Wingsuit instruction

[voodew1 0]

As per the 2005 USPA SIM:

C. Qualifications and preparation

Back to Section 6-9


1. Before attempting a wing-suit jump, a skydiver should:


a. have a minimum of 500 freefall skydives; or a minimum of 200 freefall skydives, made within the past 18 months, and receive one-on-one instruction from an experienced wing suit jumper

b. completely read and understand all documentation and training information provided with the wing suit

c. have the ability to perform exits and skydive in the deployment position described in this outline before making a jump with the wing suit

2. Training by an experienced wing-suit flyer should cover the following topics:


a. gear selection, especially canopy choice and the deployment device

b. rigging and wearing the wing suit

c. aircraft pilot briefing and skydiver heading awareness during wing-suit flights

d. aircraft exit techniques

e. basic flight techniques for wing-suit flights

f. deployment procedures

g. emergency procedures


Well it looks like the USPA has decided that us 'closet instructors' are good enough.

Now since the BMI rating is going to be worthless why doesn't Birdman post all of the information they think is needed so we can all benefit from it.

Sorry all of the scare tactics didn't work - as for the liability I assume 10 times the liability taking up an AFF student than I ever would teaching someone how to fly a wingsuit and telling them on the ground that I am not there to pull for them just to give hand signals if needed and feedback when we get down.

So I guess I will continue building my own fleet of demos and move forward helping others taste the flight of the wingsuit as per USPA recommendations.

Thanks to Tamer Baker for taking his own time to provide me my start, too bad he has left the sport to become a fighter pilot.

If anyone wants to educate themselves

http://uspa.org/publications/SIM/2005SIM/section6.htm#69

Remember before you instruct know all that you can and confirm it is correct before you pass it forward

voodew

The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

[LouDiamond 1]

>insert eye roll here< Dude you almost made me spit beer on the screen. Here's a FYI for you, BirdMan provided USPA with those recommendations about a year ago or so during the SIM update period. So despite what you may believe at this point, BirdMan is indeed trying to put more people in the sky albeit safely hence their providing USPA with those recommendations almost verbatim.


Personaly, I think it's great your investing in your own demo suits. Best of luck to you and as always, if you need anything feel free to e-mail me.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

[diablopilot 2]

You know I was gonna say something, but forget it, you're not even trying to see the big picture.

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[VectorBoy 0]

This is very interesting Jason,
The intersesting part was that I was just working on the draft in regards to the skills test portion for my new atmospheric dolphin -wingsuit division - award. And of course I'm going to trademark it.

[Deuce 1]

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Real Name: Jason Weisberg
Nick Name: voodew
Location: North America/United States/Texas
City: Round Rock
Interests: sport fucking--and skydiving
Email: [email protected]

Yeah, that interests section will really improve the general respect for wingsuit instruction.

A little unsolicited advice: being an avowed sportfucker will hurt you with the sincere that are in search of knowledge.

Argh. Didn't we just do this in another thread? I don't know any underqualifed folks who have Jari's (the BMCI) rating. I'm a very current AFF-I and Tandem-I, and a very current Birdman Suit-coach.

Argh. Argh. Argh.

[bodypilot1 0]

Exellent my Boy!

Now your seeing the "structured guidelines" I was talking about!



Be safe.
Ed

www.WestCoastWingsuits.com
www.PrecisionSkydiving.com

[Professor 0]

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>insert eye roll here< Dude you almost made me spit beer on the screen.

And you almost made me spit beer all over my screen. But, I'm glad to hear BM is in support of independent expansion.

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'closet instructors'

Closet something. On Your Knees, Bitch.


Voodew, I was about to get pissed at you for picking fights with the important people in the sport, but since none of them are ever going to be within 1000 miles of here, I got over it (expect Scott. Scott, you're still cool.)

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atmospheric dolphin -wingsuit division - award. And of course I'm going to trademark it.

and charge Huge Money(tm) for it, of course.

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sport ...

I didn't know being pussy whipped was a sport

Ted
Like a giddy school girl.

[voodew1 0]

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Yeah, that interests section will really improve the general respect for wingsuit instruction.

A little unsolicited advice: being an avowed sportfucker will hurt you with the sincere that are in search of knowledge.

There ya go Duecey try to taking something humorous and turn it into a slam -- way to go oh thats right once again another east or west coast jumper putting in their 2 cents. And by the way I changed parts of my interests just for you! Go back and look.

And since Duece for some reason has posted all of my information if anyone would like my phone number just ask I will make it public too. Duece why would you take that information and bring it to this post are you just having a hard time finding anything worth while?
Duece you have a nice day bro.

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And I never said that there was an underqualified BMCI or even BMI so get you facts straight.

What I said was unless they were going to make a lot of cash its not worth their time to help the expansion of wingsuit flight - with the exception of when they are around on other business.

