huffermoose 0 #26 January 16, 2003 all the quotes in here are very good but the one bit of advice that really has stuck in my mind is awareness of the people you are jumping with and also their abilities. things change in a jump and sometimes you have to work that into your plan. cya Allan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #27 January 16, 2003 Uhm if you might cork you have no business in groups larger than 2? And with an experienced partner at that, not an equally inexperienced one? I find FF groups seem much 'bigger' than FS groups, ie I´d jump an FS 8 way but no way am I jumping an FF 8 way. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #28 January 16, 2003 Here we go with a response given to me by the most experienced free-flier at my home DZ. 1) Establish a dive flow. Freeflying does not mean 'fuck off in the sky'. Dive flows make it more fun, but more importantly, it makes sure everyone is on the same page. Be sure to establish a dive flow that everyone can achieve or attempt safely. Be sure to address exit, breakoff, and speed changes. 2) If you are a newbie, openly and honestly asses your skills to be on that jump. If it is over your head, say so. Maybe an easier (safer) dive flow can be structured that allows you to join in. If not, jump by yourself to work on your skills, or work with a different jumper/group to establish a more-sane dive flow (for examples, we can have an afterhours chat some weekend with the freefliers ). Perfect example was my question to a jumer this weekend "Can you hold a sit the whole jump?". His first response was "Maybe". A Maybe is a NO. So, we restructured the diveflow so that if he wasn't with us, his jump was up and had to clear the airspace. That still had risks to it, but they were a bit less than if we blindly believed that everyone was at the same skill level. 2b) Stick to the diveflow. This is more and more important when jumping with people you havent jumped with before -- you don't know what they might do. 3) Exit - be realistic in your exit so that you give the best chance to the group for staying together. Put the low timers where the more experienced can see them. It is the experienced persons responsibility to avoid the low timer. (In Anne Timpany's and my collision, it was clearly my fault for aggresively shadowing her. She changed directions quickly and drastically, and I wasn't in the proper position/distance to avoid her) 4) Small groups. I can't stress this enough. I would assert that a bunch of lowtimers going out together is moronic. Not only is this a safety risk, but it is next to impossible to learn on these jumps ("Is he moving, or am I??"). Think back to the RW jumps described by Anne Melera and crew ("Hang on til it hurts".) Same issues. Because there is no reference, often people are trying compensating for each other, and it is difficult to determine what is going wrong. Best jumps are with someone (or two) more experienced freefliers. Let the others asses your skills. Heck, I jump with lowtimers a lot, working on specific dive flows to work on individual skills. Pretty much I am willing to jump with almost anyone if they ask -- even more so if they cover my slot! I have jumped with most of the freeflyers/upcoming freefliers -- if you ask my opinion about who should/could jump together, I will give you my honest assesment. 5) Situational awareness. You need to know (or have faith in your other jumpers) where people are. This allows you to keep yourself from getting in bad situations. This becomes more important as breakoff time comes. 6) Breakoff requires more time and more care. Speed changes can kill (or at least rupture your spleen). Situational awareness. Keep speed up, and slowly bleed it off into a track. Again, the smaller the group, the easier it is to know where everyone is. Breakoff high. it is a better margin for error in altitude awareness, and gives you more time to slow gently to pull altitude. 7) Flightline - I would say that if your freefly group is coming down through an RW group, or beat an RW group to the same opening location, then you are a jackass and need to have more separation between groups. If you have broken high, you should have a better margin for error if you do find the two groups getting close. 8) make sure you slow down before deploying. I think brad (?) broke several of his lines on his canopy because he didnt adequately slow down before dumping. Why stress your gear like that? 9) Always debrief. Suprisingly, I almost always do this. Mostly cuz I like to watch the video. :) But, it is a great tool for keeping each other safe. I know a lot of people listen in to my debriefs, and hopefully the drivel I spill helps them learn and stay safe. be honest in your assesment of what happened. 10) hmm..lets see what else.. as for high pullers, you need MUCH more separation between freefliers and bellyer (who are following). There is a visual representation of this somewhere on the web. If that doesnt scare you into lots of separation, then you are an idiot. -Doug"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites