ThomasHughes 0 #1 April 12, 2005 There is a new project coming out of Skydive Deland, Black Magick. Team Members are; Joey Jones (former Deland Majik), Thomas Hughes (British National Team, Arizona Blade), Juliana Se (Former Brazilian National Team-freefly, Participant of FS World record 300 & 357 way), and Joao Tambor (Former Brazilian National Champion-freefly and the driving force behind the development of Skydive University's back fly DVD) The skills acquired through our training and coaching at SkyVenture have been paramount in the creation of this team. People have been flying on their backs for years, and finally after seven years of training has a back flying formation skydiving team emerged. We have 31 jumps and about 3 hours of wind tunnel time and are completing 3 points (randoms only) in time. We are using regular competition Bootie suits and may decide to add a gripper on the bottom of the calf for easier cat grips. Sunpath has provided us with tunnel rigs (no canopies). As Far as freefall is concerned, besides paying more attention to how my pilot chute is packed, I am not modifying my rig at all. We have another 100+ jumps and 10 hours of tunnel planned. And have no idea of what is possible. At this point the thought of attempting block 22 is barely imaginable. Irrespective of how we are doing we will be competing at the June 18th FSL and the USPA Nationals. Check NSL News for upcoming video and we will do our best to answer any dropzone.com questions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #2 April 12, 2005 I think its great entertainment and a cool experiment. Will follow it closely. Best of luck to you, and have fun. (more or less guaranteed) _________________________________________________________ Your success and happiness, is in direct proportions to your commitment to excellence, regardless of your chosen field of endeavour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #3 April 12, 2005 How about a teaser vid?? You know, just to give a little taste As a side there have to be some people out here that remember the upside down meets at Star Idaho in the late 70's and early 80's... I was not there but know many that were...... Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #4 April 12, 2005 Thanks for the word Thomas. I think a lot of us knew Joey and Joao are on it. Thanks for filling in the blanks. WE have been playing with hybryd 4 way in the tunnel here at Perris. 6's, 17's and last week we managed a few 21's that didn't suck to bad. I can't wait to see how you guys over come a lot of the possible grip issues and the verticals. Good luck and be safe.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #5 April 12, 2005 Are you guys doing intermediate, advanced or open? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 April 12, 2005 Bet it's intermediate. If they are scoring 3's, and "can't even imagine" trying block 22 at this time, then it's going to be a fun learning curve. Why mess with the memories and mirrors at this stage? In any case, it would be fun to see some high level flying off belly but still in that format. Black Majik looks like it's all about good vibes and real talent. Can't wait to leech off of the happy that team will bring. So, who's building the bootie flying team? That is something I could see working a decent intermediate point average (somewhere between 6 and 10) in one season. (taking cats might need a revised gripping region definition) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #7 April 12, 2005 I imagined for a sec that a few years from now there will be back flying 4-way league with open and advanced teams doing mirrors and slot switches and pushing 20+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #8 April 12, 2005 Wow, are your booties completely on while back flying? Don't they tend to come off easier while you are on your back, or do you have elastic bands over your mid-shoe/bootie area, like the Bev suits? I look forward to hearing more about this as your team progresses! Good luck with all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #9 April 12, 2005 Very cool idea. It reminds me of a funneled meeker exit once upon a time... No one dropped grips and by the time it stabilized we were all on our backs. When can we see an X-ray of Ian's arm? Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpoften 0 #10 April 13, 2005 Very nice. What are you doing about exits and the lineup in the door?Spaceland Directe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lewmonst 0 #11 April 13, 2005 That's awesome. So can the camera flyer back fly also underneath, could make it look like belly flying? except for the sky . Now that would be fun, except that I couldn't do shadow puppets... peace lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpwme 0 #12 April 13, 2005 lew - I love that idea. Vid should be underneath and exit from the front of the door rather than the step. Thomas - Go HUGE. Can't wait to see the video on this one. Steve. GT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites videointhesky 0 #13 April 14, 2005 No Sky to High No Muff to Tough Star UpSide Down Meet I remember those days Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ThomasHughes 0 #14 April 14, 2005 Ok to answer a few questions: We are competing in Intermediate and will be a guest team due to 2 of the members competing at Gap in 2003 for another country. We would like to have the video on the bottom by the time we get to Nationals but right now it is hard for the video as we move around quite a lot. So right now they are on top. We started with just one exit, a mix between a 4 way train and a diamond, but are now evolving to launching pretty much all the exits. We are using the booties the same way that we use them on our belly's cupping and deflecting air. we dont have any extra straps to keep them on as they all fit very well. We all use different manufacturers for suits due to sponsorships outside of Black Magick. Hope this answers a few questions. There will be video within the next few days on Skyleague.com I will try to post when it is up. Thomas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites joeyjones 0 #15 April 15, 2005 The pool is not really suitable for bootie, sit, or head down orientations. Formations like D or block 16 pose serious problems in both execution and presentation for the judges. not saying it is impossible but there are some major hurdles to cross. Back in Black... jj out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #16 April 18, 2005 That f looks like a bitch!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #17 April 18, 2005 QuoteThat f looks like a bitch! The F is judgeable and the point and tail are cheating into the next point. High class stuff. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #18 April 18, 2005 Agreed. Still looks like a bitch.