countfunkular 0 #1 September 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDXatJk1sFc&feature=youtu.be just after pulling the dive loop you can see the front riser blow over my hand which locks my fingers into the dive loop, managed to release my fingers just in time but couldve been much worse. anybody had this happen before? any ideas how to prevent this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #2 September 21, 2012 I am no expert, but I would have thought pulling the riser down so far that it can do that is counter productive. You are distorting the wing so much it can't fly properly. Other than not pulling it so far down I don't know how stop it from happening. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #3 September 21, 2012 Quote any ideas how to prevent this?get rid of the loops and have blocks installedscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #4 September 21, 2012 Couple of things: 1) Yes I've seen this before. It happened years ago to Jay, my teammate, and it was sketchy. I would suggest bigger dive loops as a possible solution 2) I would STRONGLY encourage you to change your toggle grip. Keep the entire toggle over your hand in your palm, secured by 2 fingers (pinky and ring) when you pull the fronts. Your 3 finger toggle method seems to have a high probability of dropping a toggle. 3) Personally I don't like, or recommend blocks (Leverage reasons) 4) Nothing wrong with the amount you're pulling your fronts down. I pull mine down further Blues, Ian Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #5 September 21, 2012 Quote 2) I would STRONGLY encourage you to change your toggle grip. Keep the entire toggle over your hand in your palm, secured by 2 fingers (pinky and ring) when you pull the fronts. Your 3 finger toggle method seems to have a high probability of dropping a toggle. That was the thing that stood out to me, too. Sketchy."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EppyNephrine 0 #6 September 23, 2012 Watch how far this guy pulls down his fronts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erFa7sfimqs&feature=relmfu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #7 September 24, 2012 Thanks for the input Ian, would you please care to explain what it is you don't like with the blocks ? I personnally switched to them after having my altimeter stuck in the diveloop which scared the hell out of me. I also sometimes jump and use loops, but now I got the habit to grab higher than the loopsscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #8 September 24, 2012 Quote Nothing wrong with the amount you're pulling your fronts down. I pull mine down further Smile Of course, my mistake, I forgot the rules, power 1st Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raymod2 1 #9 September 24, 2012 Don't think of it as "pulling down your risers". Think of it as shifting your weight from your leg straps to the front risers. Once your entire body weight has been lifted off the leg straps you have already changed the flight configuration as much as possible. After that you are just changing your body position (ie. tucking into a ball). Regarding the OP, I have gotten a hand caught in my front riser dive loop but I didn't have video to determine the cause. It has only happened once that I can remember. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #10 September 25, 2012 Quotehow to prevent this? When you pull the riser straight down and end with your hand right next to your 3-ring, you allow for a ton of slack in your riser. Pull your riser down to a position a couple inches out front of your shoulder. That will limit the amount of slack you create under your dive loop, and with no slack to loop over your hand, you have no problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
countfunkular 0 #11 September 26, 2012 many thanks for the advice, iv now changed the way i hold the toggles as suggested and try to push the riser away from my chest to try and keep slack to a minimum. blue ones Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Idgy 0 #12 September 28, 2012 do you guys have a picture of the correct/best way to hold the toggles? I just want to be sure I am understanding how you mean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #13 September 28, 2012 Around the palm of the hand so that all the fingers can grip it. Sorry I don't have a pic available."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
