flyinryan 0 #1 October 27, 2003 I just purchased a digital rebel and I noticed that it seemed to fire more slowly when my tounge switch was attached then when I just used the button on the cammera. The 4 shot burst is the same speed but it will take WAY longer to shot after that. I also noticed that if I fire off one pic it will take longer for the number in the view finder to go back up to four than when I just use the button on the body. What's up with that?BASE 853 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #2 October 28, 2003 I found that too, maybe something to ask the people at conceptus. When my tongueswitch is plugged in, it behaves as if you hold the shutter release in half way (to make the camera focus) This makes that the camera doesn't clear it's buffer untill it is full! It's probably something that can be fixed fairly easy, like cutting one of the wires in the tongue switch... Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #3 October 29, 2003 I just got a response from Ed from Conceptus, and this is what he sent me: QuoteI would suggest either seeing if there is a setting on the camera that will defeat the automatic image buffering function or using a switch with a 3-contact "stereo" plug. You can convert your switch by cutting off the plug and hooking up a 3-contact plug with the copper leads together and the (usually) white and red wires from the plug to the white wire in the tongue switch. I couldn't find a setting but, I asked him to send me a switch with a stereo plug that is already hooked up that way, I'll post results as soon as I receive it! Thanks, Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #4 October 30, 2003 I have the stereo plug already, and I haven't noticed the problem you're talking about. The camera is just slower then my D30 was, but not THAT slow after the first 4 pics. I have my camera at the DZ, I'll time it this weekend... ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psw097 0 #5 October 30, 2003 I noticed the same problem just before nationals. My 300D does not clear any buffer while the tongue switch is plugged in, after filled it is down to single shot and write to the CF card. I upgraded the firmware to 1.1.1 in hopes that would help, no chance. Looks like the soldering iron is coming out tonight. The tongue switch is completely hotglued into the helmet, great fun. While I'm cutting and hacking anyway I might work on converting the tongue to double switch like a Bite for AE / tongue for shutter - Don't know if that would be good or bad at this point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivejersey 0 #6 October 30, 2003 Does the same thing happen on bite switches or just tongue. I am ordering one soon and would like to aviod this problem if at all possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psw097 0 #7 October 30, 2003 I tried a bite switch also and yes, same problem. It appears to be related to the plug but until I get to test it or someone that knows for sure posts - I'm not 100% sure. Current theory: In a mono plug the contacts for AF/AE are closed and it stays in this mode. It looks like the software will not clear the buffer in this mode. A stereo plug would leave those open and depending on the wiring close the AF/AE switch and shutter at the same time, or never close the AF/AE switch only the shutter release. A 2 position switch would be the most elegent solution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #8 October 30, 2003 QuoteI have the stereo plug already, and I haven't noticed the problem you're talking about. The camera is just slower then my D30 was, but not THAT slow after the first 4 pics. I have my camera at the DZ, I'll time it this weekend... The camera doesn't really slow down untill about 10-12 pictures. I think there are multiple buffers in the camera, so it holds more pictures, it's just that the really fast bursts are maximized to 4. Thanks everyone for your feedback, it really does sound like the stereo plug is going to resolve this. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 October 30, 2003 Does switching the camera lens from autofocus to manual focus change anything? Have you tried it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #10 October 30, 2003 QuoteDoes switching the camera lens from autofocus to manual focus change anything? Have you tried it? Nope, doesn't change a thing. The behavior of the camera when the switch is plugged in is exactly the same as when you hold the shutter release in half way (normally used for autofocus) Changing the lens to MF doesn't change this behavior. I think it is a design decision to make the camera react faster or something, since it doesn't take pictures and write to the CF card at the same time. The minute you hold the shutter release halfway down, it stops writing to the CF card is what it looks like (at least the CF light goes out) Iwan Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psw097 0 #11 October 30, 2003 I tested the stereo plug at lunch - a lucent telephone headset just happen to have the mute button wired the same as the tongue switch but with a stereo plug - works perfect. It shoots like it would by just stabbing the shutter release and when I let off on the button it start to write to CF. Looks like soldering a stereo plug onto the tongue/bite switch is the answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #12 November 26, 2003 Just go the Rebel and plugged the bite switch that came with my RAWA helmet. I believe it is a stereo plug as I can use it to auto focus and take pictures. I haven't noticed a delay in taking pictures. I clicked off about 10 in a few seconds with no noticeable issues. It does take a bit longer if the flash has to cycle which is no big surprise."