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 April 18, 2005 Yeah, but it's the only time I'll be able to say our team went up against a team with those names in competition (AA). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vibeke 0 #20 April 19, 2005 Are you deliberately using the term "only", instead of "first" Who says they wont do another meet in AA? _________________________________________________________ Your success and happiness, is in direct proportions to your commitment to excellence, regardless of your chosen field of endeavour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #21 April 19, 2005 QuoteAre you deliberately using the term "only", instead of "first" Who says they wont do another meet in AA? I mean "this season" ("only" opportunity) maybe there will be a concurrent meet weekend with my team. Or maybe nats if we go. But likely it will happen late in the season when they are averaging 10's (on their backs, with their eyes closed, with one hand tied up). I'm a very simple man and take hope where I can get it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites zeroleft 0 #22 April 19, 2005 QuoteHi Ju, its very cool to know. I wish you all the success in this new form of flying! When you come back to Brazil please, bring us all the information about thisRamela! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ThomasHughes 0 #23 May 17, 2005 Ok the first Video has just been uploaded at Skydivingmovies.com, Should be showing soon. Enjoy. More to come.... Thomas. 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Samurai136 0 #9 April 12, 2005 Very cool idea. It reminds me of a funneled meeker exit once upon a time... No one dropped grips and by the time it stabilized we were all on our backs. When can we see an X-ray of Ian's arm? Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpoften 0 #10 April 13, 2005 Very nice. What are you doing about exits and the lineup in the door?Spaceland Directe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #11 April 13, 2005 That's awesome. So can the camera flyer back fly also underneath, could make it look like belly flying? except for the sky . Now that would be fun, except that I couldn't do shadow puppets... peace lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpwme 0 #12 April 13, 2005 lew - I love that idea. Vid should be underneath and exit from the front of the door rather than the step. Thomas - Go HUGE. Can't wait to see the video on this one. Steve. GT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
videointhesky 0 #13 April 14, 2005 No Sky to High No Muff to Tough Star UpSide Down Meet I remember those days Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThomasHughes 0 #14 April 14, 2005 Ok to answer a few questions: We are competing in Intermediate and will be a guest team due to 2 of the members competing at Gap in 2003 for another country. We would like to have the video on the bottom by the time we get to Nationals but right now it is hard for the video as we move around quite a lot. So right now they are on top. We started with just one exit, a mix between a 4 way train and a diamond, but are now evolving to launching pretty much all the exits. We are using the booties the same way that we use them on our belly's cupping and deflecting air. we dont have any extra straps to keep them on as they all fit very well. We all use different manufacturers for suits due to sponsorships outside of Black Magick. Hope this answers a few questions. There will be video within the next few days on Skyleague.com I will try to post when it is up. Thomas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeyjones 0 #15 April 15, 2005 The pool is not really suitable for bootie, sit, or head down orientations. Formations like D or block 16 pose serious problems in both execution and presentation for the judges. not saying it is impossible but there are some major hurdles to cross. Back in Black... jj out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #16 April 18, 2005 That f looks like a bitch!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 April 18, 2005 QuoteThat f looks like a bitch! The F is judgeable and the point and tail are cheating into the next point. High class stuff. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #18 April 18, 2005 Agreed. Still looks like a bitch.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 April 18, 2005 Yeah, but it's the only time I'll be able to say our team went up against a team with those names in competition (AA). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #20 April 19, 2005 Are you deliberately using the term "only", instead of "first" Who says they wont do another meet in AA? _________________________________________________________ Your success and happiness, is in direct proportions to your commitment to excellence, regardless of your chosen field of endeavour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 April 19, 2005 QuoteAre you deliberately using the term "only", instead of "first" Who says they wont do another meet in AA? I mean "this season" ("only" opportunity) maybe there will be a concurrent meet weekend with my team. Or maybe nats if we go. But likely it will happen late in the season when they are averaging 10's (on their backs, with their eyes closed, with one hand tied up). I'm a very simple man and take hope where I can get it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeroleft 0 #22 April 19, 2005 QuoteHi Ju, its very cool to know. I wish you all the success in this new form of flying! When you come back to Brazil please, bring us all the information about thisRamela! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ThomasHughes 0 #23 May 17, 2005 Ok the first Video has just been uploaded at Skydivingmovies.com, Should be showing soon. Enjoy. More to come.... Thomas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ThomasHughes 0 #24 May 17, 2005 here is the link: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=2314 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vibeke 0 #25 May 17, 2005 Thomas - look at your PM _________________________________________________________ Your success and happiness, is in direct proportions to your commitment to excellence, regardless of your chosen field of endeavour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ThomasHughes 0 #23 May 17, 2005 Ok the first Video has just been uploaded at Skydivingmovies.com, Should be showing soon. Enjoy. More to come.... Thomas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThomasHughes 0 #24 May 17, 2005 here is the link: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=2314 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #25 May 17, 2005 Thomas - look at your PM _________________________________________________________ Your success and happiness, is in direct proportions to your commitment to excellence, regardless of your chosen field of endeavour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