The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

[VectorBoy 0]

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What I said was unless they were going to make a lot of cash its not worth their time to help the expansion of wingsuit flight - with the exception of when they are around on other business.

Jason BMIs don't do it for the cash..... they do it for the chicks and the patch. The patch helps get the chicks.

Atmospheric dolphine- wingsuit level six- three degree blackbelt. You too can learn my secrets, buy my video. Glen

[Deuce 1]

My man, before I reacted to your post, I clicked on your name to see what you posted as your bona-fides.

You drew a line in the sand with the BMI's and Birdman about how they have to publish thier information or be subject to increased liability.

If your efforts make the sport safer, great. You'll be more successful if you try and make friends along the way, though.

[VectorBoy 0]

I don't think you can say that on this forum........ about deuce not having a sense of humor I mean.

I wouldn't be out on a limb in saying that he does have a sense of humor.... and takes it less seriously than a lot of posters.

[bodypilot1 0]

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You too can learn my secrets, buy my video.

I'll be in Perris next week on friday through sunday, you gonna be around so I can buy that video?
And maybe do a few jumps?



Ed

www.WestCoastWingsuits.com
www.PrecisionSkydiving.com

[ManBird 0]

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Real Name: Jason Weisberg
Nick Name: voodew
Location: North America/United States/Texas
City: Round Rock
Interests: sport fucking--and skydiving
Email: [email protected]

Yeah, that interests section will really improve the general respect for wingsuit instruction.

A little unsolicited advice: being an avowed sportfucker will hurt you with the sincere that are in search of knowledge.

Argh. Didn't we just do this in another thread? I don't know any underqualifed folks who have Jari's (the BMCI) rating. I'm a very current AFF-I and Tandem-I, and a very current Birdman Suit-coach.

Argh. Argh. Argh.

Hey, I've even claimed to practice sport knife fucking. That aside... Why be so anti? It's one thing to act independently, but there's no reason to be against BMIs. For those of considering anti-BMIedness, focus your energy on perfecting your own program rather than point out flaws in ours. If you want to make a difference, do it with positive actions, not negative words.

"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯"

Click

[Deuce 1]

Yeah, I'm the paragon of seriousness.

No sense of humor at all.

Edit: Just about everybody I fly with is better than me. With maybe the exception of rodeos. I challenge anyone to take a novice on a BM rodeo.

To all: Increase the expertise of the sport. Increase my expertise. Please.

But let's do it in a positive way.

SoCal knows all about Matter suits. I know NOTHING about them, and I suspect that suits are as different as meat from cheese.

Let's just keep it all moving forward, safely, without being bitter about what the different camps are doing.

I have a BirdMan SF3 suit. I have not mastered it. When I do, I may move on to a Matter suit or whatever is cutting edge at that time. I hope that the masters of the different disciplines are cordial.

I am a master of the Glock pistol.

If I were to switch to a Smith and Wesson or back to a Sig, I know that those Masters would welcome me back.

And not spend inordinate amounts of time criticising the past.

[VectorBoy 0]

Why be so anti? It's one thing to act independently, but there's no reason to be against BMIs. For those of considering anti-BMIedness, focus your energy on perfecting your own program rather than point out flaws in ours. If you want to make a difference, do it with positive actions, not negative words.

[voodew1 0]

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You drew a line in the sand with the BMI's and Birdman about how they have to publish thier information or be subject to increased liability.

No line was ever drawn I simply said that Birdman should publish all the information as too their recommended training guide lines. There was never an increased liabilty issue, if you pull your head out and go and read, it was a decreased amount of liabilty for me to take up a first time wingsuit flyer vs. an AFF student where it is my job to safeguard thier life. Not so for wingsuit instruction.

Every BMCI/BMI and Florida/California wingsuit pilot wants to jump in here and say how great Birdman Inc. has been--look at the big picture the rest of the U.S. The rest of the U.S. gets no support try to get a BMI to a "smaller boogie(you know the ones with 2 otters and a tailgate or just a tailgate)" it is like pulling teeth - you ask birdman they send out an email to all BMI's - you get no response. Than you start to plan how your going to buy/beg and borrow suits since you can't get demo suits. Jumpers are lined up to take there first flight say 7 to be exact and say so on this web site. Than 12 days before the event you have spent at least $500 to pull off this event one of the BMIs decides hey I can make some money here and tries to shoot your ass out of the saddle and ask for money to get there food and lodging. Luckily the DZO already knew the time and money spent to pull off the event from my end and turned him down.
I am in the hole about $500 from the event and had the best wingsuit time of my life we taught / we flocked and we rocked. I was asked to publicly say I was not a BMI as to not mislead anyone to think I might know what I am doing. I charged my slot to do this (and execpted tips). Texas will soon have a decent sized hand full of wingsuit flyers and to all the BMIs who didn't want to come to Texas you missed out on 5 confirmed suit points and probably 2 more shortly-

Might I have an axe to grind *maybe* am I anti Birdman no, Birdman built the suit I fly, just wish they would like to expand from the coasts. Am I a little anti-BMI-money-hungry-set everything up for me and I will come if I have time--umm hell yes!! I was not able to accomdate all the people who wanted to fly a suit because I can't get demo suits and cannot afford to go out and buy a lot at one time, but I made lots of jumpers smile! I am sure that not all of the BMIs are able to travel but there are a few that do stuff like that every weekend, this is directed toward you.

