virgin-burner 1 #1 March 5, 2012 not sure where this belongs, either here or safety and training, but anyway, here goes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsEI_6cErbM“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MorfiusX 0 #2 March 5, 2012 "7 Seconds is a Long Time" - Especially while base jumping, as some have found out... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #3 March 5, 2012 Quote "7 Seconds is a Long Time" - Especially while base jumping, as some have found out... everyone knows you cant basejump properly if you havent mounted a minimum of three gopros; just ask jeb! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #4 March 5, 2012 Some gopro cases are made stronger or weaker than others. I still think that some may never break off in time.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #5 March 5, 2012 since the vid seems to be sponsored by gopro, i'd reckon it's the "original" case!? or what are you suggesting!? as long as you havent bolted or screwed your gopro to your helmet, the adhesive tape mount thingy would probably work as your predetermined breaking point, no!?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #6 March 5, 2012 thanks for the video Chris. Good thing to forward it to the people who will be organizing safety days in Switzerland. Edited to add : will send the link to Stefan so that he forwards it to the people in charge of SafetyDays (and will mention where it came from) scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #7 March 5, 2012 Quotesince the vid seems to be sponsored by gopro, i'd reckon it's the "original" case!? or what are you suggesting!? as long as you havent bolted or screwed your gopro to your helmete, the adhesive tape mount thingy would probably work as your predetermined breaking point, no!? The adhesive tape is STRONG... much stronger than I would want to bet my life on it tearing in time."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #8 March 5, 2012 Quote Quote since the vid seems to be sponsored by gopro, i'd reckon it's the "original" case!? or what are you suggesting!? as long as you havent bolted or screwed your gopro to your helmet, the adhesive tape mount thingy would probably work as your predetermined breaking point, no!? The adhesive tape is STRONG... much stronger than I would want to bet my life on it tearing in time. that's why it's a smart idea to have a helmet with a cutaway-system installed. i didnt mean to say this would WORK as a breaking point. my comment was in regard to "different cases", which in my opinion will hold much stronger than any tape..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #9 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuotesince the vid seems to be sponsored by gopro, i'd reckon it's the "original" case!? or what are you suggesting!? as long as you havent bolted or screwed your gopro to your helmete, the adhesive tape mount thingy would probably work as your predetermined breaking point, no!? The adhesive tape is STRONG... much stronger than I would want to bet my life on it tearing in time.' I would agree with this assessment. Get a cutaway system and learn how having a camera on your head changes your EPs (it can, very much...)Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #10 March 5, 2012 does anybody know how much pull-force a "standard" PC creates at terminal!? plus/minus!? i know that question has a lot of variables like diameter, material, age, bla-bla-bla, but as a rule of thumb!? i kinda wonder how the dude managed to hold on to that thing for 7 seconds, because i have a faint memory of around 400lbs, dont think that is the case“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #11 March 5, 2012 if the line is wrapped around the case, I'd wager the plastic mount would break at terminal. If it's caught at the point where the adhesive meets the helmet (under the mount) it almost assuredly will not break off. Somewhere here on DZ.com is a photo of a fish scale with a line under the adhesive mount. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #12 March 5, 2012 uuuuhhhmm.. i dont know if i understand you correctly, what you say is that the tape will NEVER break!? does anybody jump those things without cutaways anyway!?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #13 March 5, 2012 Quotei kinda wonder how the dude managed to hold on to that thing for 7 seconds, because i have a faint memory of around 400lbs, dont think that is the case You can hang onto a PC for an entire jump. Back when there were more tubes around, someone figured that if you could handhold a tube, you could hang onto a PC 'just for fun'. We sewed a loop into the end of a couple old bridles and made a few jumps with everyone sit-flying while hanging one-handed off a PC . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #14 March 5, 2012 Quotedoes anybody know how much pull-force a "standard" PC creates at terminal!? plus/minus!? i know that question has a lot of variables like diameter, material, age, bla-bla-bla, but as a rule of thumb!? i kinda wonder how the dude managed to hold on to that thing for 7 seconds, because i have a faint memory of around 400lbs, dont think that is the case Not standard, but PC. I would think you should look at 32" at 10 seconds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #15 March 5, 2012 nice link; thanks! