Sakeryzf 0 #1 January 27, 2014 OK so here she is ; This summer we’ve been experimenting with a brand new series of prototypes! We’ve nicknamed this version Petra Lite. She’s a 7-cell (21-chamber) crossbraced performance wing designed using Petra technology and shaping, and to date we’ve made several iterations. Standby for more news, photos and the normal carnage videos from our exciting new R&D project! Feel free to ask as many questions as you like! Cheers Chris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 137 #2 January 27, 2014 Very sexy. What kind of "target" jumpers are you aiming at with this canopy ? Dedicated but not competitor canopy pilots ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShayneH 0 #3 January 27, 2014 What benefit does the 7-cell platform offer over the 9-cell Petra in terms of performance? I know that most folks revert to JVX/Velo for accuracy runs in a comp. Is this one idea you have in mind for the petra-lite? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cs_troyk 0 #4 January 27, 2014 Is she full-sail? If so, does this mean your new supplier is producing colors other than just black and white? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #5 January 27, 2014 What makes it the 'lite' version of the Petra? Will you guys be putting up more of the test jumping videos? Those were awesome! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hckimball 0 #6 January 29, 2014 SakeryzfOK so here she is ; Feel free to ask as many questions as you like! Cheers Chris. feel free to ask questions, but were not gonna check back on the thread we started to answer any of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakeryzf 0 #7 January 29, 2014 Sorry i've been on a long haul flight back to NZ for the past two days! The 'Lite' version is targeted more at the everyday jumper who wants to have a ZP canopy he/she can use for pretty much everything, the focus was still on performance but also ease of use , she has a standard slider. Is only made from ZP ( which makes colour options better) and also easier for packing. She is also the ideal stepping stone from a JVX, flight wise she is very similar to Petra, steep dive and long recovery arc. It's still early days but we are confident that this canopy is going to be something very special. Chris[ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skow 6 #8 January 29, 2014 Sakeryzf he/she can use for pretty much everything, How about WS? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #9 January 29, 2014 Any canopy can be used for wingsuiting.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablo.Moreno 0 #10 January 29, 2014 Hey, if you are using a JVX or Velo for for wingsuit, I dont see any problems using this Petra-lite for wingsuit. You might want to get a full removal wingsuit system so the the wingsuit drag dont slow down your swoop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #11 January 30, 2014 Sakeryzf The 'Lite' version is targeted more at the everyday jumper who wants to have a ZP canopy he/she can use for pretty much everything, Quote She is also the ideal stepping stone from a JVX, flight wise she is very similar to Petra, steep dive and long recovery arc. Those two sound oxymoronic to me, Chris. An 'everyday canopy that can be used for everything' but also a step up from a JVX - a designed-to-be no shit swooping machine. Don't get me wrong, I like the JVX and love the GLX that was based on it- but they're not everyday canopies for typical jumpers. They're at the end of the spectrum as I see it. You're saying 'steep dive and long recovery' - the only discipline that I can think of in which those would be a bonus is dedicated swooping - certainly not everyday jumping. I know nothing about the canopy, but the way you're describing it sounds like the commercial version of Petra, where the little kinks have been ironed out. It sounds to me almost like the PD Peregrine but you've taken the opposite tack on marketing - saying it's a extreme do-everything machine for everyone. I'd love some clarification - who should buy the Petra Lite? Who's it aimed at and who shouldn't be buying it? Again - nothing personal in any of this. But to me looking objectively, the marketing seems too good to be true... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #12 January 30, 2014 SakeryzfSorry i've been on a long haul flight back to NZ for the past two days! The 'Lite' version is targeted more at the everyday jumper who wants to have a ZP canopy he/she can use for pretty much everything, the focus was still on performance but also ease of use , she has a standard slider. Is only made from ZP ( which makes colour options better) and also easier for packing. She is also the ideal stepping stone from a JVX, flight wise she is very similar to Petra, steep dive and long recovery arc. It's still early days but we are confident that this canopy is going to be something very special. Chris[ So if it's an everyday jumper's canopy, is it more like a JFX +/Plus/Turbo sort of thing?Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivingWombat 0 #13 January 30, 2014 Makes me wonder if PD announces a 7cell Peregrine-lite...by chance, just a couple of months later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #14 January 30, 2014 DivingWombat Makes me wonder if PD announces a 7cell Peregrine-lite...by chance, just a couple of months later You mean the Comp Velocity? You're a wee bit late there with your conspiracy theory!"The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokierower 0 #15 January 30, 2014 DocPop ***Makes me wonder if PD announces a 7cell Peregrine-lite...by chance, just a couple of months later You mean the Comp Velocity? You're a wee bit late there with your conspiracy theory! Where's a good tin foil hat when you need one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #16 January 30, 2014 .