So before all of you big giant east and west coast jumpers want to jump in here and add, look at the big picture(as someone asked me to do) the big picture is the rest of us poor non giant dz working stiffs who on the weekend go out and try to show new flyers and students what we love to do on the weekends.
As for you who make a living skydiving well good luck- I was smart enough to figure out what a bad idea that would be from jump AFF LVL 3.

The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

[LouDiamond 1]

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Than 12 days before the event you have spent at least $500 to pull off this event one of the BMIs decides hey I can make some money here and tries to shoot your ass out of the saddle and ask for money to get there food and lodging. Luckily the DZO already knew the time and money spent to pull off the event from my end and turned him down.

Jason you just can't let this die can you? I am not about to re-hash the whole AOT boogie thread but your second hand (mis)information again is making you look bad. Long story short, after all the heartaching in the AOT thread I drastically changed(read bent over backwards) my schedule to try and help you out. I told Todd that I was willing to come to the event and wouldn't require any meals or lodging as I could commute from my house to the event. I did ask if he would be willing to meet me half way on the airfare, which I figured to be about $100+/- for each party. He declined on meeting me half way on airfare at which point I said I would still come but since you had gone about buying suits he didn't want to undermind you by my being there. In lieu of all that had gone on, I offered a gift certificate to Todd to raffle off, which he gladly accepted. Not one week after the boogie I see this post in the forums from you:

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Wings discount cert 50% off

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I am looking for one of these 50% off gift cert. I have a 30% of of birdman tracking pants. I would like to trade or something like that.

So no one was looking to make some money or "shoot your ass out of the saddle". In fact, I was just trying to help you out. Now you have the audacity to continue spewing crap and look a gift horse in the mouth by trying to trade away a certificate meant for the boogie participants. Brother, you have some nerve.

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Am I a little anti-BMI-money-hungry-set everything up for me and I will come if I have time--umm hell yes!!

After all the explaining that was done and then you even offered to bring someone to your location at a break even. You contradict your own arguements and it is apparent you still just don't get it.


Let it go, the horse is dead.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

[Deuce 1]

From Voodew's information:

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sport fucking(this is a joke as I am happly married but Duece has no sense of humor and doesn't understand. Yes hes from California)--and skydiving

Cross the street if you see me.

You misspelled "Deuce"

[voodew1 0]

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So no one was looking to make some money or "shoot your ass out of the saddle". In fact, I was just trying to help you out. Now you have the audacity to continue spewing crap and look a gift horse in the mouth by trying to trade away a certificate meant for the boogie participants. Brother, you have some nerve.

Your mis information - I won the certifacte that I have never received fare and square by putting the $70 in raffle tickets which I had planned to put in the wings raffle(didn't have one this year) into the birdman 30% of tracking pants because it was the only thing I could possibly use and no one else other than Ted even dropped a ticket in the bucket so you should get over it. And why shouldn't I win it I'm not a BMI, I don't work for Birdman Inc.

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After all the explaining that was done and then you even offered to bring someone to your location at a break even. You contradict your own arguements and it is apparent you still just don't get it.

I knew that none of you would ever try to help out without making a profit, the writing was on the wall I just called you out. You still don't get what needs to be done and you and Chuck as the ambassadors to the wingsuit have a slight respondsibility to do your job.

And the horse is not dead as you wish. You talk and talk about how a BMI is like a tandem rating - well this weekend I would bet over a thousand tandem first jump student took to the air I would bet no more than 10 first time wingsuit pilots. The comparasion is not even close.

As for the AOT thing I did it this year I'll do it next year and probably will still pay Todd for all of my jumps(I didn't have to) as I do it for love not money***take lessons!

Until the tune changes the horse will continue to get up no matter how many time you try to kill it -

If it weren't for change we would all still be jumping rounds!

The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

[voodew1 0]

[leroydb 0]

no one word can explain all of this...

all I can say Is that I remember when SM1 took me up not only on my 1st BM dive (with a heads-up guy type ground school) but also when I got my SF3. He did this only for slot and beer.

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...