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #16 March 5, 2012 Quote uuuuhhhmm.. i dont know if i understand you correctly, what you say is that the tape will NEVER break!? does anybody jump those things without cutaways anyway!? In Engrish, "almost" doesn't mean "never" or "always" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #17 March 5, 2012 nothing to do with engrish or not, i dont have a gopro and dont like them much, it's hard for me to imagine that this tape is really that strong.. that's all. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #18 March 5, 2012 Quote nothing to do with engrish or not, i dont have a gopro and dont like them much, it's hard for me to imagine that this tape is really that strong.. that's all. I can't find the fishscale pix, but this is where the strength lies. There isn't enough "give" nor enough angle to get this to rip off easily. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=124299; The plastic mounts tear off easily. The platform/sticky tape...not so much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #19 March 5, 2012 havent there been any lawsuits yet!? probably just a matter of time until some douchebag will sue the shit out of gopro.. does anyone have sales-numbers of gopro!? there's this german tv-show doing all sorts of stuff, kinda like mythbusters, they seem to have an endless supply of gopro's.. and it airs every fucking day!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #20 March 6, 2012 Quotedoes anybody jump those things without cutaways anyway!? Yes they do and in fact we are seeing more and more set ups like this one attached. Too many people with no video experience strapping on shit like this and thinking it won't or can't happen to them. No way in hell I would want that stupid ass mount sticking up like that on even a FTP let alone this kind of fullface or other non cutaway system helmet. Just say'n..... Only a matter of time till someone goes in due to one of these kind of set ups IMHO.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #21 March 6, 2012 Quote Quote does anybody jump those things without cutaways anyway!? Yes they do and in fact we are seeing more and more set ups like this one attached. Too many people with no video experience strapping on shit like this and thinking it won't or can't happen to them. No way in hell I would want that stupid ass mount sticking up like that on even a FTP let alone this kind of fullface or other non cutaway system helmet. Just say'n..... Only a matter of time till someone goes in due to one of these kind of set ups IMHO. at least we'll have POV-footage of the impact! maybe them people should have a little chat with le fish about this; he's even got a t-shirt out of it!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #22 March 6, 2012 Quotemaybe them people should have a little chat with le fish about this The problem is you can't tell a moron they are a moron, they just don't get it and never will get it. There is a whole bunch of bounce bingo players these days who think it can't or won't happen to them, after all it's a small format camera and the tape will let loose or the plastic will bust off and free the entanglement. Then there is the asshats who think they can unsnap that kind of chin strap set up on those full face helmets while getting choked and having some shit try to rip their heads off @ 120mph. But yes not only should they talk to le old stinky fish, they should see his video and post about his encounter with the reaper.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #23 March 6, 2012 a lot of snaps cannot be opened while they're under load.. couple that with a half inflated wing (spinning) and you're in for a shitty day!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #24 March 6, 2012 A coincidence, even as you were writing this, had a student here in the room explaining why she needed a GoPro, and why it should be on the front of her helmet, and how she was "going to learn more" by having it. She has 50 jumps and isn't able to stay with anyone yet. I asked her how she was going to learn, and she was told by someone that she could film others and figure out her body position by filming others. Her next counter was that "I'll own a camera and helmet and others can film me." Her last comment was "why are you such a pessimist about me wearing a camera?" The concept of safety didn't begin to register, even after seeing the small format incidents thread. I'm not a pessimist who doesn't want you to wear a camera. I'm a realist who doesn't want you to wear a cast or a casket. So, as we're watching a video of her last jump, suddenly she flies fast into view. "So-and-so just got a new camera and he ran into me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 1 #25 March 6, 2012 Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