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doug_Davis 0 #17 January 30, 2014 yoink Those two sound oxymoronic to me, Chris. An 'everyday canopy that can be used for everything' but also a step up from a JVX - a designed-to-be no shit swooping machine. Agreed. From the description given it sounded like a competitor to a PD Storm, and since I was looking at buying a Storm I decided to see what a JVX is in comparison. From the website: "The JVX is the first competition swoop canopy designed for rear riser flight!" How is something which is a step up from that an everyday canopy? Unless you like taking a Formula 1 car to work and to get groceries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dqpacker 7 #18 January 30, 2014 Doug_Davis *** Those two sound oxymoronic to me, Chris. An 'everyday canopy that can be used for everything' but also a step up from a JVX - a designed-to-be no shit swooping machine. Agreed. From the description given it sounded like a competitor to a PD Storm, and since I was looking at buying a Storm I decided to see what a JVX is in comparison. From the website: "The JVX is the first competition swoop canopy designed for rear riser flight!" How is something which is a step up from that an everyday canopy? Unless you like taking a Formula 1 car to work and to get groceries. "She’s a 7-cell (21-chamber) crossbraced performance wing designed using Petra technology and shaping" Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjudd 0 #19 January 31, 2014 yoink *** The 'Lite' version is targeted more at the everyday jumper who wants to have a ZP canopy he/she can use for pretty much everything, Quote She is also the ideal stepping stone from a JVX, flight wise she is very similar to Petra, steep dive and long recovery arc. Quote Those two sound oxymoronic to me, Chris. An 'everyday canopy that can be used for everything' but also a step up from a JVX - a designed-to-be no shit swooping machine. Don't get me wrong, I like the JVX and love the GLX that was based on it- but they're not everyday canopies for typical jumpers. They're at the end of the spectrum as I see it. You're saying 'steep dive and long recovery' - the only discipline that I can think of in which those would be a bonus is dedicated swooping - certainly not everyday jumping. I know nothing about the canopy, but the way you're describing it sounds like the commercial version of Petra, where the little kinks have been ironed out. It sounds to me almost like the PD Peregrine but you've taken the opposite tack on marketing - saying it's a extreme do-everything machine for everyone. I'd love some clarification - who should buy the Petra Lite? Who's it aimed at and who shouldn't be buying it? Again - nothing personal in any of this. But to me looking objectively, the marketing seems too good to be true... Not to be rude but that was pretty straight forward, if you need more clarification then you shouldn't be inquiring. Its obviously not for the non experienced pilot with low jumps, cross brace experience prior most definitely will be necessary, ask anyone that has a petra/peregrine. Just like a velo/jvx/jfx, its a great everyday canopy for a experienced jumper that wants to still have some fun and get their swoop on at the end of the jump, without the opening and full rds a comp wing brings, it is just clearly the next better wing for that type of jumping in a ZP format Fyi the peregrine is subterminal only. And you sign a contract that you will not take it terminal, sell it etc for 4000 big ones :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #20 January 31, 2014 QuoteNot to be rude but that was pretty straight forward, if you need more clarification then you shouldn't be inquiring. Its obviously not for the non experienced pilot with low jumps, cross brace experience prior most definitely will be necessary, ask anyone that has a petra/peregrine. Just like a velo/jvx/jfx, its a great everyday canopy for a experienced jumper that wants to still have some fun and get their swoop on at the end of the jump, without the opening and full rds a comp wing brings, it is just clearly the next better wing for that type of jumping in a ZP format Fyi the peregrine is subterminal only. And you sign a contract that you will not take it terminal, sell it etc for 4000 big ones :) Nothing rude about it. I started to reply several times very similarly and my delivery wasn't so suttle. The OP could have interjected the word Swooper in his everyday comment for those that need their hand held, but non the less..... you either get or you don't, and the latter wont be picking one up at Walmart anytime soon . That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doug_Davis 0 #21 January 31, 2014 dqpacker ****** Those two sound oxymoronic to me, Chris. An 'everyday canopy that can be used for everything' but also a step up from a JVX - a designed-to-be no shit swooping machine. Agreed. From the description given it sounded like a competitor to a PD Storm, and since I was looking at buying a Storm I decided to see what a JVX is in comparison. From the website: "The JVX is the first competition swoop canopy designed for rear riser flight!" How is something which is a step up from that an everyday canopy? Unless you like taking a Formula 1 car to work and to get groceries. "She’s a 7-cell (21-chamber) crossbraced performance wing designed using Petra technology and shaping" Really? I claim newbie ignorance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt002 0 #22 January 31, 2014 This thread has made me laugh! I can't help picturing some dumbass looking up at his Petra lite for the first time wondering why it doesn't look like the PD storm he was expecting to see, and unstowing the brakes all feeling like being back in freefall. Most swoopers would describe anything that doesn't come made out of sail,without an RDS as standard and will lines thick enough not to snap when deployed after a 10second delay as being an every day canopy. Similarly most swoopers expect a swooping canopy to fly steep in full flight and dive easily with a long recovery arc, those that don't are toggle hooking a stiletto. If your not flying a cross brace, move on there's nothing to see for you here, this discussion is not for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivingWombat 0 #23 January 31, 2014 DocPop ***Makes me wonder if PD announces a 7cell Peregrine-lite...by chance, just a couple of months later You mean the Comp Velocity? You're a wee bit late there with your conspiracy theory! That has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory. Interesting that you think petra lite, designed for everyday use is on pair with a comp velocity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huckfinn 0 #24 January 31, 2014 If some of you actually make it out of the chair you're sitting in, and drive to the dz, you'll see people swooping, everyday..... Why is it so hard to believe that my 84, is my everyday canopy, That gets swooped every jump(almost). It said Petra lite, not student Petra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #25 January 31, 2014 matt002 If your (sic) not flying a cross brace, move on there's nothing to see for you here, this discussion is not for you. Why not? Some of us are not even slightly interested in swooping but are very interested in canopies. Sorry, "wings". Did I say that right? The grown up words are hard for me sometimes. This advertising campaign - sorry, "conversation"! - is just as much for us as it is for anyone else, since nobody can buy the thing yet anyway, and for all we know nobody ever will -- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites