've gotten bad line twists was with a toggle release on opening cause of a worn toggle keeper. It's a great beginner swooping canopy too.---------- gravity rat formula 109 Team Gonzo and Team Jamaican Me Crazy no bullshit, let's just fly, be safe, and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #16 December 5, 2005 Quote Why would you think that? opening characteristics - mainly the forgiveness of the canopy durning deployment with a poor body position. We know kallend has some trouble with that Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #17 December 5, 2005 Quoteopening characteristics - mainly the forgiveness of the canopy durning deployment with a poor body position. We know kallend has some trouble with that Openings are opening, 7 or 9 cell..... Canopy chioce and good packing techniques are always good, but there is no excuse for bad body position at pull time, and possibly the choice of wingsuit they have chosen is too much for the skydiver that is flying it. Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #18 December 5, 2005 QuoteQuote Why would you think that? opening characteristics - mainly the forgiveness of the canopy durning deployment with a poor body position. We know kallend has some trouble with that Dang - you found me out!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gusprovost 0 #19 December 6, 2005 opening characteristics - mainly the forgiveness of the canopy durning deployment with a poor body position. ---------------------------------------------------------- I agree... I got rid of my occasionally hard opening and erratic Sabre 190 and went to a Spectre 190.. nice, soft, onheading openings, even when I haven't bled off much forward speed... at the end of a w/s jump, the last things I want to be concerned with is canopy performance... just get me softly to the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blair700 0 #20 December 6, 2005 Quote... just get me softly to the ground. edited to add: So we can go fly AGAIN!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites whatever 0 #21 December 6, 2005 ever since I put my S3 on, I rarely leave the plane without it, so last year it was time for a new canopy and wingsuit compatibility was the main priority I tried as many suitable seeming canopies as I could get my hands on (liked a Spectre 135 a lot) and then went to Eloy for the holiday boogie and demo'd some more canopies... Nitro 135 - I liked it, but liked the 120 more. Nitro 120 - I liked this so much I bought it. Pilot 124 - maybe marginally nicer openings than the Nitro, but not nearly as fun to fly Safire2 129 - the demo canopy was pretty beat up and needed new lines, so no surprise I didn't like the way it flew or opened... my exit weight is 200 lbs I have been really happy with the Nitro 120 ( I have about 200 wingsuit jumps with it now). get Beezy to send you a demo or borrow one, you'll be glad you did! the only possible downside to the Nitro is that it is so forgiving while in linetwists, that it's made me kinda lazy/sloppy at pulltime, I just throw something out there and see what happens, sometimes I get a fun little ride, but they always work fine... PS - you get to make up all kinds of cool names for the winglets and what they do! soon to be gone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trae 1 #22 December 13, 2005 I've got a used ZP with experimental valves cut in the bottom going cheap. --------------- major bonus -------------it actually goes back up in high speed flight . I've also heard that if you cut the end cells off a stilleto the thing actually improves its opening performances. Let us know how it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #23 February 3, 2006 Anyone jumped a Triathlon with a WS? I can get a good deal on one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stratman05 0 #24 February 3, 2006 everyone can I've been told that they are good WS canopies as they are fairly docile. That's what I have and plan on using when I get to make my first jumps (and on). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KrisFlyZ 0 #25 February 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Why would you think that? opening characteristics - mainly the forgiveness of the canopy durning deployment with a poor body position. We know kallend has some trouble with that Dang - you found me out! What happened? Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