[LouDiamond 1]

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Your mis information - I won the certifacte that I have never received fare and square by putting the $70 in raffle tickets which I had planned to put in the wings raffle

NORMALLY, those actualy involved with an event and in this case,your involvement with organizing wingsuits, are not elgible for the prizes they are giving away. What I find really ironic about this is the fact that you would have several substantial gear discounts available to you(Wings included) if you were a BMI.

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I knew that none of you would ever try to help out without making a profit, the writing was on the wall I just called you out. You still don't get what needs to be done

If I wasn't slated to deploy, I probably would of taken you up on what you proposed.As for Chuck, I can't speak for him but I have my ideas what he'd tell you at this point. However, after your continued ranting I'm not so sure anyone would want to take you up on that or any offer as you just don't ever seem to be satisfied even when people go out of their way to help you.Texans have a saying for people like that and you've worked yourself into that category.


Hopefully one day the light will come on and you'll realize we're all on the same team here.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

[voodew1 0]

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as you just don't ever seem to be satisfied even when people go out of their way to help you.

Anyone that has ever done anything for me has always been thanked or compensated in some way shape or fashion -

You think you have done something for me? What come to my home DZ and make a few jumps with us poor Texas folks while you were in town- It was fun to jump with you but you didn't do shit for me!

Devon Shows taught me how to be an AFFI on his time at our DZ - he is an unselfish great ambassador for the sport - He gets my services for free at anytime (I am an A/C and heating tech)
he did something for me.

Birdman on the other hand hasn't done shit for me. They didn't give me a free suit or a free alti or a free container or any of the things you were given, I bought and paid for all of my gear. The BMI that taught me came to my house and taught me to fly a wingsuit, went home with the same amount of money in his pocket that he arrived with. Tamer my home is always open to you.

The rest of you who feel I owe you or that I should kiss your ass because you were in the right place at the right time in your skydiving need to get over yourselves, remember why you started to instruct in the first place and go back there!

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What I find really ironic about this is the fact that you would have several substantial gear discounts available to you(Wings included) if you were a BMI

its not all about money thats where your problems lie, its about bring more people to life!

If you haven't figured it out yet I don't care how you feel about me - I want you to understand how to make things better - quit being so damn defensive and listen - give a little more of yourself back and help more people taste flight.

You cannot tell me that after reading all of these posts you don't see any of the short comings that are being brought up - admit it and try to fix it thats why your one of the BMCIs - you have the power and the pull to talk to the ones in charge - use it!

I am a pro wingsuit/skydiving advocate not an anti- anything

To Deuce : I know I was harsh I take it back it seems that you actually get it:

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To all: Increase the expertise of the sport. Increase my expertise. Please.
But let's do it in a positive way.
Let's just keep it all moving forward, safely, without being bitter about what the different camps are doing.

The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

[LouDiamond 1]

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give a little more of yourself back and help more people taste flight.

>insert incredibly large eye roll here< Dude, you have no idea how much I or the other BMIs have given back to those wanting to fly. I and many others could list the many times we've given back but this is not about that. I will tell you outright that you are WAY off base with that statement. That's like saying Mother Theresa should of helped the poor people.

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You cannot tell me that after reading all of these posts you don't see any of the short comings that are being brought up - admit it and try to fix it

The only shortcoming I have been able to discern out of all of this is that you're still pissed because a BMI didn't go to the AOT boogie which was asked for on very short notice. As for putting more Birds up in Texas, I already told you I would do a Texas tour. As of right now I am planning on making SD Houston's big boogie next year sometime one of my places to go. You're more than welcome to come fly with me there but please leave the attitude at home, I will not tolerate this type of BS in person.

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You think you have done something for me?What come to my home DZ and make a few jumps with us poor Texas folks

Did you not read the part above about me changing my schedule and coming out there out of my own pocket to try and help you out? What's this about "poor Texas folks"? You forget I have a home there already? Give it a break, you've already achieved Drama queen status, you own the crown.


You obviouosly have an axe to grind so go right ahead and grind away till your hearts content. In the meantime, I will continue to put people in the sky and help those already in the sky get better. Again, best of luck to you with your demo fleet and if you have any questions or want to attend a BMI course feel free to ask, we'll be here.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

[leroydb 0]

dude, what I dont understand about this whole thread is, that even though you are "aka bashing" BMI's, people ARE seeming to want to help you. It seems you are just looking to argue. IMO, you might want to take your "wholier than thou" idealisms and place them elsewhere. (<---if i am mistaken, I am sorry)

I feel this forum is supposed to be for the overall furthering of our skydiving education. All the BMI's are doing is trying to futher our education in BM flying.

Note that the BMI's are not saying that they shoudl be the only WS instructors. And 99% of the WS-I's are not in it for the money. There really isn't that much in it, think about it. They are usually in it for the furthering and advancement of the General WS populace

Maybe some of this thread should have gone on in the back ground by PM or even a verbal telephone call.

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...