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #13 November 26, 2003 Key is that as soon as you stop taking pictures, the camera starts writing to the CF, even after only 1 shot. That was the problem with mine when I was not using the stereo plug. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitr8 0 #14 December 3, 2003 k here goes. I have a 300D and have had the same problem as you folks. I use TV - 350 and can only take one pic at a time, if I switch the switch to the little athlete dude, it fires away haply. Now I know jack about the bite switch and was wandering if someone can explain exactly what I should do. 1. Cut current switch off. 2. Put ??? colour ??? were 3. Put ??? colour ??? were 4. ?????????? Thanks for the help, --Waynei would change the world if only god gave me the source Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psw097 0 #15 December 3, 2003 It should work the same in Tv as it does in sports as long as continuous mode is set - in sports it defaults to continuous shooting in Tv you need to select it. As far as rewiring the switch I didn't make a wiring diagram and the colors can change depending on what you use for the stereo plug. I lopped off the tongue switch and a stereo plug and used my multi-meter to find the correct wires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitr8 0 #16 December 3, 2003 psw097, Thanks for the advice. I have just bought a stereo plug and will take pics and post them when its done and if it works :p --Waynei would change the world if only god gave me the source Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivejersey 0 #17 December 3, 2003 Do the switches from Conceptus fitted with the stereo plug avoid all these issues? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #18 December 3, 2003 QuoteDo the switches from Conceptus fitted with the stereo plug avoid all these issues? Yes it does, I have the switch with the stereo plug now and the problem is gone.. Sorry for not updating this thread. The one I have is an unmodified switch from Conceptus, they do make them with the stereo plug, and that fixes it all. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitr8 0 #19 December 3, 2003 Guys, Here goes, Instead of cutting my bite switch and hacking everything up I wanted to keep it simple. I went out to http://www.maplin.co.uk/ and bought a 2.5mm Stereo Socket (0.83p), 2.5mm Chassis Socket (0.41p) and half a meter of cable (0.30p) As you can see in the diagrams I soldered the red cable onto the outer of the Socket and the blue onto the inner. It all seams to work. Any problems, just shout. --Waynei would change the world if only god gave me the source Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #20 December 4, 2003 QuoteQuoteDo the switches from Conceptus fitted with the stereo plug avoid all these issues? Yes it does, I have the switch with the stereo plug now and the problem is gone.. Sorry for not updating this thread. The one I have is an unmodified switch from Conceptus, they do make them with the stereo plug, and that fixes it all. Iwan Yep. Never had a problem with my Conceptus stereo tongue switch. Took these pictures with it just this past weekend. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krishan 0 #21 December 12, 2003 Great pics ltdiver. What camera and lens are you using? I think it's pretty clear that the Stereo plug is the best option for overall performance. I just got my Digi Rebe, Stroboframe bracket and I'm going to get my tongue switch just in time for the holiday boogie. see all you crazy bastards there! Dont f#%k up...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #22 December 12, 2003 Krishan, it will be great to see you again. Really glad you're coming! JP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krishan 0 #23 December 12, 2003 and this year I"ll be there for 6 days instead of the regular 5. Cant wait. It'll be cool to see all the dz.commers again. let the good times FALL Dont f#%k up...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #24 December 13, 2003 QuoteGreat pics ltdiver. What camera and lens are you using? Thanks! I'm using the Canon 20mm lens for thos pictures. It beats the 'kit lens' all to hell. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krishan 0 #25 December 13, 2003 What problems have you found with the Kit Lens? Seems like it's plenty wide. Dont f#%k up...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