blair700 0 #20 December 6, 2005 Quote... just get me softly to the ground. edited to add: So we can go fly AGAIN!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites whatever 0 #21 December 6, 2005 ever since I put my S3 on, I rarely leave the plane without it, so last year it was time for a new canopy and wingsuit compatibility was the main priority I tried as many suitable seeming canopies as I could get my hands on (liked a Spectre 135 a lot) and then went to Eloy for the holiday boogie and demo'd some more canopies... Nitro 135 - I liked it, but liked the 120 more. Nitro 120 - I liked this so much I bought it. Pilot 124 - maybe marginally nicer openings than the Nitro, but not nearly as fun to fly Safire2 129 - the demo canopy was pretty beat up and needed new lines, so no surprise I didn't like the way it flew or opened... my exit weight is 200 lbs I have been really happy with the Nitro 120 ( I have about 200 wingsuit jumps with it now). get Beezy to send you a demo or borrow one, you'll be glad you did! the only possible downside to the Nitro is that it is so forgiving while in linetwists, that it's made me kinda lazy/sloppy at pulltime, I just throw something out there and see what happens, sometimes I get a fun little ride, but they always work fine... PS - you get to make up all kinds of cool names for the winglets and what they do! soon to be gone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trae 1 #22 December 13, 2005 I've got a used ZP with experimental valves cut in the bottom going cheap. --------------- major bonus -------------it actually goes back up in high speed flight . I've also heard that if you cut the end cells off a stilleto the thing actually improves its opening performances. Let us know how it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #23 February 3, 2006 Anyone jumped a Triathlon with a WS? I can get a good deal on one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stratman05 0 #24 February 3, 2006 everyone can I've been told that they are good WS canopies as they are fairly docile. That's what I have and plan on using when I get to make my first jumps (and on). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KrisFlyZ 0 #25 February 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Why would you think that? opening characteristics - mainly the forgiveness of the canopy durning deployment with a poor body position. We know kallend has some trouble with that Dang - you found me out! What happened? Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
whatever 0 #21 December 6, 2005 ever since I put my S3 on, I rarely leave the plane without it, so last year it was time for a new canopy and wingsuit compatibility was the main priority I tried as many suitable seeming canopies as I could get my hands on (liked a Spectre 135 a lot) and then went to Eloy for the holiday boogie and demo'd some more canopies... Nitro 135 - I liked it, but liked the 120 more. Nitro 120 - I liked this so much I bought it. Pilot 124 - maybe marginally nicer openings than the Nitro, but not nearly as fun to fly Safire2 129 - the demo canopy was pretty beat up and needed new lines, so no surprise I didn't like the way it flew or opened... my exit weight is 200 lbs I have been really happy with the Nitro 120 ( I have about 200 wingsuit jumps with it now). get Beezy to send you a demo or borrow one, you'll be glad you did! the only possible downside to the Nitro is that it is so forgiving while in linetwists, that it's made me kinda lazy/sloppy at pulltime, I just throw something out there and see what happens, sometimes I get a fun little ride, but they always work fine... PS - you get to make up all kinds of cool names for the winglets and what they do! soon to be gone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #22 December 13, 2005 I've got a used ZP with experimental valves cut in the bottom going cheap. --------------- major bonus -------------it actually goes back up in high speed flight . I've also heard that if you cut the end cells off a stilleto the thing actually improves its opening performances. Let us know how it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #23 February 3, 2006 Anyone jumped a Triathlon with a WS? I can get a good deal on one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stratman05 0 #24 February 3, 2006 everyone can I've been told that they are good WS canopies as they are fairly docile. That's what I have and plan on using when I get to make my first jumps (and on). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KrisFlyZ 0 #25 February 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Why would you think that? opening characteristics - mainly the forgiveness of the canopy durning deployment with a poor body position. We know kallend has some trouble with that Dang - you found me out! What happened? Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 1,623 #23 February 3, 2006 Anyone jumped a Triathlon with a WS? I can get a good deal on one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratman05 0 #24 February 3, 2006 everyone can I've been told that they are good WS canopies as they are fairly docile. That's what I have and plan on using when I get to make my first jumps (and on). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #25 February 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Why would you think that? opening characteristics - mainly the forgiveness of the canopy durning deployment with a poor body position. We know kallend has some trouble with that Dang - you found me out! What happened? Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
